If you still need it then the SCIgodians await you! — universeness

False gods...

It is highly unlikely the mindless spark had anything to do with this Universe, Don't forget the physics of the Penrose bounce! — universeness

It preceded the big bangs, or not? What's the nature of the spark. Is it a tunneling chance of 10exp(10exp(10exp(10exp50)))?

Or maybe tomorrow! — universeness

Actually, already some time ago. But not strings!

True, but many others dont! — universeness

But an increasing number does!

Yeah, but only in the opinion of those ON the fringes! — universeness

Of course. It's not an opinion though.

It could be worse, they could be trying to find common ground between Cosmology and polytheism! — universeness

The common ground between these is a matter of temporally material. The cosmos and life in it are a material temporal copy of non-physical heaven and eternal life in it. So, know the universe and you know heaven. Know life and you know the gods. People have messed it up though. Because the apple of science was firmly bitten.

experience no such struggle. — universeness

It's an unconscious primal fear...

She utters the brilliant words 'should have kept some pills in the downstairs kitchen.'
Ain't it the truth! Well done Carl! Good writing! — universeness

And behold, the alien beings show themselves in the shape of daddy. A scary type with white hair who blows up the capsule is introduced to warn us against the irrationality of anti-science. Dangerous! They terrorize! Why shouldn't gods be able to offer solace? But the worst of all, Sagan didn't learn basic science which he so worships! Again, like Dawkins, a scientist who is a bad physicist. Trying to compensate by being atheist! :starstruck:

To err is human, to forgive is ........... also human! — universeness

Yes, but in the meantime it showed scientific woowoo. Which is forgivable...

From nowhere! Same as your fictitious god(s) — universeness

Gods didn't appear from nowhere. It takes gods to let the mindless spark come into existence from nowhere. That's the power of creation. And science can't explain that! Which is with which you are struggling. "How can gods create?" The mindless spark is the 4d (7d to fit 6d particles) hyperstructure.

Says you, from the distant fringes of the scientific community. — universeness

The real stuff happens in the fringes. The modal scientists just repeat the string woowoo. They have no real genius! Majority is no indication of truth. Mass hallucination!

More time is required to complete! — universeness

There you go again! "Once upon a time in a future, far far away." If the basics are out of touch with reality, it will drift off more and more. Many scientists consider it a dead end street. No wonder, as it arose in the context of the strong interaction.

I am reminded of a scene from Carl Sagan's film Contact. I searched for it on youtube but to no avail.
Ellie as a child, can't get to the heart pills in time to save her father. The usual moronic local priest speaks to her at the funeral of her father and he tries to comfort her by suggesting that she pray to god and receive its solace. She utters the brilliant words 'should have kept some pills in the downstairs kitchen.'
Ain't it the truth! Well done Carl! Good writing! — universeness

Yeah, Jody Foster, the typical female atheist! The film has made a critical mistake...

Horror films that dramatise the supernatural have little impact on me — universeness

I have the same experience with scifi movies promoting weird fantasies of a faraway future in which super intelligent cuboids fly silently over an Earth manipulated to fit the cube... :lol:

I already have, many times. A ToE based on String theory/Mtheory and the first cause was a mindless, meaningless spark that no longer has any existence. This is much more likely for me than your 6D manifold — universeness

Why the ToE of strings is more likely? If you understand it, it offers no clue to dark energy. String theory is a fantasy even worse than gods. Not to speak of a mindless spark. Where the hell did a mindless spark came from?

Everyone can provide an answer if they choose to. — universeness

Give me one then!

The proof is a cosmological model. A 4d (7d) eternal infinite quantum vacuum on which 3d (6d) real space and TD time emerge periodically. A serial big inflation. In every new big bang, the gods can witness a new and different temporay version of eternal heavenly life. They weren't quite as stupid as you might guess!

Infinite afterlives!

A defeatist viewpoint! We cant answer the big questions yet after much effort so let's just surrender to the woo woo god posit. No way! — universeness

The point is, I can answer that question. And the gods even helped me answering it! Pascal wagered, I am sure!

Any causal reference to the god posit as an original source for the Universe has so far, had no evidential support AT ALL except ancient and modern hearsay and the wishful thinking of humans who are simply terrified because they don't know why they are and they fear oblivion after death because they think they may be in some way, still aware of time passing. — universeness

Objection, objection, your honor! Brother Uni The gods posit might have no evidence in his interpretation of evidence, but that evidence is highly contaminated. We all know science tries to grasp the source of the material just as the gods posit tries. But if the gods posit is posited after the scientific attempt has proven useless, inadequate, meaningless, without reason, and improvable just the same, the posit is justified.

Brother Uni! Even in the face of clear evidence to the contrary you stick to the lie! Forget my subscription! You made it very clear though how many religions function. But there are such examples in the scientific religion just the same.

In the vast majority of those cases, the science community is correct but sometimes they are wrong — universeness

Which means the majority sold woowoo.

The multiverse theory is not woo woo, it has many advocates amongst established cosmologists — universeness

Which makes the woowoo even worse!

Careful sinner! Lest you shall reap the whirlwind and be damned by your own utterances. — universeness

Let that wind come! I'll reap it!

Choose wisely Mr Physics man :death: — universeness

I do, I do, brother Uni! :death:

Alexander would probably be serving life in a high-security jail.
Be careful about any insults (with humorous intent) you make towards Agent Smith. If he is true to his character, he can send one of his many matrix replicants to take possession of your wife and then goodness knows what he as she, might do to you! :scream: — universeness

So it was actually Alexander being mad? I don't think Diogenes needed mental health care actually! And he certainly would have refused.

Agent Smith, in my humble opinion, is a wise person. With a touch of madness. :grin:

You don't have any meaning or purpose — Christoffer

Well, that's exactly the question. Dawkins, quite ignorantly, says the purpose of life is to pass on genes or memes, which is just a dogmatic belief.

Now it's true that life has evolved in a long process starting at the big bang, but who says all universal life would not have evolved into the same beings if the initial state were different?

That's why they say "bullshit" to such explanations because anything other than God, belief, and religion is beneath them. — Christoffer

But science and religion can go hand in hand. Science lacks the explanation of where the basic ingredients of the universe come from, and gods can offer a reason for why it appeared. It's a totally different reason than the scientific take. Gods are not needed to fill gaps (science can work it out to the fundaments), but to give reason for a gapless state of matter in the first place.

So, the mindless reason that science gives for existence (reducing it to coincidental combinations of lifeless particles) is replaced by a reasonable creation act with a purpose, endowing existence with a wonder science has taken away.

It has been said well before Plato time, by Heraclitus "You cannot enter the same river twice." — Corvus

Why nit? Can't I jump in the Mississippi twice?

A photon has a potentially measurable beginning and end, but no set path in between. Once we determine or initiate its existence, we can calculate roughly where we might look for it at any particular time along the journey, or probabilistically if and when we might find it at a certain point in space - barring other interactions, of course. Any set of rules for that journey is determined and redetermined in relation to observation/measurement/interaction.

What is a photon that interacts with nothing? — Possibility

A collection of photons that interact with nothing can form a black hole, if the density of them, or their energy is high enough.

Does matter carry mind?

To argue means being at war...

I think he's closer to what physically happened than you can ever imagine. I actually know what existed before the big inflation from where space and thermodynamic time emerged inflationary. And lemme tellya, @val p miranda is damned close!

Artists, poets, writers, and philophers have always been the brave citizens who expressed their emotions against a cosmological dictatorship you pretend to defend: God.
I highlight your own words: learn from all of those who develop critical thinking — javi2541997

Then one could be critical too about non-believers, who seek solace in science. I'm a physicist myself, and even a poet, writer, and artist. If there were no gods that had created the basic ingredients of the universe, to let it evolve into a temporal, but eternally repeating reflection of heaven and the eternal gods in it, all human activities would be devoid of reason and beauty. It would all be scientifically explainable, exactly as the sciences pretend to be able to. But they can't and even science itself, the investigation of the matter created by the gods, gets a load of wonder.

So I can tell you how pointless this question is, without instantly forgetting why I thought that as I unread your post. — Razorback kitten

The point is though, why I don't know about your answer before that backward memory disappears while reading your answer backwards. Why didn't the universe start at the end? The strange thing is that if the universe started as a wind up puppet and the unwinding is time, it doesn't feel like unwinding and this would actually be the case if it started at the end.

I really don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. It could be me though...

Being a moderator, he knows...

Transcendentalia

1. Verum/Satyam (truth)
2. Bonum (Good/Shivam)
3. Pulchrum (Beauty/Sundaram) — Agent Smith

Dear AS, maybe it's better to stick to your lemonade! :lol:

Although. Ethics, aesthetics, ontology!

This is why we invent religion or mystical ideas about existence instead of embracing more rational and logical conclusions based on the science we know so far. — Christoffer

BS, if you don't mind me saying. The "more rational and logical conclusions based on science" offer no solace, as gods are not invented but exist to resist exactly the scientific explanations. Science can't answer the reason for existence. Only gods supply us with pure ratio and reasin, and scientific explanations, useful as the are in the material domain, are the most irrational means for answering the question of the meaning of life.

If you want to join the SCIgod chosen then don't blaspheme!
SCIgod is physics — universeness

It actually stands for Simple Con Idea! :lol:
3mReplyOptions — universeness

Logical conclusion: physics=simpleconideagod! Forget your money! :lol:

Seek and ye shall find! :joke: — Agent Smith

Of course! Hillary Tingle!

Can you not distinguish between science that turns out to be wrong and complete woo woo that started off as woo woo and always will be woo woo? — universeness

Of course. But many scientists can't and will stick to the woo woo no matter what.

You have invented a space in-between scientific hypotheses, which have been accepted as 'possible' within the scientific community and complete woo woo BS. Is this where your polytheism lives? — universeness

You mean the woo woo of many worlds? No that's not where the gods live. They live outside the universe and comfartably, eeh, comfortably lay back and watch us.

If you want to join the SCIgod chosen then don't blaspheme!
SCIgod is physics — universeness

All hail to the SCIgod! Love that god! But it can't tell me nothing no more as far as elementary particles, spacetime, dark energy, dark matter, and quantum fields are concerned. But there is much more of course. Ill consider asking him questions for that ridiculously low price. And I don't wanna get lost in the dark eternally!

You are of the Orga and the Mathaphys.
Respect and live the SCIgodian life or be damned to your existence of eternal unsated wants and needs
Eternal awareness in the dark with no input stimuli forever — universeness

I respect Orga, Mathaphys, and even live the Pscigodian life! What awaits me in that case? Eternal awareness in the light with a lot of input?

We have not yet received your first payment and cannot progress your application until we do! — universeness

They can suck my eternal di... oops! :lol:

You mean your Peter Hillary Tingle! — Agent Smith

WTF is Hillary Tingle?

If you knew your phosophy better you would know that, in this conext, "infinite regress" refers to philosophy (argumentation) and not physics — 180 Proof

I know my phosophy! Phosophy is great fun. Infinite regres in argumentation, for example... Will it ever stop? Infinite, eternal arguing. I sign for it! :lol:

Truth has power as its fundamental quanta. Science searches for truth, theism settles for woo woo! — universeness

But that's up to the people and not for you to decide. And the truth in science of today might be the woowoo of tomorrow. You only have to look at the history of science to conclude that. If some discipline uses woowoo, it's science.

Then send your monthly subscription to your brothers and sisters, waiting for you here at your nearest SCIgodian branch. We are your true family or at least those who would love to become your family.
We can explain the physics you don't understand. Believe in us and we will save you from your impending self-aware eternal oblivion. The feeling of hunger that persists for eternity but is never sated, the thirst never quenched, the human needs never met. Just you alone, after death, In a dark immortal madness.
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You know it makes sense. — universeness

I don't need your SCIgod to know physics... The true gods already informed me about the stuff they used.. Sounds very attractive though, and the price is good! Better than the 4 dollar our friend Carroll asks to ask him a question of which you're not even sure of answer! I knew what I would choose for my money! :halo:

Translating words into deeds, that's the hard part — Agent Smith

But not the best part. Though fresh lemonata with crushed ice and pure honey or ahorn syrup is pretty good. Limoncello after it, and some pure high quality opium as dessert...

If life gives ya lemons, make lemonade! — Agent Smith

That's the best philosophy I have encountered! :grin:

I don't know if the wavefunction "constitutes space", but it potentially fills all of space — Gnomon

The hidden variables are the constitutes of space. Even with no real particles present, the hidden variables make them move reversibly, constituting primordial non-directional time structure, in a higher dimensional reality on which two mirror universes are pulled, emerge into real particle existence. Real thermodynamic time, real particles accompanied by hidden variables (the emergent space) moving irreversibly in the emergent space. Space offers a means for the particles to explore. Empty quantum space offers a means for interaction. The real particles couple to the virtual field and the hidden variables let them explore space (the hidden variables). Now, how can point particles couple? They can't. Only by making them spatially extended, a small Planck sized curled up volume in a higher dimensional space, they can interact.

Thanks for pointing me to the Genial Gene! A fresh breeze blowing in! Great!

The only ultimate answer to WHY (this universe, or existence) which does not beg the question is "obviously" that THERE IS NO WHY. Get over it — 180 Proof

If you knew your physics better, or maybe even some basics, you would know better. There is no infinite regress. Only a TD timeless state of the bulk quantum vacuum out of which two universes inflate periodically. I was over this already some time ago.