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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Those celebrating the censorship of the right - the mass shut-down of social media accounts and the restricted access to to entire social media platforms like Parler - need to be very, very, careful what they wish for. The dopamine hit of schadenfreude has been good fun and it's enjoyment was well worth it (that stupid fucking person who got trampled to death while flying a 'don't t tread on me flag???), but not only is this censorship unaccountable - undertaken by tech companies who operate not on principle but on pure commercial interest - it's also already paving the way for a new domestic 'war on terror' with all the dismantling of (more) civil liberties that is entailed. You can't go from calling for the defunding of the police to wishing for more and better police, which is exactly what this incident is being used to promote - by the same piece of shit, it's well worth recalling, who wrote the patriot act - Joe Biden.

    Cait Johnstone:
    Google has ratcheted things up even further by removing Parler from its app store, and Apple will likely soon follow. This push to marginalize even the already fringey social media sites is making the libertarian/shitlib argument of "If you don't like censorship just go to another platform" look pretty ridiculous. This is all happening just in time for the Biden administration, about which critics had already been voicing grave concerns regarding the future of internet censorship.

    The censorship of a political faction at the hands of a few liberal Silicon Valley billionaires will do the exact opposite of eliminating right-wing paranoia and conspiracy theories, and everyone knows it. You're not trying to make things better, you're trying to make them worse. You're not trying to restore peace and order, you're trying to force a confrontation so your political enemies can be crushed. You're accelerationist.... Supporting the censorship of online speech is to support the authority of monopolistic tech oligarchs to exert more and more global control over human communication. Regardless of your attitude toward whoever happens to be getting deplatformed today, supporting this is suicidal.

    Glenn Greenwald:
    The complete reversal in mentality from just a few months ago is dizzying. Those who spent the summer demanding the police be defunded are furious that the police response at the Capitol was insufficiently robust, violent and aggressive. Those who urged the abolition of prisons are demanding Trump supporters be imprisoned for years. Those who, under the banner of “anti-fascism,” demanded the firing of a top New York Times editor for publishing an op-ed by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) advocating the deployment of the U.S. military to quell riots — a view deemed not just wrong but unspeakable in decent society — are today furious that the National Guard was not deployed at the Capitol to quash pro-Trump supporters. Antifa advocates are working to expose the names of Capitol protesters to empower the FBI to arrest them on terrorism charges.

    ...There is a huge difference between, on the one hand, thousands of people shooting their way into the Capitol after a long-planned, coordinated plot with the goal of seizing permanent power, and, on the other, an impulsive and grievance-driven crowd more or less waltzing into the Capitol as the result of strength in numbers and then leaving a few hours later. That the only person shot was a protester killed by an armed agent of the state by itself makes clear how irresponsible these terms are. There are more adjectives besides “fascist treason” and “harmless protest,” enormous space between those two poles. One need not be forced to choose between the two.

    ..But as was true of the Cold War and the War on Terror and so many other crisis-spurred reactions, the other side of the ledger — the draconian state powers clearly being planned and urged and prepared in the name of stopping them — carries its own extremely formidable dangers. Refusing to consider those dangers for fear of standing accused of downplaying the threat is the most common tactic authoritarian advocates of state power use. Less than twenty-four hours after the Capitol breach, one sees this tactic being wielded with great flamboyance and potency, and it is sure to continue long after January 20.

    Don't let your political convictions sway with whatever change in the wind there is.
  • Leftist forum
    Oh god you're not even a real person you're just a transmission cable of Jordan Peterson talking points. As you were.
  • Leftist forum
    Let's be clear about one thing: racism is not an 'opinion'. Not liking pecan pie is an 'opinion'. Racism is active hurt from the get-go, agression against an entire class of humans - whichever class of humans, to answer your question - for their very existence. And no, I wouldn't kill them, but I'd be perfectly happy were they so shamed, stigmatized, and opressed everywhere they went that they rope themselves out of self-respect. I do not 'believe' in the 'freedom' of racist expression - I believe in it's ruthless and uncompromizing supression and rejection. There's nothing 'extreme' about this - it's basic human decency.

    And before any two-bit cloud-brain vomits out the predictible 'doesn't that make you as bad as the racist?' - no, if you don't like the above, then don't be racist.
  • Leftist forum
    Nah, someone who gets their panties in a twist about a response to the equivocation of racism and disagreement - but not that egregious equivocation itself - is someone too dense to take seriously.
  • Leftist forum
    Why do you have to do it here?Hippyhead

    To watch you squirm.
  • Leftist forum
    You think its ok to verbally abuse others you disagree with, but racism is a big, "No-No"? Whats the fucking difference?Harry Hindu

    Oh this one's easy. People I disagree with can be wrong, be shown to be wrong, can change their minds, can sustain and support hurt and evil by means of their belief, while the color of someone's skin does none of these things. Racists should hang from the rafters and have their life slowly squeezed out of them until they choke on their own spit and blood. Next question.
  • Leftist forum
    Is the free marketplace of ideas being mean to you again? Free speech a bit too free for your liking? Looking for a safe space? Posting a trigger warning for others?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The cops are the same people as those who made their way into the capitol. The distinction is a costume and a badge.StreetlightX

    The cops and the protestors are the exact same people. There's no big mystery here. Both are costume donning larpers with a propensity to violence; one with an official mandate from the state, the other with an unofficial one.StreetlightX


    ACAB.
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    Another point not made enough: for all its drama, the failed putsch is still political theatre. It effected nothing of consequence on the political scale. At best, it corroborated everything we already know:

    The differential police response to wannabe fascists and civil rights movements is exactly as was expected;

    That this spasm of violence was a glaring confirmation of impotence of Trump's repeated efforts at overturning the vote, and a final nail in its coffin;

    That Trump - but not Trumpism - is a dying political force, especially within the Republican party, which is all but happy to throw him to the wolves, despite their complete complicity in the events that occurred;

    That when push comes to shove, the cops still owe their loyalty to the state, and will gun down citizens if necessary, no matter what sympathies they have with the rioters.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    One of the nice entitlements of 'free speech' is the freedom to viciously attack - with speech - those who say stupid and harmful things.
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    Presumably the ministry was not 'protected' by cops who would otherwise have been rioters on their off-days.

    Worth comparing the contemporary German response to their own corresponding neo-Nazi's trying to infiltrate parliament, held off by a mere three policemen.

    Which is not to celebrate the sanctity of 'congress buildings' or 'seats of government', whose destruction ought to be, in certain cases, a very good thing. Especially the American congress, which is in any case soaked in blood. This is one of the things that annoys me about alot of the mainstream, liberal response to what happened. There's alot of hand-wrigning about an 'attack on democratic institutions' - as though this was the main issue. No, the main issue is the name and purpose of that attack, which was aggression in defence of a corrupt plutocrat who lost an election - all while enabled and supported by the cops, who effectively handed them the keys before murdering one of them. For many other reasons, the looting and destruction of that building would be a perfectly fine thing.

    The disgust levelled at those violent cosplayers ought to be separated from the celebration of a symbol of power and bloody oppression.
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    A failed attempt at a putsch - certianly more so than a coup or 'insurrection' - is, I think, probably the most appropriate way to speak of it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    These fucking rats jumping the sinking ship just when it least affects them. Cowardly vermin.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    And also have the numbers, training, technology, equipment, weaponry, etc.Xtrix
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The cops and the protestors are the exact same people. There's no big mystery here. Both are costume donning larpers with a propensity to violence; one with an official mandate from the state, the other with an unofficial one.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    It doesn’t take much to be more progressive and bold than we have been historically, so xtrix is probably technically correct even if we’re still not VERY progressive and bold.Pfhorrest

    Biden has systematically and with intent shut out every even marginally progressive voice out of his cabinet and decision making apparatus. The idea that it would be 'more progressive and bold than ever before' is no less delusional than those idiots on the hill right now. It's Blue MAGA.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Ah yes, this is the left's fault.

    Which mental gymnastic routine will be preformed next?

    More after the break.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Support for Trump and his populism must be sky-high among policeGarth

    That would make alot of sense. He supported them - and continues to do so - all through their continued murder spree of minorities.

    Besides. The cops are the same people as those who made their way into the capitol. The distinction is a costume and a badge.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Ah right, it's just a dude in a vest clearly labelled 'police'.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    A reminder of what awaited protestors who tried to pressure congress over the (still ongoing) murder of black people by cops:

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    Their treatment, by comparison, of a bunch of redneck wankers upset that a corrupt plutocrat did not win their barely-there democracy:



    Oh and I forgot to mention the selfies:


    ACAB.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    That all said this really is a fitting denouement of four years of Trump rule: loss of the white house and the two legislative chambers, along with fruits of exactly what the Republican party have been sowing for years now. You couldn't get away with fiction this on the nose.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    And real grievances? What real grievances?tim wood

    Four years and you still can't answer this question. I feel pity for you too.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Yeah, I made a small edit to the post you quoted. But yeah, in the main you're right. I guess I just see alot of wasted potential there, as it were. These people should be allies. Their fight should be the same fight any as on the left.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    This billionaire buffoon stirs up the underclass into believing their will was subverted, their election stolen, and now their guns and way of life will be taken away. I do think they really believe this and they'll speak proudly to their grandkids about how they fought for freedom like a true patriot.Hanover

    I think so too. My immediate feelings are both of pity and admiration; pity because these poor fools are being used by powers who would not give a flying hoot if they died right there and then; admiration because they have the courage of their convictions so rarely seen. These people are real people with real greviances, and they've been manipulated into being pressed into the service of some moron who would gladly watch them burn.
  • There is such a thing as private language, but it’s not what you think
    How effectively do they lock-in shared meanings?Joshs

    This isn't a question that can be answered in the abstract. How effectively for what purpose? In the capacity of what role in action? Language works - not always sucessfully - to constrain uncertainty. It works to the extent that it is 'good enough' - not unlike evolution where what survives is 'good enough'. Communication is communication of the 'good enough', not for perfect matchings of 'internal states' or what have you. The latter is a metaphysical picture of language peddled by philosophers who have never studied human behaviour outside of imagining it in their books.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
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    All that powerful, revolutionary energy. Channelled into defending a plutocrat like Trump. What an utter waste.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump would watch these people get shot by capitol cops and laugh as they do. These poor wretches are defending a man who wouldn't give a flying fuck about them if he tried.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Sure.

    The CIA must be rather upset right now. Only they get to orchastrate attempted violent coups against democratically elected governments in overexploited countries. These people are stepping on their turf.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    There is of course, nothing inherently wrong with people storming capitol buildings to kick out shitty governments. When this happens in other, browner countries, it's usually hailed as some kind of exercise of democratic discontent. It just so happens that this particular attempt was orchastrated by a bunch of incompetants looking to defend a monied wanker.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    You threatening people with a good time again?
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  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    I'm glad the democrats won are winning the senate. Now they will have no one to hide behind when they continue to flush the US into the gutter.