are just media through which information is pushed under the influence of voltage and program. — Cartuna

same with the brain

signal input from outside. — T Clark

outside? you cant see outside your consciousness. see solipsism

everything is inside it. part of the tv show

you imagine a magical tv set somewhere outside. this imagined tv set is in your mind which is also inside.

brain is to mind as " as "Gilligan's Island" is to your TV set. — T Clark

actually the brain is part of gilligan's island, just like everything else.

tv set is a supposed objective reality that is assumed to exist beyond the tv show, but has never been seen

see solipsism and hard problem

A child is a child because of mental age but an adult is an adult because of body age — TheMadFool

A 25 year old man is like a child compared to a 50 year old man

"Different" but not unrelated: — 180 Proof

Everything is related

As I see it, brain is to mind as your TV set is to "Gilligan's Island." Not the same, but inseparable. As for consciousness - what we call "mind" is the set of mental processes. "Consciousness" is one of those processes. — T Clark

Baseless assumptions.

i could just say the opposite of both statements and it would be equally true

that consciousness is a property that emerges spontaneously from routine mental processes. Those mental process emerge spontaneously from nervous system behavior. — T Clark

The brain, mind, and consciousness are 3 completely different things.

Infinity and eternity are one in the same — Mp202020

Wrong, something finite could exist eternally

knowingly and purposefully cause themselves pain — I like sushi

Like a cop does.

false analogy, kyle lowered his weapon when the criminals backed off.

say you're told to kill as many as possible, would you grab the plaintiff's skateboard or Kyle's rifle? — Outlander

I would rather be alive in jail then dead.

I guess you might have a certain view of what a ‘hero’ is that I don’t — I like sushi

Ya my view of a hero is batman, and yours is robin hood.

There is nothing ‘heroic’ about what he did. — I like sushi

or every single thing he did that night was heroic

Pretty much. That was the source of my outrage. — James Riley

kyle was pepper sprayed by the police when he tried to turn himself in

All but one of his victims were unarmed? — 180 Proof

You think a skateboard to the head cant kill someone? wow. let me use a skateboard to your head then.

unjustifiably put himself in harm's way? — 180 Proof

You mean exercising his free right to be outside just like all the other protesters?

Dont be a hypocrite.

should have left the situation up to law enforcement. — Xtrix

good!

more funding to police!

Can't imagine the outcome would have been the same with a young black male — Xtrix

two wrongs dont make a right. just because a black man gets a wrong sentence doesn't mean you should give white men wrong sentences too

Rittenhouse is an asshole — _db

Or maybe he is a hero.

and maybe vigilantism is what happens when democrats defund police

the people he shot were all white, and convicted criminals

maybe your fear of realizing you are a coward prevents you from seeing the truth when you see a hero

Empiricism is dependent upon senses which are dependent upon consciousness. I don't see with my eyes I see with my brain, and I don't see with my brain I see with my consciousness, and what i see is qualia which is consciousness.

It's like looking at molecules under a microscope and trying to learn about the microscope from the way the molecules look. But with no basis of comparison from other microscopes or instruments or anything else. and no ability to ever see the microscope itself. Just seeing the molecules and trying to use them to know the microscope that has never been seen.

Complete self recursion is impossible, this is what causes the hard problem of consciousness, the illusion of free will, and the ego.

why people say, man made things are unnatural ? — Nothing

Because human beings have an illusion that they are separate from reality. and because the human intellect divides everything into categories for comparison. Knowledge is nothing but copies and comparisons of the unknown.

And then, of course, there's the option that what some people believe is "evil", is actually good. — baker

I hate my parents, because they made me eat vegetables.

Reality is a perpetual motion machine

has a much more comprehensive and accurate understanding than Aristotle — Pantagruel

Scientists are just simple minded people that need to see something before they believe it. Because they can't see anything in their minds eye.

Complex vs simple. Conscious vs unconscious. Are perhaps better divisions then alive vs dead. Alive is self centered to us. Certain types of biological complexity we call "alive". Because it is similar to us.

Entitled Victim Mentality. Imagine I steal someone's money and then tell the police they stole my money. So now the police take even more money from him and give it to me!

If I walk into a store with no shirt and no shoes and I get no service should I play the victim and blame the store? Do I have zero ability to see myself. Maybe someone should hold a mirror in front of me.

It is the same with some people. They blame the opposite sex for the reason they can't get what they want from them. Like young guys blaming women for why they can't get sex, or older women blaming men for why they can't get married.

In order to get something from a store I have to figure out what the store wants from me in order to give me what i want. Fair trade requires communication and education between both parties. What do I have to do for you in order for you to do what I want. And what are your good qualities and bad qualities. What do you have to offer and what do I have to watch out for and avoid. To get the pleasure and avoid the pain. Now I'm learning. So I am getting closer to achieving my goal. Or I can sit around and sulk. Or I can use entitled victim mentality to trick everyone into giving me what I want for free.

its outputs are statistically more valuable — the affirmation of strife

The intellect is superior, says the intellect.

Meanwhile god laughs at your plans.

So let's suppose there is a God. — Gregory

GOD: The intelligence that created this simulation? Perhaps an advanced alien from a meta universe.

Or

GOD: The highest nature of reality itself, and when you realize it you disappear.

The mind is not separate from reality and it is not magic.

Let that be your answer.

The Principle of Relativity is fundamental to physics. — Banno

I'm not talking about the 'principle of relativity', im talking about up down, left right, fast slow, far close, long short, are all just relative measurements is the human mind and dont exist in reality.

I would agree! — john27

But senses are still subjective and consciousness is solipsistic. This is where philosophy comes in and turns into spirituality.

What theories of play interest you and what exactly is it — I like sushi

Play is just the pleasurable side of practice.

bad things befall good people all the time. — ToothyMaw

There is benefits in cooperation. But it requires more intelligence and peace. Both of which have weaknesses. Everything is relative except the whole, which is perfect.

And that's why port and starboard. — tim wood

Exactly.

But in the age of digital piracy we use upload and download. :nerd:

re-define spirituality — _db

Spiritual or mystical just pertains to things that transcend the senses and or mind. It is relative to that. So in actual reality there is no difference between "matter" or "spirit".

Irrelevant to my post

The mathematics Einstein developed shows how the laws of physics are the same for all observers. — Banno

Stop confusing metaphysics with physics.

“There is no such thing as philosophy-free science, just science that has been conducted without any consideration of its underlying philosophical assumptions.” -Dennett

Reflection. Initially the mind gets all its content from reflection of the senses.

How can we assess evidence to be accurate? what was our first truth to kickstart our accurate behaviour, and how did we find that that truth was true? — john27

This is Epistemology.

My position on epistemology is: truth is just a map that is accurate to the territory. Territory is experienced through the senses, and can be confirmed by others senses.

I'm not describing a perfect method. I am describing THE method we use.

If creators do not bear responsibility for the harm caused by their creations then God's off the hook, granted, but so is all humanity. — Cuthbert

No matter what creation is created it will contain pain and "evil". You can change the position of it but not the fact of it.

What would be in heaven then? That is, by definition, a life without pain. But such a life should not be possible => You have contradicted yourself. — SolarWind

Heaven is just another utopic fantasy, like communism.