Much better to give because you care, not because you are playing a game quid pro quo.
— Wheatley
There's a third option, which is that you give out of a feeling of obligation because it's your duty. I'd submit that is the highest option and the one you summarily reject. — Hanover
Well, according to the ancient Greeks, Frankie's doxic noncommital - "lack of belief" in g/G - is ἄθεος (atheos), or in contemporary parlance: atheism. :yikes: — 180 Proof
I take your silly perfect Chinese Ming vases and I raise you the Japanese art of Kintsugi:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintsugi — Artemis
Maybe we could get alcontali to explain further. — frank
I think alcontali was justifying it by pointing to scholars. That's appropriate. Is alcontali trying to convert us all to Islam? — frank
You were asking for scripture. — frank
I am quite happy to toss a few extra coins in the hat to cover for you, not because I expect anything particular in return. But because I want to live in a community where there is schooling and health care for everyone, where I can pass people in the street and share a smile.And because I am confident that what goes around comes around. And because I can. And because I know other people do the same. And because other people have covered for me in the past. — A Seagull
I would make a bet with anyone that a trip to a mall...asking Mr. or Ms. Everyman to hear MY take...and ask: Is that a theist, atheist or agnostic...the overwhelming vote would be for agnostic. — Frank Apisa
So is the OP's confusion - for charity's sake, ignore his tediously repetitive argumentum ad populum - contagious?
Have I / we caught it too? — 180 Proof
The argument that since society provides me with benefits, it wouldn't be right if I provided nothing in return, is complete bullshit. — Wheatley
The only reason why I would do anything for society is because I care about other people, not because there is any moral obligation because there isn't. — Wheatley
1) Lack a "belief" that any gods exist
2) Lack a "belief" that no gods exist
3) Do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to make a meaningful guess in either direction
and 4) DO NOT MAKE A GUESS IN EITHER DIRECTION... — Frank Apisa
I am an agnostic who has clearly stated my agnostic position...and anyone supposing I am a closet theists is just being an asshole. — Frank Apisa
One way of imposing your will on another is to argue with their point of view and convince them that they’re wrong. — Brett
And if someone was morally contemptible, a paedophile for instance, then why wouldn’t anyone try to impose their will on that person? — Brett
I don’t think it necessarily means it’s morally admirable. — Brett
In that sense, the problem of power abuse is mostly caused by people who refuse to take revenge, — alcontali
As far as I am concerned, you are allowed to "impose your will upon another" — alcontali
I put up an OP then wonder why I did it, the responsibility. — Brett
and agreement just kills an OP. — Brett
Sometimes I wonder if it is philosophy or just the damned internet; another addiction. — Brett
Is my judgement better than most because I have so much experience? — Qwex
Are there lesser and greater judges of art? — Qwex
Anyway, I listen to all genres, classical - rap - metal - this is the best I've come across. — Qwex
Its etymology CLEARLY indicates it was meant to denote “being without a god” (not being without a “belief” in a god)…and that was the use of the word throughout history. (Until debating atheists got hold of it.) — Frank Apisa
This nonsense (insistence by some atheists) that anyone lacking a belief (in) god is an atheist…is an insult to reason and logic. — Frank Apisa
I hope that's a little "fuck you" to the DNC and the media. — Xtrix
FiveThirtyEight predicts that the fuckup of Iowa (or a hypothetical election where Iowa didn't happen) actually boosts Biden's chances:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/iowa-might-have-screwed-up-the-whole-nomination-process/ — Pfhorrest
Your criticism of Sheakspeare's work is divorced from reality and it's focus on plot is naive. You should appreciate the context in which it was written and performed. — Punshhh
I've have some limited success in trying to focus on those little things I might otherwise have overlooked as a way to jump-start the feel-good pattern in my own brain.
— Pfhorrest
Do you think this is a skill. Because aren’t you essentially overriding the chemical negativity and purposely applying positive actions, that you know from experience help? — Brett
Do you even want to be happy all the time? Happy when bad shit happens? Happy when people near you are in trouble? Happy when the mad axeman asks you to bare your neck? — unenlightened
When I am unhappy with things, I'm motivated to make them better - run away from the mad axeman, comfort the sick neighbour, clean up the shit. — unenlightened
Right now I want to take away your happy pills 'coz they won't do you no good. — unenlightened
So, you think 'imagination' is about math formulas and recursive algorithms (such as limits to infinity), and not about simulating the experience? — Sir Philo Sophia
In this way, I'm saying that the only reason that Einstein could imagine space-time fabric relativity is because he existed and learned in an environment where the public imagination included sufficiently close knowledge and metaphors for him to imagine how to incrementally do some analogical morphing/variant/extension of (combination) of the thing(s) that were known/experienced at the time. Had Einstein lived in the time of the Greeks, I am saying there is no way he could have imagined even the basic concepts of relativity, not for lack of language or faculty of imagination, but for the handicap that Human imagination is (almost strictly) limited to evolutionary thought grounded by the framework of what is known/experienced by the culture around you. — Sir Philo Sophia
This is what the next art will grow from. You may not even recognise it as art, you might reject it, but it will exist. Just read the newspaper, watch the news, go on the internet, not to be informed but to see what others take in, which is nothing actually. More use of cartoons, animated toothbrushes, talking bananas, and that’s the advertising for adults. Taylor Swift: political activist, a candle that smells like Gwyneth Paltrow’s vagina. Truth, who can say what it means anymore.
Maybe your life’s the new art. Greta Thunberg to trademark her name. We all become products,we’re all art, we’re all artists. Everything’s priceless, nothings for sale, we all live the illusion, we’re all perfect, we don’t have to do anything except be. — Brett
So to satisfy your demands for objective standards we can begin with that. — Brett
I’m not concerned with your opinion on art. It’s irrelevant. Only you think it’s important and yet you profess to know little about art. — Brett
No ones saying that. Deeper knowledge allows you to work your way through the world of art, not to tell others what they should like. — Brett
We’re not saying you should like something, we’re saying why some pieces have value in the world of art. No ones forcing you to go to an art gallery. — Brett
One last thing, care to list your reasons why the Shakespeare stories suck? Should be easy because it’s not even about language. Just pretend it’s a Batman movie. — Brett
I can imaging the concept of infinity, but can never enable my mind/imagination to in any way experience it. — Sir Philo Sophia
I'd be very interested if anyone as even one example of anything imagined that is not some analogical morphing/variant/extension of (combination) something(s) known/experienced. — Sir Philo Sophia
For example, when you imagine you can fly, you are simply conceptualizing yourself ‘as is’ except with the ability to fly like birds or planes. No insight there, just less constrained by the ‘reality’ of gravity, as if you were in space. — Sir Philo Sophia
Honestly to answer this I'll need to think. I will hail you later. — Qwex
You simply disagree with the majority of people about your list, but (unless you're authoritarian) you agree that democracy is the best way of resolving that difference. — Isaac
The fact that most people want this kind of authoritarianism does not suggest that I need to accept it. — NOS4A2
Is art recreational space manipulation?
Painting on a canvas manipulates the space of the canvas.
I might be wrong. — Qwex
You might be able to see where I’m going here. — Brett
If you want to understand art, tell good from bad, then you need to educate yourself. — Brett
Of course I can. But you’re just playing philosophy games. In this world you need to know when you’re being lied to, deceived and misinformed. Sure people lie, but I’m talking about a person who is a liar all the time, who deceives you then takes your watch.Trying living without that understanding and reality. Maybe you spend your days in your bedroom, I don’t know, but try living the way you imply with your dancing around words and sentences and see where it gets you. So let’s try and stick to the world outside your front door. — Brett
Ok, but we already agree that the goal itself is on the table. — BitconnectCarlos
Relativist games. How does it work for you on the street, in a bar? — Brett
But it’s possible you could determine whether a piece of art was “good” or “ bad” on the same basis that you decide whether a person is good or bad. We might determine whether a person is good or bad by their behaviour, how they present themselves. — Brett
A bad person would be dishonest, deceitful, misleading, a liar, misrepresents himself, mean spirited or insincere. — Brett
Are you really appalled by the idea of equality of height? Imagine if you could wave a magic wand and from here on out all the men would be 5'10 and all the women 5'4. I understand that the actual real life means to achieving this could be objectionable, but the goal itself is hardly something that makes someone recoil. — BitconnectCarlos
So taste is complex, and to suggest that that complexity can be boiled down and answer the broader question of what makes art "good" or "bad" feels like an oversimplification.
In other words the simple facts of taste (real or fake) and power structure within the art world don't actually have anything to say about the concept of a concrete aesthetic standard. — Noble Dust
When most people say it it just means “I don’t like this” — khaled
So far I am getting the message that bad art is not universal, but a personal judgment of what they already believe is unreasonable. — Invisibilis