Sorry, there is no maybe here, not a total illusion. What if I tell you that nostalgia is an involuntary information retrieval, manifested not as touch, smell, sound -- but like a secondary bacterial infection, for lack of a better word -- after exposure to sense data of touch, smell, sound?It may be a total illusion, and maybe that feeling is just a more complex emotion working unconsciously. — Noble Dust
Now, I wonder if these feelings are a mental representation, too; so, when I imagine myself feeling nostalgic — Daniel
Pie charts are much easier to understand, because the are based 100% and split into parts equivalent to the percentages. Have you ever tried to create a pie where subgroups appear in several places in the chart? — Sir2u
The sense data of the ocean, a turntable, or an ice cream shop may contribute to the feeling of nostalgia, which may be better described as a socially constructed emotion concept than a mental representation. Mental representation like the smell of the ocean are independent of emotion concepts and any sort of social consensus. — praxis
Well, the same way others feel when experiencing nostalgia -- happy, familiar place or object. Or just a longing of something positive that I've experienced in the past. But if we actually think about it, nostalgia is a different representation than just the quality of a place or object, such as the sound and smell of the ocean, an old turntable, or even an ice cream shop. These objects cannot contain "nostalgia" nor can they produce nostalgia.So, I'd like to ask you, what do you feel when you think of nostalgia? What is it represented by? — Daniel
↪SophistiCat I am not great at math nor statistics, but I don't think there are 222% of users here in the forum. :smirk: — Sir2u
Yes you are. Nostalgia is a mental representation that's not represented by any of the things you associate with it -- happy, longing, past. I'm sure there will be objection to this, but let's dissect it.↪praxis and is every mental representation in the form of images or "sounds" made by my inner voice? or am I missing some other type of mental representation? — Daniel
Did that answer what you were looking for? — Philosophim
Af far as I can see, you're the only one that don't understand typical use of "value" (e.g., as in variables that may take values, like some/any proposition p in non-contradiction ¬(p ∧ ¬p)). I suppose, if you don't even (want to) try, then so be it. — jorndoe
Call it "being a troll" if you like. I look at it as a trivial matter. The problem is that the difference needed to be pointed out, because fishfry kept insisting that the very same thing is represented on the left side as the right side of the equation. — Metaphysician Undercover
You mean it doesn't make the states stable or uniform. Determinism is commutative, but results can be unstable or changeable.AFAIK the Schrodinger equation's time evolution is deterministic, but that doesn't make the states deterministic. — fdrake
But which came first: the idea or the visualization? — frank
Yeah.I don't think we have anything either. Or, to put it more precisely, if we have alien stuff, then I think the zoo hypothesis solution to the Fermi Paradox is right, to the point that we're being deceived about the universe on a massive scale. — RogueAI
Nobody as of yet have proven core moral claims using provable (and proved), descriptive claims. — MadWorld1
What? I wasn't suggesting a conspiracy... — Banno
What? First, how does one fake this kind of ginormous interconnection of markets and populations?Suppose the the market is not in a state of equilibrium, but has been treated as if it were... would the resulting instability look like a series of booms, followed by busts? — Banno
Is boom and bust the issue, or inequity? — Banno
Economic growth comes from innovation and increased complexity, not the quantity of money. — Banno
What if?.....We use science to find the cause of a harmful action and dismiss highly subjective claims in favour of objective facts? — Bert Newton
Neoliberal assumptions that are false:
the market is an efficient equilibrium system
the price of something is always equal to its value
we are all perfectly selfish, perfectly rational and relentlessly self-maximizing. — Banno
Should we accept less evidence (e.g. weaker research studies) if they support what we already believe? Or is this just giving in to confirmation bias? — Ed Davis
Suppose I muster the courage to say, "My mind is absolutely unreliable". How would I proceed from there? Perhaps I can rely on someone else's mind. — Wheatley
So if balance seems like the guiding hand in the universe, is it something to believe in? — DanielP
True, I think. He wasn't a fan of conformity -- he thought society should be one big lab for experimentation, if I remember correctly.Mill was disparaging of the crowd - he was no friend of social thought and he was as much as intellectual progenitor to the atomization and destitution of society as any other liberal thinker. — StreetlightX
What do you think? Is this argument flawed? — Matias
This contradicts the domain. Physics has building blocks upon which future experiments rely on.physics would still fail to comprehend human purpose and hence would provide a causally incomplete description of the real world around us. This situation is characterized by the self-referential incompleteness of physics: there is no theory or experiment that can determine what will be the next experiment to be undertaken by the experimenter or theory to be created by the theorist." — Matias
This sounds like happy hour with lots of drinking happening! It's true, too."In that density, where there is scarcely any space between, and body presses against body, each man is as near the other as he is to himself, and an immense feeling of relief ensues. It is for the sake of this blessed moment, when no-one is greater or better than another, that people become a crowd". — StreetlightX
Yes, you can say that.Is this what you mean by asking of opinions? Rather I have presented opinion as action. Is this along the same lines of your thinking ? — Fruitless
Is this an accurate description? — Fruitless
What more can we ask in addition to the seven basic question of what, why, who, where, when, which and how? — Fruitless
Hume's claim that the external world cannot be demonstrated? Okay, let's indulge on this.No, philosophers were unable to refute Hume's claim that the external world cannot be demonstrated. — Ron Cram
No you're not. But your teachers must have told you so.I think you are trying to draw too fine a distinction here. When you see motion, you are looking at kinetic energy. — Ron Cram
Refute what? That induction is unjustified? They all joined him on this!Yes, it did freak out a bunch of philosophers and no one knew how to refute him. — Ron Cram
Irrational in what way? And why would a philosopher add to our knowledge all the time instead of just invalidating what we're accustomed to already? Skeptics do this and we take it for granted! And yes they are philosophers, just so you know.But Hume's idea was still completely irrational. He did not add to our philosophical knowledge because he was wrong and I can prove it. — Ron Cram
If you're not convinced there's nothing of value in one's philosophy that claims our understanding based on our observation cannot be justified, then that's your opinion. But Hume had made a statement that's deceptively simple it freaked the heck out of the entire caboodle of philosophers.I've read it very closely and can find absolutely nothing of value in it. His idea that our observations are just in our mind and that we cannot know if objects external to our mind exist or if they exist when we are not looking at them is completely irrational and leads to absurdities. — Ron Cram
Correct.What do you mean when you say we can observe kinetic energy being transferred? We can observe the first ball strike the second ball followed by the second ball moving. But you'd observe the same thing if you were watching an animation of pool balls. We can only observe phenomena, but not the reasons behind phenomena. Reasons are not available to our senses, only to our intellects. So I think proving that one pool ball causes the second to move would require a logical proof and not just an appeal to experience. — Dusty of Sky
What is the scale of anything without anything relative to it. Is there absolute scale? — schopenhauer1
:razz:To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?
The what? — Maw
I find references to the Matrix like it mattered to be extremely irritating. — Bitter Crank
I don't think we ascribe responsibility to the process of "understanding". It happens, or not. But convincing is a task, the responsibility of which falls on the writer -- that is, it is the writer's responsibility to convince the reader of the value or truth of his ideas.If I wrote something, and you don't understand it - does the responsibility of understanding not ultimately rest with you? — Shamshir