I was not arguing for the real existence of what the concept is a concept of, I was arguing for the real existence of the concept. — MU
and the fact that it has been determined as necessary that an immaterial cause is required for material existence — MU
God is logically necessary, as the creator of material existence. — Metaphysician Undercover
Not to mention Immanuel Kant of course. Who destroyed the idea that you can reason your way to God. — Beebert
I don't see your point — Metaphysician Undercover
Why must there be God, instead of god, that created the world? — BlueBanana
Which god did you find through reason? You can as easily come up with a conclusion that God does not exist as that he does. Did you find the God of Abraham or the god of the philosophers? By the way, saying that God EXISTS is ridiculous. Everything that exists has a cause, in the sense that exist actually means out of becoming. Something that exists isn't, it becomes. Everything that is, doesn't exist. God IS, if one said that, I would perhaps say 'yes he probably is'. Did you reason your way to a being or a becoming? Nietzsche and Kant proved that reason isn't sufficient for proving any existence of God, god, or gods. — Beebert
The god of natural reason is a non-god, as Karl Barth said. — Beebert
Because "God" is the word used to refer to the creator, not "god", it's just a matter of proper English. — Metaphysician Undercover
If no, then one can not prove God by natural reason, that is, by thinking one self to some sort of proof of his existence just because man's logical mind and reason says he exists. — Beebert
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