Well, on a cylinder the cylindrical length and circumference coordinate lines are locally perpendicular. If you approach the SoL in the length direction, the circle òn the perpendicular dimension doesn't Lorenz contract.

makes me think minds don't emerge from matter. — RogueAI

From what else? But not purely from the brain's matter. In the brain, the intrinsic nature of matter is connected to the body which walks around in the physical world seen on the outside, projecting itself continuously into the brain by the senses, which makes the intrinsic nature of matter resonate and a conscious simulation of the physical world appear. An appearance shaped by our modes of thinking, worldview, expectations, feelings, a priori or inborn reactions, culture, etc. In principle, a complete material rendering of this process of a body with a brain walking in the world can be given, but such rendering will never be able to explain the intrinsic matter features which can only be felt on the inside.



quote="Wayfarer;697465"]Rational inference depends wholly and solely on the relations of ideas - ‘is’, ‘is not’, ‘is greater than’, ‘is the same as’, and so on. Judgements based on those simple elements are intrinsic to any rational claim about anything whatever, including the claim that thought can be explained in terms.[/quote]l9l

I don't think that these judgements are inherent to the claim that thought can be explained in physical terms. Why should it? That claim is just a claim about the nature of reality.

It is when you are curious — dimosthenis9

As long one is not blinded by that search, it's okay, I guess. Sometimes the truth can turn out to be a mass hallucination, while the real truth is dismissed because of that longing.

The difference between "theology" and "philosophy of religion" is analoguous to the difference between persecution and emancipation — 180 Proof

Dear father of the holy gods... The confused thoughts of the spinozatic freethinker. I'll pray to all gods for you, brother Proof. But I think it will be in vain. I let the gallow be prepaired...

Im sure if efforts were made to get more women to study philosophy, it would be waisted toil.

I cannot think of a single thing from science that helps me understand the world. — Jackson

Science only describes. It doesn't make one truly understand.

Philosophy's goal should be to contribute to the search of truth — dimosthenis9

The search for truth? Why is that so important?

Yes. But insofar philosophy is concerned both men and women are disencouraged. Because math is, for some strange reason, regarded higher. Probably career opportunity plays a role.

come in the name of the Lord! :snicker: — Agent Smith

:lol:

A second coming!

The question of why there are more women in mathematics than philosophy may be more or less due to there being concerted efforts to encourage women into mathematics and no effort has been made for philosophy (as it is not exactly as highly regarded as mathematics in the public eye). — I like sushi

Which applies to men as well.

Exactly! Certain things are difficult to imagine though. Like the nature of physical charge. It lays st the foundation of consciousness. We can imagine though whats it like to be an electron.

Absolutely not, Popper is talking about science, about the method, about what qualifies as science, so this is philosophy of science, not a science-based philosophy. — Skalidris

Yes, but is it based on how science actually works? No. He offers a caricature. A scientist as a nervous falsifying machine.

It would do away with Popper 's methodology!

OK then, how can these "facts" be established as true? — Relativist

By using your mind

Metaphysics ... refers to the study of the most basic items or features of reality (ontology) or to the study of the most basic concepts used in an account of reality — Relativist

That's physics and theology in one!

You're onto something here! Keep on truckin' — ucarr

Thanks!
I keep my hands on the wheel! :wink:

Yes. Since time and space are not absolutes only relations exist. — Jackson

Space and time are absolutely existing. Their metric is relative though. The spacetime I measure is different from the spacetime a moving observer measures.

Objects are space. Filled with physical charges.

a quixotic point — 180 Proof

I have to admit, your choice of words is from time to time, impressive.

Like Gödel showed us, every basic system of logic will generate true statements that can’t be justified within the generating system.
— ucarr

Not quite, but who cares? — jgill

I care! Is it the other way round?

For the imaginary part, suppose the missile were to hit an imaginary wall — jgill

The imaginary wall making time imaginary? :chin:

You're taking a walk with us! :joke:

Complex time, it, is used in relativity.

T=t+ib(t) — jgill

z=t+ib(t)? If t increases ib(t) rotates! That's what happening all around us. The vacuum time fluctuates! Jgill, my man! :grin:

The idea of god as single unified personality was quite an innovation in the history of theology. By conceiving of the divine as unified , we simultaneously saw the human psyche as a autonomous and internally unified. It also gave us a view of the cosmos as a perfect unity. What are you trying to say about us and the world by connecting us back to a plurality of deities rather than the One? — Joshs

Not sure if this was a progression. This idea of a unified abstract omni monster god originates in Xenophanes who wasn't satisfied with the plurality of gods in his time. The idea fitted with the idea of a single abstract mathematical heaven introduced by Plato. The reality was knowable only approximately, in Plato's case by math. It fitted well with the trend of abstraction. But it became less personal (there it is, the impersonal absolute reality). It underlies modern science.

Why can't the universe just be a material temporary version of heaven and life in it? Which in orinciple can make each form of life a god. I know it sounds ridiculous, but why, literally, shouldn't there be whale gods, monkey gods, virus gods even? I dreamt i saw a beautiful place in nature where all were working enthusiastically during the preambles to creation. Collectively they were looking for, the gods particle. Turned out they needed just two! Plus that damned 5D vacuum structure, which appeared in full color, pumping out two universes, in both sides of the wormhole, on the beating. To let a temporary version of heaven inflate periodically. Their reason? Boredom from the eternal life!

Why are you trying to say about us and the world by connecting us back to a plurality of deities rather than the One?
9m — Joshs

One moment. Gonna make some coffee fir me and my lady...

Speculation – Liquiformation may have played a central role in the big bang expansion. — ucarr

I've encountered this view while discussing with another user. He compared space with water.

Because time cannot be stopped, not even within a singularity — ucarr

Here I disagree. If you throw a watch in a black hole, it doesn't stop indeed. It gets almosts instantly radiated away by Hawking radiation (the information, that is).

If we consider the 5D quantum structure, the 5D wormhole connecting two hyperbolic spaces) there is no direction of time. It goes to and fro. But indeed, the oscillation (which is by itself a kind of clock) doesn't stop.

Space = a type of material object — ucarr

I agree. But which material?

Supporting Premise – time is a fundamental attribute of existence (Lee Smolin) — ucarr

Agree. But not the clock.

universe is the limit of system — ucarr

Not sure I understand.

The motion of motion is the motions in a moving reference frame?

You would be able to enrich your articulation of your worldview by familiarizing yourself with the thinking of some of these authors. It would also make your thinking more accessible to others , by giving them more
routes of access to your ideas. This is the great strength of Continental modes of philosophy. — Joshs

:up:

But you haven’t invented , you have reinvented — Joshs

Of course! You think I invented that 5D vacuum structure with virtual particles? Of course not! It were the gods! And they showed me in a dream. Im the humble messenger.

By the way, cosmology typically considers another option: no definite earliest time, and not an infinite past duration — jorndoe

Sounds reasonable and for the current universe it holds. There was fluctuating time before the emergent thermodynamic time. The primordial clock goes forward and backwards (virtual particles). The clock emerging from it (real particle pairs emerging from a virtual, the quantum bubble is broken)..

But... the virtual state needs a trigger. A previous universe. The 5D quantum vacuum ensures this.

By the way, cosmology typically considers another option: no definite earliest time, and not an infinite past duration. Call it "edge-free" if you like. This option itself seems counter-intuitive, at a first glance at least. Yet, it might be worthwhile. — jorndoe

This is a nonsensical claim in the wider picture I offer.

I haven't challenged the coherence of your claims; I'm just pointing out that they still assumptions- not established fact. — Relativist

They can't be established as physical facts by experiment but they are part of this universe, like virtual particles are. They are obvious physical facts.

Here's a few of your metaphysical assumptions:
1. there are two different kinds of time.
2. Emergent causal thermodynamic time
3. non-directional, fluctuating time
4. timeless state
5. Existence of gods — Relativist

Only 5. is metaphysical. The first four are physical.

Be it the reality of the physical cosmos, the gods, astrology, the dreamtime, the mind, the witches, or whatever reality, there is no one and only absolute reality. For different people there are different objective realities. The absolute reality, the one reality is an ancient idea. Introduced by Plato, Xenophanes, etc.

We use models from physics as proxies for philosophy when we don’t have enough background in actual philosophical discourse, and as result it always ends up being a reinvention of the wheel. — Joshs

Which wheel? I have invented a far better thing than a wheel. A structure on which the universe can inflate into existence repeatedly! The gods did a great job! They had selfish reasons but Ill settle for that! Proxies for philosophy? You feel threatened? How offers a physical model a proxie? It's just a part!

I think I see right through you. You think a physicist knows everything better. Well lemme tellya, I dont. Its just one reality amongst many.

I never said I want a proof. — Jackson

What then is your critique on theism? You don't have it!

can we also find a proof of how God was created? — Skalidris

Eternal intelligences don't need to be created. They are the reason themselves. Non-intelligent material does need a rational reason to exist. Non-intelligent material can't bring itself into existence. It needs intelligence. Intelligent design.

Why you want proof in the first place? Because only then you are sure?

Yes. Which is the topic of the thread. There are no proofs for God because people choose to believe. — Jackson

Likewise, there is no proof for the reality of a godless world you choose to believe in. So the best we can do is to accept that there are two objective realities.

I'm demonstrating that proofs of God's existence depend on questionable metaphysical assumption — Relativist

It's no metaphysical assumption. There are no metaphysical assumptions in my cosmology. It's a coherent, self consistent cosmology uniting different disciplines in physics into a solid, rational description of the cosmos. It describes a timeless underlying higher dimensional thermodynamically timeless quantum vacuum structure on which two mirrored universes can inflate into existence periodically. No gaps of knowledge are left. It's a closed structure. Who ordered it? What's the reason the underground structure exists? Only gods offer a rationally reasonable answer.

Solipsism. Just because you have an experience does not mean it is true for other people. — Jackson

Dunno if it solipsism. I don't deny your existence. Maybe the experience of your world, without gods, is solipsism. You deny my reality.