Just now read your comment, and I like it very much! Challenging the custom standard behaviors, ideas, theories, is something I liked my whole life. Which brought me into considerable difficulties... Being bipolar, as so nicely labeled by our psychologists, makes the situation even worse, cause in a "manic episode" most inhibitions subside to give way to the big buzz of the fantastic high you find yourself in. Masturbating in public is something on my bucket list still...

I love Australian philosopher Roman Krznaric (Chris nar ic), one of the founders of the Empathy Museum. And the anarchistic epistemology of Feyerabend is a welcome diversion from the strict standards. For good reason he is labeled "the clown of the philosophy of science": Anything goes! A crazy though? Maybe, but surely closer to reality than standards. Which is mainly Popper (most scientists subscribe to his idea of science, based on falsification) but more recent philosophers, like Ian Hacking (who wrote, BTW, in a critique on the third print on Against Method that he had never seen it before that in three subsequent print of a book, three different books were written, and even the covers are different!) and Pickering (Constructing Quarks) blow a fresh cooling wind into the steamy hot classroom! Call them mad, clowns, dogs, maladapted, maladjusted, offline, abnormal, etc. but this labeling is, as you wisely suggested, is just the labeling of fellow men in their attempt to defend their own standards.

How do you account for my 'happy, fulfilled' godless life?
Do you not believe that I am a happy, contented person for the vast majority of moments in time as they pass? — universeness

How can I account for your life? It's quite simple. We live in two different worlds. Who says there is only one? My world is one with gods, yours one without. Now who is right? Both!

I'll use everything against you! "Sustained!".

"Then Woowoo should be allowed to base life on your honor!"

Yeah, after two and a half years without having touched water I have gained some extra weight. The flies around my head attack the pussie crawling through the collected dirt between my filthy long hair and beard. Even the dog won't approach me anymore...

From Wikipedia:
"The Kali Yuga, in Hinduism, is the fourth and worst of the four yugas (world ages) in a Yuga Cycle, preceded by Dvapara Yuga and followed by the next cycle's Krita (Satya) Yuga. It is believed to be the present age, which is full of conflict and sin."

Hinduism! The biggest of the polytheistic movements. More fairy story BS to me! — universeness

And still, how close the Kali Yuga is to the truth... Closer than any science and it's "objective" division of time in billions of lightyears, the emergence of Earth in a primordial solar system, the assigning of periods in evolution, and the mere blink of an eye existence of people on the cosmic scale.

WW3: a self fulfilling prophecy, hence our inevitable fate.

A) the universe itself doesn't need to be compared with that imaginary subterfuge called God — javi2541997

It does, if you want to see the wonder of creation. The simple and at the same time most complex idea that the material universe, endowed with heavenly magic, is a temporary but eternally repeating reflection of an eternal, non-material heaven filled with eternal life, is enough to let the wonder, getting rid off by science, return.

We are the worst generation ever. — javi2541997

On the contrary! We're the best, and, although on the brink of annihilation, there is hope for the new times arriving before too not too long.

But they are equal. They are all endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. Among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. To secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. — T Clark

:up: , for the first part

For the second part, :chin:

And yes, women can be badly behaved too but, from what I've seen, not quite in the same pugnacious manner or as frequently. — Tom Storm

If only they had the power...

Gonna get me a buzz cut too. Pussins crawl on top of me...

In England, great Brittain, to some, men kill their wives more than women their men. They get much lower sentences as their act is so-called not premeditated. Women kill by plan, and mostly in response to the man's wickedness. So, there are about as many years sentenced to woman as to men.

Another analogy you might grok, lil troll, comes to mind – theology : "Sauron" :: phil. of religion : Lord of the Rings — 180 Proof

What the fuck...? Sauron would be the dark philosopher of religion, shining himself as the dark Lord into Frodo Balins, the true Lord of Rings and enlightened Hobbit, possessing the knowledge of the Sauron God. His theology enabled him beat the God beast hiding behind philosophy.

is about "the gods or God" as if they are not empty names (which, of course, they are). — 180 Proof

which is the question. The gods ontology is what philosophy of religion is about. Not the answer.

Sauron and the Lord... For dear fucks' sake...

No, hermeneutics is the philological-critical discipline of interpreting (ancient) texts such as "sacred scriptures" (in which "gods", etc are featured characters) canonized by religions in order to function as foundations for ecclesiastical dogmas — 180 Proof

Helleluya, brother Proof! 180 shekels right in the pocket!

Grmblbbgrrr.... deer god....for fucks' sake...

Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. — Ludwig Wittgenstein

What is meant here with the "bewitchment of our intelligence"? And why should philosophy battle it by means of language. Does language has the power to fight against bewitchment? Isn't language part of the bewitchment?

Great pictures! "Beeeehhh!!! To much sugar mummy!" :grin:

Consider this. If we look at the world o matter, two charged dead pieces interacting with another seem to have an intention to move towards or away from each other. The teleos and causation seem to lay close to one another. Same thing with logical necessity and causation.

Well, it depends. Apologetics is the defense of gods. Hermeneuticss is about the interpretation of the gods.

I knew it! :lol:

For my two shekels, "theology" in relation to "philosophy of religion" is as apologetics in relation to hermeneutics, respectively. — 180 Proof

To return the shekels, isn't it the other way round, i.e., "theology" is the "hermeneutics", and the "philosophy of religion" the "apologetics"?



Indeed. Theology is the science of gods. And like a philosopher of science does not need to believe in science neither does a philosopher of religion have to believe in gods.

That's no pipe!

Stories for the fearties and those who need the woo woo in their lives. — universeness

"World Population by Religion

About 85% of the world's people identify with a religion."

Which means: woowoo accepted!

I noticed too. He deleted all after a dispute. Another thread he deleted. :grin:

Keep thinking as you walk your dog. You don't need polytheistic BS, you need to respect and offer yourself, all that you are, to science and physics as that is where you truly exist!
You still need family, friends, and experiences outside of science of course but stop your dancing to polytheistic tunes.
Don't let the SCIgodians get their BS claws into you any deeper than the penetration your theistic dalliances have already caused — universeness

No, nobody's claws get into me. Believe you that. The thing is that the woowoo gods story gives me a great feeling and makes me see the wonder of creation. Science alone is not enough for me. And now dear brother Uni, I have to walk with Belle bitch Bo. A lovely goddess... woef woef! :grin:

Might be, but I have finally found an answer to the physics of the physical fundaments. I dreamt about it and now it's real! There is no easy way I choose. That would be ignoring the gods. Only gods can explain the miracle and reason of existence. Why there is such a fundamental reality in the first place. I dont use gods to explain the working, only for why there are workings in the first place. :starstruck:

Woofwoof calling! With beautiful dark brown eyes... great discussion brother Uni! Thank you veruy muuuuch! :smile:

Eeehhh... shit forgot Scottish!

Other good thinkers did the same, Tesla fell in love with a pigeon for f*** sake!
You wanted to drink from car exhausts. Put the pieces together humpty dumpty! — universeness

He fell in love with a pigeon? :lol:

I was psychotic... Time hadnt moved 100 years in the future, and the monthly air alarm exercise didn't announce the new age!

The woo woo BS has made you insult the best most productive most useful thinking you have ever done, PHYSICS! — universeness

The gods helped me! Why should the woowoo insult physics?

YES YOU HAVE UTTERLY SURRENDERED TO THEM!
The woo woo BS has made you insult the best most productive most useful thinking you have ever done, PHYSICS! — universeness

They exist, but I haven't surrendered to them! Why should I?

The SCIgodian leaders can now use you to help them become rich! — universeness

??

You have laid down and screamed for mercy and the woo woo has offered itself to you as an escape from the challenge of rational human thinking. The SCIgodian leaders can now use you to help them become rich! — universeness

And they even endowed it with heavenly magic! Fuck the scigodian leaders! Follow your dream, and you'll go far! Every man and woman is a star!

Defeatist surrender to woo woo! The easy way out because physics befuddles you even with your impressive knowledge of it. — universeness

It befuddles me because I'm impressed the gods could have come up with such ingenuity! Try to let that appear from a mindless spark.

You think I surrender to them? No way! To nobody!

999!

No it offers nothing but false woo woo BS — universeness

How can gods having a reason for creation not provide a reason? Woowoo reason is reason!

Your surrender to woo woo has been the foundation of our disagreement! — universeness

Ah! Now I got it! You don't like surrendering!

But it doesn't, its the same as obsessing about what the biggest or smallest number is, its a pointless waste of brain effort. — universeness

It gives a reason why the universe is there and all life in it.

So just like your gods then! — universeness

The difference being that I don't pretend them to be scientific. It's precisely because science fails I posit them. Your play!

No, you are as far away as the first cause is with that conclusion! — universeness

Believe, brother Uni, it's your unconscious primal fear! Try to proof it's not...

I'm glad you finally agree that positing a first cause is irrational and always will be. — universeness

If the cause gives reason, it's the most rational it can get. Ratio=reason.

Don't know, it was too long ago, in a time before time in this Universe. It has no significance AT ALL. — universeness

Very scientific, your mindless spark!

Yeah, so unconscious, I have never experienced it. — universeness

But it inspires your thinking without you knowing it. Subliminal!

So, exactly what I suggested.....woo woo. — universeness

Right! A mindless spark appearing from nothing isn't woowoo... It's even bigger woowoo, irrational, without reason. How can that happen?