• Fooloso4
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    The "they" he was speaking of were his political opponents, for instance "Biden and the lunatic left" and "the radical left democrats".NOS4A2

    Well, you may wish to "endow" his words with that meaning. Although given all that you have said about words, if you are not being hypocritical, it raises the question of why you would even bother to attempt damage control. After all what he says are just words.

    When he says:

    They’ve poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world they’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world they’re pouring into our country

    it is clear that he is not talking about Biden or Trump's political opponents. Neither Biden or Trump's political opponents are pouring into our country, coming from Africa or Asia.

    He falls in love with, marries, and has children with immigrants, so the notion that Trump is implying immigrants qua immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation is just plain stupid.NOS4A2

    No. What is stupid is your attempt to change what he said and argue that because he has a white trophy wife he is not saying what is saying. Note that Slovenia is not Africa or Asia or any of the "shithole countries" he refers to.

    In typical fashion he oversteps and overstates. In this way he gets the support of white supremacists but can, and most likely will, deny he said what he said or mean what he said. He might even trot out Melania as evidence that he is not anti-immigration. She might even be coerced to make a public appearance and display her tortured smile before once again retreating from him.
  • RogueAI
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    I agree with that.
  • NOS4A2
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    it is clear that he is not talking about Biden or Trump's political opponents. Neither Biden or Trump's political opponents are pouring into our country, coming from Africa or Asia.

    As usual, all I have to do is take a gander and look at the context you suspiciously leave out, every single time. He's speaking about more than one "they" and you've simply pretended he is speaking about one.

    "We've got a lot of work to do. You know when they let—I think the real number is 15/16 million people into our country—when they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They're poisoning the blood of our country, that's what they've done. They've poisoned—mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world they’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world they’re pouring into our country"

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?532231-1/president-trump-holds-rally-durham-hampshire

    No, immigrants are not letting in immigrants.

    As for the second "they", the group who is coming into the country illegally, through sophistry and lies you pretend the he is speaking about are immigrants here, not the illegals.
  • Fooloso4
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    As usual, all I have to do is take a gander and look at the context you suspiciously leave out, every single time. He's speaking about more than one "they" and you've simply pretended he is speaking about one.NOS4A2

    It is the immigrants who are poison, not those who let them in. If the immigrants were not poison letting them in would not poison our blood.

    On Truth Social he says "illegal immigrants". At the rally he says immigrants not illegal immigrants. This is exactly what I said he would do:

    In this way he gets the support of white supremacists but can, and most likely will, deny he said what he said or mean what he said.Fooloso4
  • Michael
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    Trump supporters don't seem ... cognizantGRWelsh

    :up:
  • Michael
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    The "they" he was speaking of were his political opponents, for instance "Biden and the lunatic left" and "the radical left democrats". He was saying they were poisoning the blood of the countryNOS4A2

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111593149429973351

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION. THEY’RE COMING FROM PRISONS, FROM MENTAL INSTITUTIONS — FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • NOS4A2
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    Your misrepresentations are the direct reason white spremacists are emboldened and think Trump is their guy. This has been confirmed by a member here who told me his cousins believed the “many sides” hoax, that he never condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis,m. They believed the lie as it was told and amplified by anti-Trump propaganda. No doubt the entire scam regarding Trump’s racism or fascism has fueled more racism and fascism than anything Trump has ever done or said.
  • Michael
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    And his Truth Social post reaffirmed what he was saying earlier at the rally; that illegal immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation"
  • NOS4A2
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    But the article said he was talking about immigrants, not illegal ones.
  • Michael
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    But the article said he was talking about immigrants, not illegal ones.NOS4A2

    And you said he was talking about Biden.

    At least the article was closer to the mark.
  • NOS4A2
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    He was talking about Biden and his croneys. They are the direct cause of illegal immigration.
  • Michael
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    He was talking about Biden and his croneys. They are the direct cause of illegal immigration.NOS4A2

    He was talking about illegal immigrants. His Truth Social post makes that clear. You are misinterpreting his words at the rally.
  • NOS4A2
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    That’s false. His speech makes that clear.

    We've got a lot of work to do. You know when they let—I think the real number is 15/16 million people into our country—when they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They're poisoning the blood of our country, that's what they've done. They've poisoned—mental institutions and prisons all over the world, not just in South America, not just the three or four countries that we think about, but all over the world they’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, all over the world they’re pouring into our country"

    Illegal immigration is a process, an act, not a group of people.
  • Michael
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    Illegal immigration is a process, an act, not a group of people.NOS4A2

    It's an act done by a group of people.
  • NOS4A2
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    “ You know when they let—I think the real number is 15/16 million people into our country—when they do that, we got a lot of work to do. They're poisoning the blood of our country, that's what they've done.”

    Are you saying that illegal immigrants have let people into the country?
  • Michael
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    Are you saying that illegal immigrants have let people into the country?NOS4A2

    I'm saying that Trump said "ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION".

    Illegal immigration is "the migration of people into a country in violation of that country's immigration laws".

    Therefore, Trump was saying that the migration of people into the U.S. in violation of U.S. immigration laws is poisoning the blood of the U.S.
  • NOS4A2
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    That’s true. The democrats refusing to enforce the laws of the country is poisoning the blood of the country. That’s what they’ve done.
  • Michael
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    The democrats refusing to enforce the laws of the country is poisoning the blood of the country. That’s what they’ve done.NOS4A2

    At best you can say that they're allowing the country to be poisoned, but the poison itself, according to Trump, is the illegal immigrants.

    He has a problem with the foreign nationals who are coming into the country (illegally).
  • jgill
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    Oh, man. If Trump would just employ the mechanism most of us have that mediates between what pops into consciousness and what comes out of our mouths . . .

    What a choice upcoming. I cannot forgive Biden for ignoring the border crises.
  • NOS4A2
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    At best you can say that they're allowing the country to be poisoned, but the poison itself, according to Trump, is the illegal immigrants.

    That is indeed all I'm saying. They (the politicians) are poisoning the country. Given the corrosive effects of crime, the metaphor is quite apt otherwise.
  • RogueAI
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    That is indeed all I'm saying. They (the politicians) are poisoning the country. Given the corrosive effects of crime, the metaphor is quite apt otherwise.NOS4A2

    This is beneath you. You know Trump is talking about immigrants when he uses words like "vermin" and "poisoning the blood of the country". And you also know what other famous fascist leader has used language like this. I think that if Trump actually said "subhuman" you would defend him. Maybe even if he said untermensch.
  • AmadeusD
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    That is indeed all I'm saying. They (the politicians) are poisoning the country. Given the corrosive effects of crime, the metaphor is quite apt otherwise.NOS4A2

    It's not, if we're to take your immediate next phrase seriously. Politicians are allowing is not the same as simply Politicians are doing something.
  • NOS4A2
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    This is beneath you. You know Trump is talking about immigrants when he uses words like "vermin" and "poisoning the blood of the country". And you also know what other famous fascist leader has used language like this. I think that if Trump actually said "subhuman" you would defend him. Maybe even if he said untermensch.

    The vermin term was used in reference to communists and fascists.. I can’t think of a better term, myself. But yeah, illegal immigration is a big problem, like poison.
  • Mikie
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    “Poisoning the blood.”

    Yeah, nothing racist here guys. Just more liberal media putting Hitler’s rhetoric into his mouth.

    Oh wait…he actually said that.
  • Fooloso4
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    Your misrepresentations are the direct reason white spremacists are emboldened and think Trump is their guy. This has been confirmed by a member here who told me his cousins ...NOS4A2

    So, some unnamed member told you that his cousin believed something. Well that settles it.

    Funny how you go to such lengths to defend Trump. On the one hand pretending that words have no force, and on the other pretending he does not say what he says. Why? Because words do matter.
  • Paine
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    Donald Trump is barred from Colorado’s 2024 primary ballot, the state Supreme Court rules.

    That should give the Supreme Court something to look forward to.
  • Wayfarer
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    TRUMP DECLARED INELIGIBLE ON COLORADO BALLOT UNDER SECTION 14 OF THE CONSTITUTION

    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/colorado-trump-14th-amendment-12-19-23/index.html

    This is huge. Yes, Trump can appeal, but if the decision is under appeal in the Supreme Court, how many States will admit him on the Ballot, with a decision pending.
  • NOS4A2
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    I love it, personally. The more they expose themselves as an anti-democratic force the better.
  • Wayfarer
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    They're not anti-democratic. They just love the irony.
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