@Jack Cummins

When you play sport or dance or do something very physical you realise that to think the mind is the brain or purely in your head is nonsense.

@dimosthenis9

Academic logic is not the same as intelligence.

Nor does being good at logic make you a decent person.

People are driven by desire and emotion not logic.

It's a great myth that people use logic to conduct themselves.

And its a great myth that academic logic is some kind of cure for everything.

@180 Proof
Your silent about god because you believe in an apophatic version or because you don't believe in the possibility of God?

@Banno
You mean you don't like it up ya!

If you don't like it,don't give it out.

And do be a bit more honest man. We are after all talking about truth. Truth is not your agenda or personal dogma.

@Banno

Bingo bingo! Shocker!

Unmediated means unmediated.

What a sneaky method of time wasting,obfuscating and meandering to suit your debate/monologue.

We know your game,and it ain't fair dinkum moite!

@Banno
And it takes 27 pages to explain one word!
Go engage with Cheshire.

You know he might be using unmediated in a normal way.
As you well know what he implied anyway.

@Banno
Nonsense! Could it be that unmediated shows Cheshire correct.

You sneaky man!

@Banno

If you know you can just tell us rather than ducking what Cheshire said.

@Banno
So what does Davidson mean by unmediated?

@Pantagruel
Lol!
The psychologist in me says it's "hate that is blind"!

I've have never yet encountered an atheist who did not treat atheism like a substitute religion, which is the ultimate irony, as I said. Yes, my comment was tongue in cheek. There may well be philosophically sincere atheists, and, if so, they probably do get drowned out by the noisy and offensive ones. If that's you, then I sincerely apologize. As I mentioned, I do think this tends to be more of a social than a philosophical issue.

This comment of yours @Pantagruel should framed on the front of the website!

How do overzealous atheists not see their dawkinsism is just a secular religious substitute!?

For centuries these have left US out of the picture , as if our relation to experience was not necessary to the facts of the world

Yes indeed @Joshs. This is true. Though people outside academia didn't fall for the pure rationality nonsense.

Only philosophers,scientists and the bourgeois.

@Joshs

Yep. That's my personal experience.

I'm combining Kelly and gendlin in my above post.

If we threw in some freud, William James and Zen the circle would be complete!

If you are into those two thinkers why even bother with the vast majority of continental thinkers? The ideas of those two if refined with some freud are sufficient.— Protagoras


I have always said the ultimate test of any philosophy is how well it serves as a psychotherapy. What can it tell us about ourselves and others that rival psychotherapies miss?

Agree in general wholeheartedly.

Now you see my beef with science and philosophy!?
@Joshs

@Joshs
Excellent stuff. Much appreciated.

Would you say there are people whose superordinate system rather than triggering negative emotions when in new unknown experiences or territory "Focus" hard and actually thrive joyfully in spite of the unknown?

Because thats a lot of my experience.

@Cheshire
I agree.
In which ways do you feel the experience is misunderstood.

@Joshs

Just read the wiki on Kelly.

Superb psychological insights.

If you are into those two thinkers why even bother with the vast majority of continental thinkers? The ideas of those two if refined with some freud are sufficient.

It's also very instructive that those two and freud were all Practical therapists and not just writers or academics.

Further,the parallels with gendlin and yoga,zen and meditation are very instructive.

My philosophy in a nutshell. Focus on everyday tasks in a competitive non discursive way to elicit progress and growth. This from instinct and life experience,not books.

I'm always said sport is a microcosm of life and better than any philosophy.

@Cheshire

I say the mind is not the material brain.

So you are saying God is a legitimate experience?

@Joshs
Thank you. I just read the wiki article on Gendlin.

It's quite amazing how close in some respects it is to my philosophy especially the part about Focusing.

Tremendous!

So now George Kelly if you would!

@Joshs
Both those sound right up my Street!

I will look them both up.

If you give a little synopsis of what you think are some of their salient ideas,then we can have a good discussion.

See now,this is very interesting.

@Cheshire

Why do you say the physical brain is the mind?

Have you ever thought that what some people call God is a personal experience not from a book or just a story?

@Joshs

In honesty I don't mind if someone disagrees with me,it's the manner in which they post that can be the issue at times.

I'm very confident and certain in what I do know,so nobody is going to upset me on that score.

I'm not a fan of xtrix and definately not streetlight! Anthony Nickles I will have a look.

When I say a critique of rationality I'm talking foucault level of saying science is just control. However,I don't go foucault level of subjectivity being constructed purely by culture etc,nor do I say religious experience is invalid.

My critique is psychological,and with this everyone's philosophy is an expression of their biography,just like nietzsche alludes to.

Academic logic is just control in platonist style,with large chunks of aristotle.

@Joshs
Your talk about vulnerable and alienation is just your defensiveness.

Your "psychoanalysis" is born from the same.

Yes,the last point is interesting. We could have a good discussion. But if you want that,then talk in your own words,not just quoting others.

I like discourse with you on some level because you actually acknowledge intuition and a critique of enlightment "rationality",which is very rare on this forum.

We can start afresh,but i want your views,not scholar X on scholar Y.

@Cheshire
OK. Is the superego not part of the psyche?

And is the superego in the physical brain?

Can not the superego be mistaken for the storybook of science?

180 with his text formatted nonsense and insecurity!

@praxis
Well,its not on display here.

@Cheshire
Reword please.

180 with his ethics again!

@praxis
If your contrary to everything you stand for nothing.

@Cheshire
It's not coherent at all.

Notions are an expression of yourself.

Your self is not the matter of the brain,any more than your arm is your whole self.

@Gregory
I'm being sarcastic greg!
Belief and knowledge are located in the brain!

@praxis
So what's his problem here then?

@T Clark
I don't need a wager to know you are a conformist.

@Cheshire
If the notion of God is the experience of ones frontal lobe,Is the notion of atheism an experience of one's cerebellum,and maybe agnosticism is the experience of the exact median point of the brain!!!?

@T Clark
Try reading what I wrote.

It's the way you treat people in everyday life that expresses your character.

And if as a mod you can't be just, then sorry I can't take your talk about human rights seriously.

Nor your talk Mr Clark about "courage".

How many people have been reinstated or the mods admitted a mistake over the years? One I believe.

So you either believe the mods are near infallible or that they don't listen or care for any objections...

And the mods favorite method of disingenousness and near gaslighting. Tell the poster objecting they haven't raised any valid objections,then ignore any further discussion.

Transparency and accountability my ass.

And yet they preach about politics and human rights!

@praxis
We can both agree on that!

@praxis
We can think all sorts of things but your particular thoughts are valid?
Read my previous reply.

The excuses some make!

Is it possible the mods are woefully biased? Is that a valid thought?

@T clark
As I said,the way you talk here expresses your personality.

You can talk about real all you want. I don't see much from you apart from abstract talk.

The fact you talk about martyrs expresses you know little about principles.

Me thinks you have watched too many dramatic films.

Courage is in everyday things,and being consistent in those things.

@praxis
Most likely.

But your possibility doesn't fit.

Why shouldn't one stand their ground if they know they are being wronged?