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E = mc²I don't know why anyone would multiply a mass by a speed and then by a speed again. — flannel jesus
Yeah man, I hear what you're saying, but you're sorta talking past me. I mean, think of it like this:
Who needs to know what x and y are, when you say something like: x = y + 3
Do you really need to know what x and y are in that case?
And if your answer is "yes", then consider this other formula: a = a,
Or this other one: a = b
Do you really need to know what they mean? No, you don't. a = a is T, while a = b can be T or F.
And if I say "it is not the case that a=a", then I can represent that as "not a=a", or I can even say something like !(a=a), or maybe a!=a, or stuff like that. Or maybe ¬a=a. It doesn't matter, all of those are F, because contradictions are always F, tautologies are always T, and contingencies can be either T or F.
Again, why is it that you don't understand it? That question makes no sense, because you do understand it!
So why are you giving me such a tough time with Einstein's formula? It's a super basic formula, what's your actual difficulty with it? You don't need to understand it, it's just a formula! -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
That's what we call a little bit of humor. — flannel jesus
"we" as in "who"? You and me?
Do you know what it means to multiply a mass by a speed, twice? What does it mean? Not numerically, conceptually. Why would you ever multiply a mass by a speed twice? — flannel jesus
Why don't you tell me?
Most people intuit why you would multiply a Time by a Speed. That makes intuitive sense. Why a mass? — flannel jesus
Again, why don't you tell me? -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
So you know what it means to multiply a mass by a speed, twice? Can you explain it to me? — flannel jesus
I already told you the procedure: 1) solve the square of c, then multiply that by m. It's not that difficult.
I know what it means to multiply a Time by a Speed. — flannel jesus
I'm all ears.
If you have a car going x miles per hour, you can multiply that by the number of hours they were going that speed to find out how many miles they travelled. I get the meaning of that deeply. — flannel jesus
Sounds great.
I don't know what it means to multiply a mass by a speed, twice. Do you? — flannel jesus
I've already said my piece about this, flannel jesus. -
E = mc²I tried to ask chat gpt, what does it mean to multiply mass by a speed and then by a speed again? Chat gpt gave a very illuminating answer:
A network error occurred. Please check your connection and try again. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com. — flannel jesus
Artificial Intelligence is not Human Intelligence. This surprises you, somehow? -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
Right, and you could also believe that 勾股定理 has been corroborated many times. — flannel jesus
But you told me not to look it up. Why would you even give me such a bizarre instruction to begin with?
You could even believe that without understanding what 勾股定理 means. — flannel jesus
Why would I even do that? If I don't know what it means, then the only sensible thing to do is to find out what it means. But you told me not to do that. So how could I know what it means?
You could have read text books that communicate the verified truthiness of 勾股定理 and come to accept it as a scientific fact — flannel jesus
But you told me not to do that, so how could I?
even without knowing what it means, right? — flannel jesus
No, that's not how science works. At all. -
E = mc²Yes, I did. Einstein's formula has been experimentally corroborated many times.
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E = mc²Are you sure about this? — Arcane Sandwich
Not entirely, no — flannel jesus
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E = mc²Which is why I asked you to try to believe 勾股定理. If you were able to do that, I believe that would be a similar kind of belief to your belief that e = mc2. — flannel jesus
And I asked you, if is a fair reconstruction of your argument, and you said . -
E = mc²You couldn't devise an experiment to detect if it were true, — flannel jesus
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E = mc²PS I'm actually not trying to shame you. If you don't fully understand what it means to multiply mass by a speed, that's fine, that opens up a really interesting conversation *that I think is worth having*. Your'e allowed to not have a deep conceptual understanding of it, AND you're allowed to think it's true anyway. That's worth talking about. There's no shame in that, I just want to figure out if that's the situation we're in. I'm not criticizing you, just discussing. — flannel jesus
It's all good dawg. -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
Okay, what's it's actual meaning? — flannel jesus
I already told you its actual meaning. It's in the OP:
It means:
"Energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared." — Arcane Sandwich
What does it mean for energy to equal mass times the speed of light squared? — flannel jesus
It means the following, first and foremost:
E = (mc2)
What's changed? You introduce brackets "(", ")". Why? because it allows you say the following:
Something, "E", in this case, is equal to something else: "(mc2)", in this case. It's a basic algebraic formula: a = b.
What does it mean to multiply mass times the speed of light at all? — flannel jesus
That part is, first and foremost, a mathematical formula by itself. It has the following form:
x . y2
First you calculate y2, then you multiply x by y.
What does it mean to multiply mass times the speed of light, and then multiply it times the speed of light again? — flannel jesus
I already told you how I would proceed: you first calculate the speed of light squared, "c2", and then you multiply that by "m".
How would the universe be different if energy wasn't equal to mass times the speed of light timees the speed of light? — flannel jesus
How is that question relevant to E = mc2?
What if energy was mass times the speed of light cubed? — flannel jesus
Again, how is that question relevant to E = mc2?
Does that have meaning? — flannel jesus
I don't know, you tell me.
What would that mean? — flannel jesus
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E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
Right, so you don't want to accept the truth of something you don't understand. — flannel jesus
I'm not sure if that's how I'd phrase it, but whatever.
Interesting. — flannel jesus
Why would you find that interesting, if such was the case?
So when I asked you, "what does it mean to say e = mc2 is true?", I'm looking for some UNDERSTANDING from you about the actual meaning of e=mc2. — flannel jesus
Well, I already told you my understanding of it, it's in the Original Post:
It means:
"Energy is equal to mass times the speed of light squared." — Arcane Sandwich
And maybe you think it's true without understanding it. — flannel jesus
No, I think it's true regardless. It doesn't matter if I understand it or not.
There's a way to make sense of that too. — flannel jesus
I'm all ears.
Is that the situation your'e in? — flannel jesus
No, it isn't, but please be my guest, and tell me why you think I'm wrong, about my own Original Post. I say that as the Original Poster of this specific Thread.
Do you think e=mc2 is true without understanding any actual meaning of e=mc2? — flannel jesus
No, I don't. I think it's true because I understand it's actual meaning. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekend↪Christoffer
Yeah. Though I probably won't post much. After I've spent my pent up energy from being neutral for a decade. — fdrake
Hey, hey! I'm a True Neutral on the D&D alignment chart. Always have, always will be! :sparkle: -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
I'm going to give you a bunch of symbols that, presumably, you don't understand. Your first instruction is to NOT LOOK THEM UP. Okay? Don't google, don't use a translation software, nothing. Just look at them on screen and accept that you don't understand them.
勾股定理
Now, your second instruction is this: BELIEVE ME. Understand that, despite the fact that you don't know what it means, I'm telling you something that is true to people who do understand those symbols.
And I really am, by the way. Those symbols represent a truth whether you understand them or not. I'm not tricking you. — flannel jesus
Ok, but given the above set of instructions and nothing else, how do I know that you're not tricking me?
Can you follow the above instructions? 1. Don't look it up, and 2. Believe me that it represents something true to people who understand the symbols?
And please confirm that you don't understand the symbols. This won't work if you actually do lol. — flannel jesus
No, I don't understand them, I don't read any Asian language. I know at least that much. By looking at them further, they could be Japanese, or Korean, or Chinese. Or perhaps they're from Southeast Asia. They could be Mongolian for all I know. Maybe even Russian. See my point? -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
I actually have an interesting experiment to kind of get at what I'm saying here, if you're interested to learn what I mean. You want to play along and try something with me? I'll ask you to follow a few steps and to trust me. What I'm saying isn't meant to be dismissive, nor meaningless - I actually think there's something at least moderately philosophically meaningful in what I'm saying here, though it might not be easy for me to express why, but if you try this experiment you might understand it a bit more directly.
You up for an experiment? — flannel jesus
Ok, sure, why not? -
E = mc²I simply asked what he means. I'm not saying "there is no meaning". I AM saying, "IF there is no understood meaning of e = mc2 THEN there is no difference between E = mc2 and Garbledy bombley goo"
It's a conditional. — flannel jesus
But that's what premise (2) says:
(2) If so, then: if it is not necessarily the case that "Garbledy bombley goo" is T, then it is not necessarily the case that E = mc2 is T. — Arcane Sandwich
There are people in the world for whom e = mc2 has a specific meaning. For those people, E = mc2 and Garbledy bombley goo are not equivalent. Is OP one of those people? — flannel jesus
I am the OP. I don't know if I'm one of those people or not. Why don't you tell me? -
E = mc²"Garbledy bombley goo", however... I can't. I'm not sure what someone means when they say it's true.
E = mc2 also. I'm not sure what you mean when you say you think it's true. — flannel jesus
Is the following a fair reconstruction of your argument? Let's start with that.
(1) There is no ontologically significant difference between E = mc2 and "Garbledy bombley goo".
(2) If so, then: if it is not necessarily the case that "Garbledy bombley goo" is T, then it is not necessarily the case that E = mc2 is T.
(3) It is not necessarily the case that "Garbledy bombley goo" is T.
(4) So, it is not necessarily the case that E = mc2 is T.
Is that your point? If not, then what is it? -
E = mc²↪Arcane Sandwich
What do you mean when you say you think it's "true"? — flannel jesus
I mean that I think that it has a truth value (T, F) of "T". -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekend
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fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendSo, fdrake, you wanna tell me why you're not passionate about Mathematics anymore? — Arcane Sandwich
I just don't care about big number, because big number is big is boring. — fdrake
Hmmm... but that just begs the question: what is not boring, then? -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendSo, @fdrake, you wanna tell me why you're not passionate about Mathematics anymore?
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fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekend↪Arcane Sandwich
I'm not sure why, but I'm afraid now. See? Moderation is riskier than we imagined. — javi2541997
To me it's nothing. I'm a blue belt in brazilian jiu jitsu. I'm ready to die right now, I don't give a fuck.
I wholeheartedly trust you, mate. — javi2541997
I trust you too, friend. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendWe are talking about volunteers, not bankers. :rofl: — javi2541997
Javi, I consider you a friend. So, please let me give you some advice: that joke that you just made there, could get you killed IRL. Not by me, obviously. But, if you made that joke in New York City, to an Italian, you might get killed. I should know, part of my heritage is Italian.
I'm not trying to scare you, Javi. I'm just giving you some advice. Italians won't take it easy on you just because you're Spanish.
Trust Me Bro. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendPhilosophy of Religion? An interesting topic, indeed. But my knowledge doesn't go beyond Kierkegaard or Hegel. Very basic. That's why I appreciate the guts of those who volunteer to moderate! — javi2541997
Yeah, maybe. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekend↪Arcane Sandwich
I have never thought of being a moderator on anything. — javi2541997
Well, if you want to be a moderator, you have to think about it! You can't just wait for the admins of a forum to approach you and say "hey javi, wanna take time our of your weekly schedule to work for free as a forum moderator?" It's like, they can't ask you to do that. Not because it's unlawful (it isn't) or illegal (it isn't), but rather because it's not polite. It's not polite to ask people to work for free. That's why you have to volunteer. And, arguably, for legal reasons, you have to do it explicitly. Stated differently, you make an explicit request. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendThe true form of the shitpost — fdrake
Please let me stop you right there, Drake. There is no such thing as "the true form of the shitpost". Why? Because "shitposts" (whatever that means) do not have a "form" (whatever that means).
is that which leaves what is stated unstated and what is unstated stated. — fdrake
That sounds like nonsense. -
Thus Spoke Zarathustrawhat someone says is never wrong
See, here's the problem. I disagree with that. On principle. It just sounds false, to my ear, at least. Do you agree with it yourself? Or do you share my intuition about it? And if you do, are you under the impression that our intuitions are unreliable in that case? Because they're certainly unreliable in the case of garden path sentences, for example. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendI ended up mentally exhausted. My aim was just to keep the contest up on an optimal level. I care a lot about the contest, but caring is not the only important feature. If I take personally the way some folks treat the short stories or the contest itself, I couldn't be a good mod because my attitude is obviously biased. — javi2541997
Right, so maybe Philosophy of Art is not the best topic for you to moderate, then. Have you considered moderating Philosophy of Religion? Maybe your skills and talents and knowledge would be better suited for moderating that general topic. -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendI consider you as my friend too. But I don't want to act like I am a shepherd and you my loyal mastiff. — javi2541997
Well, mastiffs are horrendous. My favorite animal is the Ant-Eater.
, do you mind if I post a funny video about a guy that dedicated his life to studying Ant-Eaters? Would everyone else mind? -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendBecause you can't shitpost without appearing to be somewhat sincere. — fdrake
Do I agree with this? I'm not sure. What do you mean by that? -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendOk, but why didn't you just say that, to begin with, then?
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fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendI mean, you can write "Graham's Number", I just did that. You can even remove the scare quotes, like so: Graham's Number. But my point is that this isn't Graham's Number itself. Graham's Number Itself requires, by definition, an amount of matter to even write it as a numeral, that there is not enough matter in the universe to do that. I mean, consider the series of single-digit integers:
The set of the series of single-digit integers = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}
If you (or anyone else) wants to write Graham's Number, or TREE(3), using the set defined above, then there's not enough matter in the universe to do that.
That's why we simply call them "Graham's Number", or "TREE(3)".
Do you agree or disagree with me on that, Drake? It has nothing to do with skill. Right? -
fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendBut you can't. No one can. That's the point of these gargantuan numbers.
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fdrake stepping down as a mod this weekendThanks ↪fdrake
You're an excellent forum moderator, one of the best I've ever seen!
(Edited because I removed a music video) — Arcane Sandwich
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