That's a non-significant difference - 22% vs 18%. — Agustino

more at peace with themselves — Agustino

Harry Hindu asked "Why do we find it okay to tell the religious that they believe in a delusion, but not okay to tell this to a transgender?".

You responded "Because they are a treasure of victim points for the Left. So we must rationalise and intellectualise a case...". So I guess you did actually describe transgender people as deluded by telling Harry that the only reason we don't label them as such is because of rationalization among leftists. — VagabondSpectre

The fact that you "don't mind this strawman" (read: I agree with this position but i didn't actually say that" strongly indicates that I have accurately interpreted and represented your position in this thread. — VagabondSpectre

It's just that when you morally approve of allowing someone to dress as the opposite gender you're indulging their mental disorder in the same way that someone who says to an anorexic person "you are right, you are fat, stop eating" is indulging anorexia. — VagabondSpectre

You realize that we don't treat people with different mental disorders the same way right? — VagabondSpectre

What is your idea of indulging? — Benkei

So for example, not permitting someone to dress as the opposite gender, right? To do so would be indulging them in their mental disorder after all, and we shouldn't do that... Right? — VagabondSpectre

If by "indulging the delusion" you mean installing sex-change booths on every corner and handing out pez-hormone dispensers to children, then I really don't know why you bothered to post in this thread in the first place; nobody here is disagreeing with that. — VagabondSpectre

But given that you opened by describing transgendered people as deluded victim trophies of the left, cited raw statistics (a common tactic of the regressive left you seem to know so well) indicating that sexual reassignment surgery is associated with risks such as increased suicidal behavior, and proceeded to equate transsexualism itself with anorexia (beause they're both in the DSM!), mental retardation and suicide, perhaps why you can see why I'm confused as to your actual position. — VagabondSpectre

So essentially what you're saying is that sometimes transgenderism, a mental disorder, should be indulged? — VagabondSpectre

How do we treat someone as if they have a mental disorder? — VagabondSpectre

In the 50's our society used this line of reasoning to castrate homosexuals. We thought that since homosexuality was as bad as chopping off limbs and death by starvation, we went to heinous lengths to try and end it. — VagabondSpectre

Or are you just saying that since transitioning genders is an impactful decision, we should not let anyone make that decision alone? — VagabondSpectre

So when doctors perform sex change operations on individuals who have, with outside assistance, decided to transition, they are comitting an evil act? — VagabondSpectre

I should judge that Hume and our present‑day ethicists had done a considerable service by showing that no content could be found in the notion "morally ought"; if it were not that the latter philosophers try to find an alternative (very fishy) content and to retain the psychological force of the term. It would be most reasonable to drop it. It has no reasonable sense outside a law conception of ethics; they are not going to maintain such a conception; and you can do ethics without it, as is shown by the example of Aristotle. It would be a great improvement if, instead of "morally wrong," one always named a genus such as "untruthful," "unchaste," "unjust." We should no longer ask whether doing something was "wrong," passing directly from some description of an action to this notion; we should ask whether, e.g., it was unjust; and the answer would sometimes be clear at once. — Anscombe

You're comparing death by starvation to "behaving as the opposite gender". Obviously nutritional health is more cut and dried than psychological health; your comparison is poor. — VagabondSpectre

Who are we dealing with? — VagabondSpectre

We should never indulge anyone with a mental disorder, and transgenderism is a disorder, therefore never indulge any transgender people? — VagabondSpectre

what should we do to help them? — VagabondSpectre

Transsexuals can in fact successfully transition, with or without an actual operation, and so I remain thoroughly convinced that your suggestion that their dangerous ailment should never be indulged is not at all universally sound medical advice. — VagabondSpectre

You can question the efficacy of the profession but questioning their moral character says more about you than anything else. — Benkei

To give a bit of clarification on that 41% number, while the methodology of the study I'm guessing you've cited (linked by EmptyHeady?) was not so robust in the it was an almost wholly uncontrolled method of sampling with a smallish sample size to begin with (they had a small budget and it's probably hard to gather statistical data on a socially rare phenomenon) — VagabondSpectre

To answer the question: nothing — Benkei

I would like to know how consistent people are in this. Why do we find it okay to tell the religious that they believe in a delusion, but not okay to tell this to a transgender? — Harry Hindu

it doesn't state what that punishment is — Michael

Did you take into account the size of the Muslim population of each country? — Michael

Do they really? Could you point me towards the poll that was taken? — Michael

instead I think it is because writing is hard and people are just generally not very good at it. — Jeremiah

If you want to place it at conception, fine. — Bitter Crank