Overpopulation. We have created enough abundance to imagine feeding the whole world and we have ignored limits. The terrible reality is the more we feed people the more they reproduce, making the problems worse. We absolutely must recognize limits and adjust to living within those limits. — Athena
Just saying things are terrible and talking as though humans are basically awful creatures will not bring about the good. — Athena
The positive aspect of our dialogue is — Gnomon
By "denying the legitimacy" of metaphysics as a way to understand reality, you legislate away all of my arguments, instead of dealing with them. — Gnomon
We "dump all" woo-of-the-gaps "notions" like yours, Gnomon, into "the waste bin" of dognatic, New Age sophistry. Don't mind me, though, I'm just another one of those persistent gadflies buzzin' around this agora – swat me away if you can. :smirk: Btw, even an "anti-metaphysical prejudice", as you say, is a metaphysical position (such as my own speculations), just one which you don't like and/or can't comprehend.anti-metaphysical prejudice that dump all non-physical notions into the anti-science (religious) waste-bin. — Gnomon
Another of your nonsensical assumptions (i.e. "prejudices"). :lol:the physics [physical theories (propositions)] vs metaphysics [interpretations of physical theories (suppositions)] debate
Objecting to unsubstatiated interpretations, misstated facts and overall poor reasoning (despite your refusal to directly respond to / refute such objections), sir, is "dealing with them" – your so-called "arguments" – in a way more seriously than you apparently deserve.... you legislate away all of my arguments, instead of dealing with them.
Yes. Thanks for engaging in an extended dialogue, which is probably frustrating for you, due to the language barrier. The basic problem is that we assign different meanings to key words, such as "Emergent". For me that is a Holistic Philosophical concept, but apparently for you its a Reductive Scientific term, even though there is no physical evidence, only inferences & opinions. Also, "Deism" for me is a non-religious philosophical worldview; but for you there is no significant difference from "Theism". Hence, most of your "head-on" answers to my arguments have been off-target.I hope that your first quote above bears some useful fruit for both of us, as we both continue to seek truth.
I think I have faced your arguments head on and have not merely dismissed your speculations out of hand. — universeness
I don't think so.The notion of emergent phenomena is closely related to holism. Am I correct — Agent Smith
Yes. Thanks for engaging in an extended dialogue, which is probably frustrating for you, due to the language barrier. — Gnomon
The basic problem is that we assign different meanings to key words, such as "Emergent". For me that is a Holistic Philosophical concept, but apparently for you its a Reductive Scientific term, even though there is no physical evidence, only inferences & opinions. Also, "Deism" for me is a non-religious philosophical worldview; but for you there is no significant difference from "Theism". Hence, most of your "head-on" answers to my arguments have been off-target. — Gnomon
Your description of deism is simply wrong. You have no ability to usurp a well entrenched label for your own purposes without first gaining massive popular support to do so.The notion of emergent phenomena is closely related to holism. Am I correct? — Agent Smith
That's merely your hope. Many who pick themselves up from the canvas or from the floor, exclaim such as 'No, I slipped, honest, he never laid a glove on me man!' Other's will judge, and only if they can be bothered to.Hence, most of your "head-on" answers to my arguments have been off-target. — Gnomon
When I started engaging with ↪180 Proof, I soon felt like I was trapped in a Joe McCarthy "witch hunt" : Q. "are you now, or have you ever been a Communist (Theist ; pseudo-scientist) ; A. No sir, I'm a Socialist (Deist ; meta-physicalist) ; Q. "Same difference" (i.e. no difference). Consequently, anything I might say in my defense could serve as linguistic evidence against me. In my non-elite, common-sense, language, as for the ancient Greeks, Metaphysics (ideas, not things) is what philosophy is all about. It focuses, not on the furniture of the world, but on its design. — Gnomon
But in the 20th century, both Science & Philosophy, were forced to grapple with bizarre concepts that would have boggled the mind of Isaac Newton --- whose side passions, besides Astronomy & Mathematics, were Alchemy (pre-Chemistry) & biblical mysteries. — Gnomon
As I have stated to you a few times now, Philosophy is a welcome and useful practice, but any hypothesis it comes up with, will have to face empirical science, as it's final arbiter.Fortunately, Philosophy's only tool is the 6th sense of Reason, which is well-adapted to "see" whole Systems and non-physical Functions — Gnomon
Google reported the meaning as:petitio principii. — Agent Smith
Reconsider your position mon ami. — Agent Smith
We do exchange with each other and we have our agreements and disagreements but we have more common ground than divergence between us imo.180 Proof, consult him and you'll realize we're merely chasing after phantoms. — Agent Smith
No existent!
— universeness
God is ... — Agent Smith
God has .... would be better! — universeness
God is an aspect of emergence. — Agent Smith
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