Ok, so you are having a sort of pain, muscle pain, for example. Muscle pain is my case. I think we are simple people dealing with suffering and are not narcissists at all.

I also respond to @180 Proof as well in this thread. He refused to answer my question, which was key to the discussion, calling it a non-sequitur!

I already discussed what I mean by equality through my conversation by @javi2541997. The thread is short so you can spot those posts quickly. If you wish, I can see if I can find more information than this discussion.

I lived life is not something one can learn though. — I like sushi

Life is a great teacher! Your knowledge is developed through your interaction with mental events. Uncertainty in life allows us to learn from our mistakes, so we face new things every day, including new challenges, which keep our minds engaged and entertained.

Not everyone gains much wisdom with age but I doubt no one gain any whatsoever. — I like sushi

Very correct!

A basic education can easily lead someone down a blind alley just as it can broaden horizons. Awareness of this is knowledge, whilst understanding it is ourselves who are certainly succumbing to blind alleys or overreaching beyond the horizon is where wisdom lies. — I like sushi

Philosophy of art, for example, is a branch of philosophy. Without an art training, you cannot philosophize about art.

Ironically it seems tha failiure is the only way to make any kind of progress in life. Bravery is learning to keep on keeping on. I believe this is why Sisyphus was regarded as the wisest of all. — I like sushi

Could you please provide a few short quotes from him?

Consciousness, to me, is a mental event. Mental events cannot be coherent on their own unless you can explain how a mental event at one point in time could cause a mental event related to the former event later!

Ok, so could you give an example of when you like suffering?

Do you like or dislike suffering?

I believe otherwise. I think consciousness is casual. However, it seems to me what I'm talking about here would apply either way. — Patterner

If matter is fundamental and moves according to the laws of nature, and consciousness is an emergent property from matter. Consciousness, therefore, cannot be causally efficacious because the motion of matter is determined!

I have a thread on "Physical cannot be the cause of its own change" here. So, the mind is fundamental; the mind is a substance with the ability to experience, freely decide when needed, and cause. It is the mind that causes change.

As we discussed in another thread of mine, I think suffering is something intrinsically human. Perhaps something that is very connected to the human condition. — javi2541997

I think other creatures, like animals, also suffer.

We only distinguish between physical and psychological to make boundaries, but the effect is the same. — javi2541997

By physical suffering, I mean a kind of suffering whose cause is physical, like when you cut your finger. Psychological suffering is otherwise. The effect is the same, namely suffering.

Suffering could be psychological or physical, so-called pain in the second case. It seems to me that you don't like suffering, pain, for example. That means that you have a good nature or you are a good creature.

So we are all bad. — Fire Ologist

I don't think so. The main reasons we make mistakes are a lack of education, genetics, and uncertainty about the future. We can only fix the education. Once that is done, there is nothing bad at all. I also don't think we're bad at all right now. We mainly lack education.

The roots of mistakes are the lack of education, genes, and uncertainty about what the very far future brings. We can only fix education.

but this violates your use of 'evil' as that would not be suffering. — AmadeusD

I think I should have used the word "like" instead of "enjoy" to avoid confusion: There are plenty of people who like evil, such as masochists.

I cannot see a reason beyond 'it's unpleasant' to label any given x 'evil'. — AmadeusD

If by unpleasant you mean dislike, then that couldn't be correct. I already illustrated in the OP what I mean by good and evil and what I mean by good and evil creatures.

This seems non sequitur. — AmadeusD

It is not. You are a good person, by a good person I mean that you prefer pleasure instead of suffering. You expressed that you don't like pain in your first post in this thread. Therefore, you could not be an evil creature.

Indeed, it is interesting to study each individual case!

I never denied the existence of good and evil: — Bob Ross

You do when you relate evil as privation of good. Good and evil are fundamental features of our experiences. We humans mostly prefer good over evil because of our genes. So we are biased.

I noted that goodness is real and evil is not real. — Bob Ross

Evil, of course, is real.

Evil is the privation of what is good: so it exists, but is not a member of reality. — Bob Ross

If something is not real, it cannot exist either, given the definition of real. So, I think you are contracting yourself.

It is a lacking of goodness; just like how darkness is not real but light is. — Bob Ross

There is no relation between evil and nonexistence.

It would be a hard situation, but I can't see if it is related to inequality. — javi2541997

Correct, it is hard! However, some people on the street might wish for a different life, might deserve a different life. Is there any social system to support such individuals? Equality is related to being in a situation you deserve.

Perhaps it is more connected to my personal circumstances which make me live on the street. In my humble opinion, I believe we should consider why I could end up living on the street rather than if it is a lack of inequality. Living on the street may be a personal decision to escape from reality rather than a cause of financial issues. — javi2541997

Equality does not mean that all people should be similar. Equality is about receiving the required income for all individuals so they can constantly contribute, constantly grow, etc.

I did. Please reread my post here.

Too many non sequitors ... — 180 Proof

A simple question cannot be a non-sequitur! The answer to that question is the key to understanding why equality is the goal. We have a dichotomy of just and unjust. Do you think that humans' lives are just? We have a dichotomy of equality and inequality as well. I think that just lives for humans is when there is equality. It seems that you think otherwise. You think that it is right that people live on the street.

He points to a familiar problem: We would like some sort of absolute knowledge, a View from Nowhere that will transcend “local interpretative predispositions.” But what if we accept the idea that science aims to provide that knowledge, and may be qualified to do it? What does that leave for philosophy to do? Williams says we should then regard philosophy as one of the social sciences, which do not attempt or claim that kind of transcendence. — J

The duty of philosophers is to formulate ideas, with the aim of finding absolute knowledge, and write them in a concise form. To do this, a basic training in the fields of science and art is required.

Don't you feel pain sometimes? We have two alignments namely, good and evil. Good and evil are also features of our experiences. How could you deny the existence of good and evil in our lives?

So many details left out of the OP. Do you believe (as I do) that "good" and "evil" are subjective descriptors? — LuckyR

Mind experiences. Good and evil are features of experiences.

If not, whose definition of the terms is the objectively correct one? — LuckyR

I would be happy to know if I am wrong somewhere.

In your experience, do most acts of "evil" occur because someone had a warped set of moral codes, say believing that murder is okay, or because of a failure to follow a standard set of moral codes, that is believing murder is wrong, but performing it anyway because of desiring the payoff if they did? — LuckyR

Killing a human in most cases is wrong, since life is the main property of an individual. There are cases where individuals require death assistance, like people with locked-in syndrome. In this case, it is allowed!

Why don't you answer my question?

2. God is perfectly good because His essence and esse are absolutely identical; — Bob Ross

We feel evil, it hurts us to the bone sometimes! Where does the evil come from if it is not a part of creation? Evil creatures like evil! So, the God you are arguing is false!

People on TPF often refuse the burden of proof, even when they obviously have it. When you start a thread promoting equality, then you are clearly the one who needs to defend your equality-claim. — Leontiskos

I already asked you a question that you didn't answer. That is the key to the discussion. So, I repeat the question: Do you like to live on the street and lose all the luxury that you have right now? Some people live on the street, and they apparently don't like it. This situation seems unjust. If it is, and we could not realize the reason for being just, then we have ignorance about the situation! We are, however, minds in the core, plain and simple. The question is, why should minds be treated differently? We could believe in the Divinities, saying things are just for a reason, but just humans are ignorant of it. Why should humans be kept in ignorance? Do you have an answer to the last question?

I am wondering why you like @180 Proof post. Do you like to live on the street?

You made the statement so you should answer for it: why "the goal should be equality for humans"? — 180 Proof

I invite you to reread and rethink my last post. Think of a situation in which you are living on the street.

Why? — 180 Proof

So you think that inequality in humanity is right? Someone starves to death while others enjoy the wealth! Each person is unique and has the potential to grow. Is that proper to leave such a potential in poverty?

Very correct!

That seems to run against the definition, and practical use of 'evil'. — AmadeusD

Humans are mostly inclined toward good, prefer good over evil. There are plenty of people who enjoy evil, such as masochists.

It seems a descriptor for that which is particularly unpleasant in an arbitrary manner. — AmadeusD

I don't think so. Do you mind elaborating after reading this post?

Could you outline how you're using 'evil' here? I don't think many would recognize it. — AmadeusD

Depending on the person you are, you are a good person, you only enjoy/like good experiences. I don't know why you are suffering.

So you would claim that evil creatures like suffering and dislike pleasure? — Leontiskos

Correct.

Do you want to maybe qualify this? I suffer every morning when I put my body under immense pressure to achieve a better body. — AmadeusD

Experiencing evil is not a bad thing per se. I am not in your position, so I cannot judge why your suffering is unpleasant to you. Suffering is not unpleasant to me. There is, of course, a reason for that if you start believing that they might be creatures in charge of Judging us that we are not aware of.

Mind, substance and stuff are made of strings? — ucarr

The Mind is a substance that is omnipresent in spacetime and holds material in the form of strings in existence (I have a thread on this topic here).

Strings are the foundation of all material things, right? — ucarr

Correct, but minds are not material. I already provided an argument about "Physical cannot be cause of its own change", so we are dealing with substance dualism at least.

I would suggest that mysticism is the only way to fully understand ourselves. This is because it endeavours to develop understanding not simply through the intellect, but also through the body, through being and through growth. — Punshhh

Very correct!

Thus enabling a more holistic, or 3 dimensional (by analogy) perspective. — Punshhh

What do you mean by this?

Also I would suggest that fully understanding anything, other than abstract concepts is not possible. Because it would require an understanding of the whole context in which it resides. Something which we are not in a position to do. — Punshhh

Perhaps we can do it someday. Deities, perhaps, are practicing this!

To address your question about AI and subjectivity. I don’t see why subjectivity, or anything else a human brain does can’t be modelled. But subjectivity etc is not the same as consciousness, which is something present in living organisms. Resulting from biological processes, rather than computation in the nervous system. Just like the robot in Star Trek, known as Data, AI can conceivably be programmed to perform anything a human can do, but it simply isn’t conscious. It’s a machine carrying out preordained processes. — Punshhh

Matter is an environment that allows minds to interact. Matter does not do any process since it cannot even cause a change in itself. Those are minds that do the process over the information that is held in the stuff, matter, for example.

Your experience is a perfect example of what I argued on this thread. Your intellectual property was stolen by another person, and it was published with his name instead of yours. You could hire a lawyer and send him a lawsuit. But we the humans also have a soul, and we suffer from what we experience. It is not "Bah. Nothing really matters. Time would help me to overcome this and bla bla." — javi2541997

I recovered from the depression, and now I am at peace! Forgiving is forgetting!

The human condition is miserable and horrible. In most cases, it is only showing the worst part of all of us. Now, you can't say to me to only focus on the nice aspects of life or contemplate a gorgeous garden. I was talking about children suffering, but you also brought another good example. People are greedy. They steal things from others. Didn't you ever ask yourself why that happened in the first place? If I were you, I would have lost confidence in people. — javi2541997

We have not evolved well enough. I think humans will be alright in the future.

I don't think a psychiatrist can help us in that way. Do you know why? Because the malice of some folks is incomprehensible. And what do you expect to do? To go to a doctor with the aim of convincing me to better focus on the beautiful side of life and leave behind the negative aspects? Sure, I can go to a garden and contemplate the gorgeous flowers, but your intellectual property was stolen, and a child is suffering abuse somewhere. — javi2541997

Correct! In my case, rTMS didn't help. ECT made my depression the worst! I did it all by myself. And I recovered. I hope that you find peace!

I suppose it's because we humans are more beasts than angels – human, all too human. Besides, the player never "deserves" the hand s/he's dealt ... — 180 Proof

I think we haven't evolved well enough.

Oh, sure. No one which suffers with mental issues would disagree with that, I think. That's rather the point of talking about it. — Moliere

Peace on you!

But I would like to find out philosophy and ideas to face depression. I don't want to know why we experience depression in our lives. — javi2541997

Depression could be due to mental and physical abuse. For example, in my case, one of my boos stole my intellectual properties and published them in his name. This certainly was an abuse of power. I was under spiritual torture as well, which I think was just. We humans are unjust; certainly, we need to evolve further!

I already accepted that this comes and goes sooner or later. — javi2541997

Discussing your situation with a psychiatrist might be helpful.

I believe it is key to try to live with this mental condition. — javi2541997

I don't think so. A better mental state is the state of peace.

"You're on Earth. There's no cure for that."
~Samuel Beckett, Endgame — 180 Proof

Why do you think that humans cannot find peace? Why are they not wise enough to judge properly the situation, so everybody gets what they deserve?

Depression is evil. It is a sort of experience that you cannot explain to others who have never experienced it. Evil is a feature of reality; good is another feature. Good and evil are fundamental and necessary. Why a person experiences depression is the subject of discussion!