f(x)=1/(e^x), where x is the total heat energy differential — god must be atheist

?

What's the heat differential?

It can last forever, which our universe does. When all mass has accelerated away to infinity all that will be left is pure potential energy, photons, with no mass. But a beginning is needed and even a prerequisite to give time a direction.

in the borderlands of philosophy and science — jgill

Once upon a time...

It is either true that "Every truth is subjective." or it is true that "Every truth is not subjective". One of those statements must be true and one must be false. Both cannot be true. — Harry Hindu

But on their own they make little sense. It's more appropriate to combine them. Every subjective truth is seen as objectively true by the people believing in it.

He says the question of whether there were other universes is "irrelevant". — Down The Rabbit Hole

It are those other universes that set the stage surrounding the singularity at the center of the spatially infinite universe. After each bang the singularity is "locked" only to be unlocked when a preceding universe is "over and done".

Aren't you just pushing the question back, to where the "extra mundane power" came from? If your answer is that it has always existed, surely it would be simpler to just say the series of big bangs have always existed? — Down The Rabbit Hole

This is where it gets interesting. You might indeed ask where the gods in their turn came from. But they don't exist in the way we or spacetime exist. There is no physical explanation why the universe is there. The only explanation why it displays the features it has can be by a preconceived plan. How can something showing the stuff we figure out by our theories exist on its own? Only creation by intelligent beings can be the cause. Asking where they come from is different from asking where the universe comes from.

To answer your last question: in various regions in the picture.

We eat stuff and we drink stuff. Ten years ago I consisted 90% of different matter (I'm not sure about my brain, neurons don't get replaced). In what else than matter can the mind reside?

Oddly enough, I still think of Feyerabend as pro-science. — mcdoodle

Why is that odd? Feyerabend majored in physics and worked with David Bohm. He took inspiration from Bohm's vision on nature, which back then was considered a Trotskiyte vision of a childish, immature mind...

Following Feyerabend's approach to method leads to Donald Trump. — Banno

That's the most nonsensical statement I must have read on this forum. So the fact that in science no method is used leads to Donald Trump... Dream on!

First off, you really don't know if those beautiful butterflies are not behind the recent spate of extreme weather events. — Agent Smith

I know the butterflies didn't conspire... Is it the butterfly conspiracy we are witnessing?

and secondly we live in far more complex societies, which presumably are more difficult to navigate. — Banno

That's exactly why something silly as the IQ has been developed. To find your way or excell in exactly the kind of society that sprang from the abstract thinking.

As an acolyte of the doctrine of self-reliance, I frequently engage in proselytizing new members for the Dual Time Society (DTS). The enlightened disciples in this new age of pure enlightenment are strict followers of Dual Time Theorem (DTT), and in this new age of time awareness a strict following of this theorem is a welcome tool in the struggle of liberation from the bondages we are straightly jackened into by simplex-time implementation. It's time to smash the clock and break the watch.

DTT is a purely physical explanation of puzzles encountered in quantum mechanical and general relative approaches to time. It offers a coherent, self-consistent way out of the conundrums and paradoxes encountered in contemporary philosophy of time.

Um. You realize domesticated cats are exponentially smaller than wild cats, right? That kinda goes along with the whole size thing. A blue whale's brain is 20 pounds yet all it can do for the creature is let it know when to make weird noises and not suffocate to death. — Outlander

Exponentially smaller? What do you mean? Your stuff about the whale is far from the truth.

In Darwinism, blind chance (evolution) beats blind chance (extinction level events are all rolls of dice) with blind chance (random genetic mutation). At some point the accumulated random mutation resulted in an intelligent ape (h. sapiens) who's the Thucydidean Pericles. — Agent Smith

So the dogma goes...

Perhaps after the beers are flowing well, I will ask the company.
So guys 'What constitutes a Philosopher.' They may respond or they may throw their drinks at me. I will find out soon.
Cheers Fur Noo! — universeness

:rofl:


Have a good time mate!

Oh sh** not that whole 'multiple personality stuff again....aaaaarrrggghhhhh'
Don't worry, normal service will resume soon. — universeness

:lol:

Though I don't fully understand...Multiple personalities?
In everyday life I never think about gods. Does it really matter if they exist? Do they offer a moral for our relationship with nature? Do they prevent us from doing harm to others? Can we say it's blasphemy if we curse "goddamned"?
Sometimes, when late at night I walk outside and see moon-lightened clouds float by, in shapes of gigantic creatures, it seems as if the gods are watching the Earth, for whatever reason. You will call it a fantasy, and of course it is. I believe the gods are real existent though. How else can you explain the presence of the universe?
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Dunno. Potential contingencies, in the aftermath of an intergrowth of two non-abelian intrinsically curved gauge fields, expressed as fibre bundles on the cotangent normalized perpendicularity, as in ophicalcite, myrmekite, or micropegmatite, relating to or being a bone between the hyomandibular and the quadrate in the mandibular suspensorium, should be implemented in mutual conservation of synchrone synergy, as an holistic collapse of the emblematic synthesis implicitly augmenting an asgardian symplectic symbolism, pervading confabulations the contemporary crisis in modern colloquial language.

We should be on guard and immanently attempt for less pretentiously loquacious talkatives; garruloussly avoiding gossipy and loose-lippened, indiscrete blabber, and aim for an objective silver tongue, so we can effectively and
efficiently adapt a communicative transparent mode of speech, instead of the chatty and loose-tongued vocalizations so blindly uttered by fellow subjects in present society, leading to incomensurable inconsistencies and incoherency.

Having to number every code line was fun eh? — universeness

This single line shows already your optimistic outlook on life! Great! :smile:

So by N=1/N you mean the new N becomes the inverse of the old, for example 3 becomes 1/3?

No, an atheist does not believe god exists. It's not an ideal, it's an opinion. I am an atheist but I cannot prove there is no god, no-one can, but I am personally convinced as near to 100% as you can get. — universeness

The theist, like me, is convinced almost 100% he does exist. I don't give a damn about their eventual intentions for the creation of the universe and I don't preach in their name to direct life. I derive no morals from them or whatever. I still regret it that I signed an entrance paper for university. I had to sign to prove my Christian belief (for a physics study...)! Someone (I'm sure you would have liked him!) told me I should have protested. And he is right! The university is the closest by of the two in town. So I signed. What would have happened if I refused to sign?

I am not being idealistic, I am not aiming for perfection, I just refuse to be as duped as a theist. — universeness

I refuse to be duped as an atheist.

I want the generations to come to be freed from religious lies. I am not too bothered about current believers. I want the next generation to be told what we KNOW or are SCIENTIFICALLY most convinced of. That is all we should teach about truth. Let them speculate further or allow their imagination to take whatever flight of fancy it may but teach them not to make policies or build civilisations based on speculation and flights of fancy. Build on what we know! — universeness

I tend to agree with this, but doesn't building society up by politics based on science mean giving the same power to Science as giving power to God?

Hopefully NATO and Russia avoid a nuclear war. It would be nice to see this before we vanish... — Manuel

At least we die happily then...

Okay then. A defense for the materialist. Everything is one. The cloud, the rain, my tea, my foot that wiggles, the smile in the mirror, the thought in my brain, the pain in my neck, the sound of the Buddha gong, the talk of the master, the smoke patterns in the chaos of the cigarette smoke, the coughing outside, the fruitjuice and the the plastic bottle it's in, the laughing toy cat rolling on the floor, weird al Yankovic, Thich Nhat Hanh, the moon, the space in which the stars move, the prisons built to exploit the inmates, the taser to control the disturber of public order, the waves on the oceans, the particles zipping around in the electron, my vision of them, ideas, the processes in my brain, the connections made, the words I read, the fascist boots marching, the black and red flag, the stolen bike, the MF who stole it, and on the list goes. Is a feeling or a smile worth less if it's made of material?

The true mystery of time is not it's nature. Change in space and change in space go hand in hand. The comments here bear witness to that. The physical aspect seems to be clear. As the OP rightfully claimed, there are two kinds of physical time. Clock time, which is reversible ("let's turn back the clock"), and thermal time, which goes in one direction on the macro level.

The real mystery is the experience of time. Sometimes an hour seems passed in a second, sometimes a minute takes an hour... Why is that? Why the good things last so short and the bad things that long?

It’s a very hard saying, that, as we automatically interpret everything through the lens of gain and loss. — Wayfarer

Who is "we'? I know the truth also. It's freeing. I don't wanna get power or any goods. Not interested. But why shouldn't it be enlightened if you do want so?

What's it like to be enlightened? Feels great!

I see now, I worded it the wrong way. They are, in fact, each other's ground and condition, and take shape mutually. My fault...

You may not agree with this particular kind of metaphysical position, but the nature of metaphysics is that such that it stands as the ground and condition of possibility of scientific thought. — Joshs

Metaphysics is not the ground and condition of physics, nor physics the ground and condition for metaphysics. They are not separate self contained entities and need each other to blossom. You might have a metaphysical realm of mathematics, but you still need a physical realm to give meaning to it.

Is it objectively true that every truth is subjective? — Harry Hindu

Yes. But everyone thinks their truth is objectively true.

The problem of time can be reduced to the one way direction it goes on the macro level and the two way direction it flows at the micro level. All elementary particles motions are symmetric in time. The collective behavior is such that the particle patterns change unidirectional. But why all particles don't have an opposite velocity?
It are the collective motions and interactions that can be said to constitute time. The relations, the distances, between them, change and the time on a clock quantifies the process.

I'm happy it doesn't go the other way around! — jgill

Haha! You could make it your opus magnus. "Okay, for n=56545434566, is the product smaller than e... yes! Next n..." :joke:

mean as an explanation for where everything came from (such as Lawrence Krauss proposes) — Down The Rabbit Hole

Krauss uses QFT and it's implications for the vacuum. He doesn't explain where the singularity itself, with virtual particles only comes from

The view you expressed of an infinite series of big bangs has no explanation for where it came from. In fact it never came from anywhere, it has always existed. — Down The Rabbit Hole

But it explains the mechanism of subsequent big bangs. There is no physical explanation where the infinity came from. It has been created by an extra mundane power, how else got it there. The power lives outside the domain of space and time, so even when spacetime is eternal and infinite that won't be proof of no divine beings.

But here you predetermined the pattern of the sequence. Suppose I saw the ten first members of the pattern of the outcomes of your products. All smaller then e. Are we sure that only your prescription for generating the numbers (2, etc.) is unique?

Indeed. Potential energy is different from kinetic energy. Potential energy is defined in force fields. Kinetic energy is caused by a force. So is potential energy but in a "reverse mode". By pulling or pushing, it is stored or extracted. The kinetic and the potential can be transformed into one another or be compared in value. While kinetic energy is always positive, potential energy can be both, depending on the gauge. Is kinetic energy somehow gauge dependent too?
So, values balance, the "things" are different.

Yeah, another doh! moment for me, to add to my ever-growing collection. — universeness

I had too look up "doh":



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I think the last one doesn't apply in your usage. But I got the feeling! :smile:

I wondered about that too. Seems only 1 and -1 seem to be the answer. Maybe N can be different things. So that it's inverse is equal to itself. An inverse matrix?

In fairytale his universal grammar of, Chomsky, style in a close coming the to UG has he in mind, faithfully being to imperative grammar the, that it's possible to make a "perfect copy" of you and me of your genetic material (and, so he claims, as we approach the atomic level, we are all the same...). How convenient for his theory!

Universal Grammar... As silly an attempt to catch human language as the attempt to find a theory of everything in nature. Though such a theory (a ToE) is useful in the realm of the singularity, it completely fails in everyday reality. True, looking with a microscope, you will see time reversible motion of Planck-sized geometrical massless structures, with magical charges, loving and hating each other under the safe guidance in the sea of hidden variables we call space, but if we zoom out new, irreducible and irreversible structures come into focus.

Likewise for language. While common features can be found by studying phonetic patterns, and while we all have a brain that obviously has to be organized, and commonalities can be found in them, it's an illusion that a universal grammar is to be found in them. Though at the basic level we are all a bunch of elementary particles...

Describe Now. — theRiddler

The now is constantly running from the past, fleeing towards the future. The past never catches up, the future always resides. We're caught in between.

You don't think something more basic such as a quantum field is a better explanation? — Down The Rabbit Hole

Quantum fields are exactly the reason I think this will happen.

..means more people, with ever less resources to share between them! — karl stone

Do you really mind if there are less cars, less campers, less drones, less cameras, less washing machines, less kitchen aids, less stereo amplifiers, less microwave ovens, less roads, less fences, less light bulbs, less plastic bottles, less perfumes, less electricity wires, less computers, less experiments, less tools, less lasers, less production of useless stuff, etc.?

Fusion energy is coming and maybe sooner than you think

Indeed!

Balance

Without the gravitational density of plasma, forcing atoms together, such that a fusion reaction increases the probability of further fusion reactions, in energy terms, they are always accelerating from zero with every singular instance of fusion. Thus, the energy input, to create and contain such high temperatures, will always exceed the energy output. — karl stone

The energy coming from a fusion reaction is higher than what you put into it. The kinetic energy of two hydrogen nuclei in a fruitful event is less than the energy coming out. So clever engineering can make it work.

No. I explained why this approach cannot secure a sustainable future. Poor people breed more. They have larger families. At the same time, less energy means it gets more expensive and harder to do everything. Society crumbles while population explodes, and that will not end well. Famine, mass migration, war. Why would prefer that to a prosperous sustainable future - based on limitless clean energy from magma — karl stone

Here I'm lost. Less production means less energy means less impact on nature.

To question them is what philosophers do.

I got nowhere else to go... All people are against me...

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