Do you think that an attempt for forgiveness meant a regret on part of the person seeking this forgiveness? — TimeLine

Why did the U.S go into Iraq, no commies, or strategic oil there?
Did this light the fuse in the Middle East and since then it's been a fire fighting exercise? — Punshhh

Indeed Kierkegaard's whole corpus can be regarded as an attempt to justify himself. — Agustino

Indeed, Plato is the greatest mythmaker, precisely because he understood the value of myths and the limits of human discourse. — Mariner

What will be discovered is that Trump did not collude with the Russians — Hanover

Isn't the obvious modern correlate of "final cause" "purpose"? — Srap Tasmaner

That's how I feel about the girl though: What's she doing there?

The corporate style campaign that commissioned the girl was trying to promote feminism. Perhaps the bull represents the evil patriarchy, and hence the girl makes sense, but I don't think so.

Let's discuss it publicly though, and if it means that much to us let's let our public representatives and local officials know how we feel about it and what we think the monument ought to portray. If it was really that big of a deal, we could even have a series of votes to settle it! — VagabondSpectre

Now however it begins to look as if the USA has seriously abdicated. China and the EU under Merkel may be deciding they can steer the ship. Can there really be 3 1/2 years of US political paralysis ahead of us? Or isolationism which even the old poodle Great Britain can't say Woof to? — mcdoodle

Just to be clear, it was the decision of whoever put the statue there that was impertinent -- or rude. Isn't that what the dispute in NYC is about? Was it rude or clever to add the girl statue to the platform on which the bull rested? — Bitter Crank

Poseidon doesn't figure very large in the public imagination, these days. — Bitter Crank

I thought that placing the girl figure in front of the bull figure was impertinent. On its own, the girl figure has much less aesthetic and symbolic value than the bull figure. The girl figure was enhanced merely because of the juxtaposition, and the bull was devalued for the same reason. — Bitter Crank

The bull is an old symbol of a confident up-market. It isn't about male-female interaction or women's progress in Corporate America. (The opposite symbol of a bull market isn't a cow market, it's an equally powerful bear market.) If the artist wished to affirm that womanhood in the corporate suites is powerful, then the girl figure would have best been placed facing a doorway into a corporate palace--of which New York City has a few thousand. — Bitter Crank

Why should public art "reflect the contemporary story"? I take that to mean: repeat platitudes. — jamalrob

Well, if you are asking about the idea of "supernaturality", then it has been from the beginning associated with divinity, since deities were pretty much defined as being immortal (i.e. beyond the realm of birth -- and death). — Mariner

It is obvious once you think of it, there can't be language referring to the supernatural before there has been a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, and this distinction will always take the form of a retreat of the gods, since the original viewpoint of mankind was one in which deities interacted with non-deities constantly. — Mariner

It is true, it seems, that the labels we put on things are not what that things "actually is". — darthbarracuda