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Ukraine Crisis, the Kremlin deciding to lay ☢ waste to Finland (or Ukraine) would be bad for Russia/ns. The Kremlin would have to harbor madness of sorts to go down that path, and there weren't even any threats of invading Russia, despite their cries about a "dire existential threat".
If standing up to them is "the abyss" (as in "not to be done"), then think about what you've forfeit. ssu mentioned deterrence having gone out the window, and it goes further than so, as history indeed tells us.
People can figure such stuff out on their own, without somehow having been tricked by the US.
By the way, I don't think the Kremlin needs an invitation in particular, they're quite capable of coming up with their own.
(As an aside, while sympathetic to pacifism, there's more to it. If a nefarious aggressor (warmonger) invades, and a third demands capitulation ("peacemongers"), and the rest demands to fight back ("warmongers"), then the "peacemongers" still stand to benefit in case the warmonger is repelled. That's fine by me (personally) I suppose, but might not be considered so in general.) -
US Election 2024 (All general discussion)How do these people get elected for office?
God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent.
Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come.
I pray that our country listens. :pray: — Marjorie Taylor Greene · Apr 5, 2024
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Ukraine CrisisA brief timeline of events:
2010 Jan 17 · Ukrainian presidential election 2010 Feb 7 · election runoff (Yanukovych, Tymoshenko) 2013 Nov 21 · Euromaidan starts 2014 Feb 18 · Revolution of Dignity starts 2014 Feb 22 · Euromaidan ends 2014 Feb 23 · Revolution of Dignity ends; organized unrest in Donbas starts 2014 Feb 27 ⚔ Russian troops ("little green men") start seizing Crimea 2014 Mar 18 · Russia annexes Crimea 2014 Mar 31 · Kharkiv Pact annulled by the Kremlin 2014 Apr 6 ⚔ insurgents seize government buildings in Donbas 2014 Apr 12 ⚔ Donbas war starts; platoon under Girkin (Surkov) seizes Sloviansk 2014 May 2 · organized unrest in Donbas settles down 2014 May 25 · Ukrainian presidential election (Poroshenko) 2019 Mar 31 · Ukrainian presidential election 2019 Apr 21 · election runoff (Zelenskyy, Poroshenko) 2021 Jan 1 ⚔ ongoing scattered insurgent attacks in eastern Ukraine 2021 Nov 10 · the US reports Russian military buildup near Ukrainian border 2022 Jan 17 · increasing Russian troops in Belarus; increased separatist strife in eastern Ukraine 2022 Jan 25 · Russian military exercises in Crimea and southern Russia near Ukraine 2022 Feb 10 · Russo-Belarusian military exercises start 2022 Feb 20 · Russo-Belarusian military exercises end 2022 Feb 22 ⚔ Russian "peacekeeping" troops enter Ukraine 2022 Feb 24 ⚔ Russia invades northern, eastern, southern Ukraine 2022 Sep 30 · Russia annexes Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia 2024 Jan 1 · Russia occupies roughly a fifth of Ukraine
In retrospect, what might have been different from early on?
Some factors ...
- the Kremlin likely planned for a while, multipronged too
- democracies tend to act slowly/hesitantly, autocrats are less bound
- the Kremlin takes initiatives (attacks), others react (less proactive measures)
- divide and rule strategies have worked, and can work, well for the Kremlin
- international peacekeepers in Ukraine didn't seem appropriate/feasible
- early unrest had appearance of mere/internal domestic conflict
- tiptoeing around Russia
- Kremlin-anxiety (not the Moldovan kind here, but) nuclear in particular
- an effective (internationally implemented) Ukrainian no-fly zone would risk direct confrontation with Russia
- China has likely been supplying the Kremlin with intelligence including satellite, reliable intelligence matters all around
- western countries have already been accused of neo-colonialism/imperialism, meddling, war-mongering, you-name-it
- Russia has occasionally been promoted as all-but "invincible", though Russia was never itself threatened with invasion here
- can all defense be narrated as offense, can all defensive measures be cast as threats?
(It's worth noting that more or less all implemented measures have been met with criticism.)
▸ Crimea apparently took everyone by surprise. Hardly a fire was shot err hardly a shot was fired. In response, international supporters might have helped Ukraine with resources to counter the takeover (no secure Russia-Crimea land-bridge at the time). The Black Sea Fleet could have faced noticeable risk.
▸ The early insurgency might have seen international peacekeepers or more international involvement. Sufficient attention (and international presence), perhaps including mediation, could potentially have affected the course of events.
▸ In response to military buildup, international supporters might have quickly helped Ukraine with substantial defensive resources. Sufficient preparations·measures could have made a difference, including to the later grain and Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant situations.
▸ International military exercises (presumably not under a NATO umbrella) in Ukraine might have deterred the Kremlin from escalating aggression. NATO exercises in the neighborhood have been held with little response from the Kremlin.
▸ Perhaps more comprehensive upfront analysis·coverage·awareness of Kremlin and other story-telling from early on could have affected discussions·debates·back-and-forths·dis/agreements·re/actions etc. Ukrainian sovereignty, sentiments among non-NATO'ers (Moldova, Austria, Georgia, Ukraine, etc), NATO'ers to-be (Finland, Sweden), NATO'ers (Poland, the Baltics, Germany, etc) and NATO'ers no-longer-to-be (none as of typing), and other relevant topics could be included.
▸ Sustained, but specific, international propaganda·attention·exposé on Putin (say, at least after being named TIME Person of the Year in 2007), including directed at China, might have had some effect. Kremlin efforts (and their effects) have been seen.
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Ukraine Crisis, double down insisting on teaching select parts of US history? :grin:
(2023Mar21, 2023Dec17 - no sainthood there, but no matter)
Resume the analysis/sub-thread?
Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs? — Apr 4, 2024
Since you appear to only have eyes on the US here — other things being "regrettable" :grin: — was E+D then thought :up: / :down: by the US, would/did they act on/against that? (I suppose, in general, it can differ among US administrations)
Actually, what would or did whatever different parties do with that, with what they wanted, and why? (though it can vary/change, especially in democracies)
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Ukraine CrisisFYI, some election-related events (tass)(rferl)(csmonitor)(bbc)(politico)(nytimes)(bbc)(wired) around the Euromaidan / Dignity Revolution commotion (2013 Nov — 2014 Feb), in chronological order (though durations vary):
2014 Apr 11 · Russian authorities (Chaika) pass materials regarding Yarosh to Interpol
2014 Apr 12 · a full platoon under Girkin (Surkov) seizes Sloviansk in early Donbas war
2014 May 22 · CyberBerkut attacks and disables Ukrainian election system
2014 May 23 · Ukrainian election system restored
2014 May 25 · Ukrainian presidential election
2014 May 25 · Malware removed from election system that would have rendered Yarosh winner (37%) over Poroshenko (29%)
2014 May 25 · Russian Channel One declares Yarosh winner (37%)
2014 May 26 · CyberBerkut attacks Ukrainian election infrastructure, disrupting tally collections
2014 May 29 · Poroshenko wins Ukrainian presidential election (55%)
2014 Jul 25 · Interpol issues wanted notice for Yarosh at request of Russian authorities
2016 Jan 2 · Yarosh apparently no longer on Interpol's wanted list
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Ukraine Crisis, so, using the thread to air other grievances? I suppose that could explain the Kremlin-blindness here. (Say, how to differentiate from an anti-US campaign? No matter.) You might fire up a fresh opening post to express them, perhaps what to do. (check this :smile:)
:grin:
... and part of the war and factors into decision-making.
Resume the analysis/sub-thread?
Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs? — Apr 4, 2024 -
Ukraine CrisisThe problem with these people is that they've fallen hook, line and sinker for a story of American exceptionalism.
They view Russia through a lens of unending cynicism (and I would argue that is reasonably appropriate), but fail to realise America functions in exactly the same way. — Tzeentch
Well, that's kind of odd, since you've repeatedly railed on just about the evil US, with
(and I would argue that is reasonably appropriate) — Tzeentch
being a rare exception. :D Countless comments have been repeated about others than invader and defender, shooting blame from the hip, presenting plain speculation as plain fact, finger-pointing, positing mala fides, what-have-you. (Actually, wasn't "Everyone bad" established long ago?)
I guess you (and certain others) leave it to others to pick up the slack, or the thread could go monotone, perhaps as far as going pro-Kremlin circle or indistinguishable therefrom.
But, hey, let's for a moment run with your "the same" then, and differentiate by other means:
Looking at other Russian neighbors, who want to see Ukraine become like another Belarus? :down: Another Baltics? :up: (What about where to raise kids?) Pick your poison? — Apr 2, 2024- Oct 4, 2023 map — Irredentism versus sovereignty
- Who/what honored / got behind what UA wanted, which was reasonable, more/less than others?
- Democracy versus authoritarianism (including proliferation)
- Trajectories: development (or trying) versus regress
- Comparisons
Maybe I'll call failure to recognize such like ↑ "Kremlin-blindness". Unless they're too obvious to mention?
Resuming the analysis (sub-thread):
Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs? — Apr 4, 2024 -
Ukraine Crisis, that's not what Dignity (or Euromaidan for that matter) was about, though it was about looking west (democratic EU) rather than north (Putin's Russia, Yanukovych), oligarchs, government corruption + power abuse, repressive laws, police brutality, human rights violations (← mentioned a few times); they didn't protest about UA's right to seek NATO membership. Is it then your assertion that the Kremlin had no (reason to) care about this (E+D) and implications — it was no concern of theirs?
, keeping it real: you've presented your Nord Stream hypothesis as plain fact, when it is plain speculation. -
Ukraine Crisis, so, back to the inquiry, what the heck was the Kremlin to do with that, with what UA wanted?
(↑ still part of the analysis)
, some cherry-picked suggestive single phrases by Rice (2014), Nuland (Jan 2022), Biden (Feb 2022), since denied by the way, to go with Sy + Rose...? And therefore the US + Norway sabotaged Nord Stream...? Nah, credulous/sought, doesn't make the cut. Pareidolic. With a bit of luck, German investigators find something though, perhaps something to substantiate your hypothesis.
Like A Glove: Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage and American Foreign Policy
— Luis Tomas Orozco · The Yale Review Of International Studies · Apr 19, 2023
at any rate, this is just speculation.
Peripherally related:
New west-east route keeps Europe hooked on Russian gas
— America Hernandez, Marwa Rashad, Pietro Lombardi, Nerijus Adomaitis, Kate Abnett, Christoph Steitz, Vera Eckert, Julia Payne, Francesca Landini, Nora Buli, Andrius Sytas, Angeliki Koutanto, Sergio Goncalves, Dmitry Zhdannikov, Barbara Lewis · Reuters · Apr 3, 2024 -
Ukraine Crisis, I'm guessing most on the thread know about this point of yours, since you've repeated it a few times.
My inquiry was a different one, though.
You departed therefrom again once having mentioned the Vietnamese — a comment I took to mean that what UA wanted was real enough, as opposed to a US plot (I suppose we might have enquired into both possibilities, but no matter).
So, implications of what they wanted, what to do with that (by the Kremlin)?
(↑ part of the analysis)
On the Nord Stream thing, Sy + Rose = your (sole) source...? :brow:
Earlier on, the Swedish (+ Danish) investigators handed their material over to the German investigators, who have yet to release any findings; going by memory, further investigation fell within German jurisdiction/purview.
Also, going by memory again, some Asian ship apparently damaged something on the sea floor around the same time, perhaps by accident.
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Ukraine Crisis, I guess you think that what they wanted was genuine (in lack of a better word), as opposed to instigated by the US? That's consistent with their efforts to join the EU anyway; they're trying, apparently against the tide of the Kremlin's efforts.
Some developments so far: — Mar 8, 2024The election was recognized as free and fair.(4) — 2019 Ukrainian presidential election (Wikipedia)- Accession of Ukraine to the European Union » Candidacy (Wikipedia)
OK, if we run with that (genuine), then we might ask about implications, including/especially for the Kremlin, or in the eyes of the Kremlin, and they don't look favorable according to their aspirations.
When freedom and sovereignty themselves are perceived as threats then we get results like what we're seeing (word, infra, civil, grab). Too bad for Ukraine, eh? — Mar 11, 2024
By and large fairly straightforward.
Looking at other Russian neighbors, who want to see Ukraine become like another Belarus? :down: Another Baltics? :up: (What about where to raise kids?) Pick your poison? The Ukrainians chose a path. Putin makes a point about Russians + Ukrainians, then, instead of setting up programs to foster relations, he sets out to bomb them into compliance.
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Ukraine Crisis, maybe, but you responded to something else. Here :point:
↪Tzeentch, what UA wanted was [really] a US plot [instead]? — Apr 1, 2024
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion)Is the US ready...?
Pro-PRC DRAGONBRIDGE Influence Campaign Leverages New TTPs to Aggressively Target U.S. Interests, Including Midterm Elections
— Mandiant · Oct 26, 2022
Pro-CCP ‘Spamouflage’ network pivoting to focus on US Presidential Election
— Elise Thomas · ISD · Feb 15, 2024
Much Ado About ‘Somethings’
— Max Lesser, Ari Ben Am, Margot Fulde-Hardy, Saman Nazari, Paul J Malcomb · FDD · Mar 27, 2024
How effective are these campaigns anyway? When I encounter these stories (or effects thereof), it's almost always from US MAGA'ers. -
Ukraine CrisisI guess that's a way to have others do their bidding ...
Czechia busts Russian propaganda network targeting European elections
— Martin Fornusek · The Kyiv Independent (Deník N, Der Spiegel, Le Monde) · Apr 1, 2024
Seems serious enough; we'll see what comes of it, if anything. Those folk should have taken the €$, told security everything, donated €$/2 to the homeless — live life on the edge. ;)
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Ukraine CrisisThere have been some reports of thermobaric bombs (2022Mar1, 2022Nov17, 2024Mar16), this time Velyka Pysarivka (between Sumy (↖nw) and Kharkiv (↘se)) was reportedly hit:
They staged round-the-clock terror: what a dangerous bomb the Russians used in Sumy Oblast
— Victoria Grabovska · Channel 24 · Mar 28, 2024
Footage of the arrival of ODAB-1500 at the location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the border area of the Sumy region is shown
— ilyaros · Military Review · Mar 28, 2024
Russia used the ODAB-1500 heavy aerial bomb in Ukraine for the first time.
— BILD · Mar 30, 2024
Detonation levels an area of some 500 m2, diameter about 25 m, though you want to be further away when one goes off. -
Ukraine CrisisIt is a proxy war between the US and Russia. Easy to see why. — Mikie
That's your response? Maybe give it some more thought. There's a war between Russia (invader with support) and Ukraine (defends with support). This part is not a narrative. Trivial. For most anyway.
"the US is waging a proxy war against Russia that Ukraine is being caught up in" is about as misleading (or helpful/relevant) as "North Korea / Iran waging proxy war against Ukraine" — Mar 31, 2024
Seen this elsewhere-blaming finger-pointing misleading Ukraine-sidelining distraction already. -
Ukraine CrisisIn the news, imperialist hegemony :D
Bulgaria and Romania join the Schengen area
— The EU · Mar, 30 2024
, I'll try clarifying for you, let me bullet'ify some observations (repeats) ...
• Ukraine was the one being invaded — invaded by Russia at the Kremlin's orders, who wasn't invaded or attacked, tracing back to what the Ukrainians wanted, which likely would lead to Kremlin loss of control/influence — see "demilitarization", NATO or not
• Ukraine's supporters have been tiptoeing around Russia with resources, an observation that's been appropriated for a "drip feed hypothesis" — tiptoeing here also involved dis/agreeing discussing debating quarreling back-and-forth, domestically and internationally, bureaucracy, "many voices" to accommodate, contrary to how authoritarian regimes typically work — organized proxy warring ≠ rowing, okie that at least ain't it
• Ukraine has made it clear over and again, they want the Kremlin to leave them be, and are looking westward instead, to Putin's dismay — anyone can see that (even through the Kremlin-inspired fog)
• "the US is waging a proxy war against Russia that Ukraine is being caught up in" is about as misleading (or helpful/relevant) as "North Korea / Iran waging proxy war against Ukraine" — the Kremlin started the war against Ukraine whom are defending (including what they wanted) — so, misdirection or "blindness" or something
But, hey, if we're just talking materially supporting one team, then sure. Is that what you mean? (Right, as mentioned, it's come up before.)
And theNazis areNazi-propaganda is important to understand the war — boethius
Nah, please don't repost that stuff again (again), already been seen far and wide. (Presumably you know how to use links.) Problem is that once you water it down to any truth of the matter, then all become liable, including, if not especially, the Russia from where the accusations originate. It's been reiterated, but seemingly ignored (by you).
actually Westernisation was the Western way to also “denazify” Ukraine, while Russia has no problems to support neo-nazi militia if they are pro-Russian — neomac
Fair, Ukraine aspires to join the EU, has shown willingness to reform. -
Ukraine Crisis:D
this proxy war — Mikie
- Ukraine was the one being invaded. Invaded by Russia at the Kremlin's orders. Which wasn't invaded, or attacked.
- North Korea and Iran are waging a proxy war against Ukraine...? (Not that it matters, but I wouldn't say so personally.) By certain thinking (like motivated reasoning) they could end up being seen that way. By some anyway.
Well, it might be more "interesting" to blame someone else (like an exercise perhaps). And what the Ukrainians themselves wanted — apparently contrary to what the Kremlin wants for Russians — is hence "argumentatively" sidelined thereby:
Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of Russia and oligarchs, police brutality, human rights violations,(29)(30) and repressive anti-protest laws.(29) — Revolution of Dignity (Wikipedia)
Is that "the Ukrainian people being caught up inthisa proxy war"? Getting old. In this thread at least.
I'm not really seeing a whole lot of officials/politicians of the larger countries in the world — China, the US, India, Brazil, ... — whine ever on about this dire existential threat to them. I guess Putin's Russia must be special. Ironically, instead, Ukraine, a smaller country, has clear and present evidence towards that by Russia's hands. Maybe the southern US border thing can be amplified to that purpose?
If it turns out the US was involved in this attack, and I honestly find that quite plausible (even though it's far from certain what happened), we are looking at a new low in western foreign politics - an all-time low, perhaps - and it would be further evidence that the United States is looking to escalate the conflict. — Tzeentch
Of course. (Or are we talking the Deep State CIA Masons?) Looks like a poor assumption.
US secretly warned Iran before ISIS terror attack
— Natasha Bertrand · CNN · Jan 25, 2024
US repeatedly warned Russia ahead of Moscow attack, White House says
— The Guardian · Mar 28, 2024
For that matter ...
Exclusive: Iran alerted Russia to security threat before Moscow attack
— Parisa Hafezi, Nazarali Pirnazarov, Steve Holland, Jonathan Landay, Michael Georgy, Gareth Jones · Reuters · Apr 1, 2024
supporting the Nazis — boethius
Reiterating (again), Russian officials claim that Kyiv is a Nazi regime, and Ukraine is to be deNazified and demilitarized. That's one pillar of their justification, and it's nonsense lapped up by the gullible and susceptible to Kremlin story-telling. -
Ukraine CrisisReflexive control came up again in ISW's analyses. Dis/mal/misinformation, manipulation, get others to speak the Kremlin's case, in addition to the shooting and bombing, are parts of their multipronged campaigns. By the way, the article seems to run contrary to some posters.
Denying Russia’s Only Strategy for Success
— Nataliya Bugayova, Frederick W Kagan, Kateryna Stepanenko · ISW · Mar 27, 2024
Russia cannot defeat Ukraine or the West - and will likely lose - if the West mobilizes its resources to resist the Kremlin. The West’s existing and latent capability dwarfs that of Russia.The notion that the war is unwinnable because of Russia’s dominance is a Russian information operation, which gives us a glimpse of the Kremlin’s real strategy and only real hope of success.The Russian strategy that matters most, therefore, is not Moscow’s warfighting strategy, but rather the Kremlin’s strategy to cause us to see the world as it wishes us to see it and make decisions in that Kremlin-generated alternative reality that will allow Russia to win in the real world.
Using the term "the West" like so suggests a homogeneity that's not quite there as of typing, though — incidentally, perhaps due to reflexive control and all that in part. They conclude the article with some strategies against the Kremlin.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
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Ukraine CrisisVladislav Inozemtsev lives life on the edge. Kremlin critique can be unhealthy. :) He's not far off the mark.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
There is no food, no drinks. We are eating plants. We started eating pigeon food, donkey food — victim25 children have died of starvation — David Miliband
... due to existing food trucks being turned back, either at crossing points or inside Gaza. Some trucks with medical supplies turned back because a pair of surgical scissors deemed a security threat. As mentioned by Miliband, it's kind of an immediate crisis, not about rhetoric or whatever.
Apparently, decisions to block the trucks are being made by whatever (overzealous) troops on the spot. Do you think more pressure on Netanyahu can get them to issue orders to let humanitarian aid through? -
Ukraine Crisis, maybe they're seeking to justify whatever military endeavors and changes to the economy.
Could also help take domestic minds off Putin having seized power seemingly indefinitely.
(↑ straightforward and plausible anyway, conspiracy theorists might even say something like this was their plan all along)
A Russian friend of a friend living in France, about two years back...
... Kyiv/Zelenskyy being representative against the Gremlin I think.Every morning I wake up before Anton and reach for my phone to watch the news. When Anton opens one eye, the first thing I report is: Kyiv is standing, Zelensky is alive. — Anna Frid · Mar 15, 2022 -
Ukraine CrisisI guess this has become a part of everyday life in Kyiv:
This Kyiv florist captured a missile attack on CCTV (— Anastasiia Shulha · Reuters via CBC · Mar 21, 2024 · 42s)
... Busy traffic on the street in the background.
Reminds me a bit of some radio stations during the 2nd world war:
Reporters Without Borders launch satellite to reach Russian-speaking territories (— Euronews · Mar 22, 2024) | via RSF/RWB
Coverage: Russia, the Baltics, occupied territories of Ukraine. Will satellite dishes be banned by the Kremlin?
There have been several reports on this stuff by now:
Deportation and re-education: life in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine (— Shaun Walker, Pjotr Sauer · The Guardian · Mar 6, 2024)
UK Defence Intelligence: Russia may be preparing to deport residents of occupied territories of Ukraine (— European/Ukrainska Pravda · Mar 11, 2024) -
Ukraine CrisisHaven't heard anyone in the West purposing that Poland, even Romania, would take large parts of Ukraine — ssu
Yeah, I don't get it... It's...random... Like plucked out of the thin air... -
Ukraine CrisisSo, how to not "provoke" the Kremlin (and North Korea)? I guess it depends on their plans...?
No military (or related change/activity) in the vicinity, whether reactionary or not? I.e. lower defenses because they're offenses...?
Nothing toward democracy freedom humanitarianism all that, no pressure, no sanctions, no frozen assets — that's all propaganda, meddling, illegal, interference, provocation. Free reins (or "blindness") would presumably not provoke. (Though I'm not quite sure what Kim Jong Un would do with that.)
As to the Kremlin and Ukraine: no Ukrainian defense to speak of. Alternatively, capitulation.
As to North Korea, while not shy about nuclear tests and shooting missiles, it seems just about anything (sometimes nothing in particular) elicits an angry response.
What's the Kremlin circle been up to? Some strategic steps to undermine democracy and extend geographically, well-known to history:
• attain (political) power by intimidation (Pompey used military)
• manipulate popular support, achieve cult status (check Caesar)
• marginalize government bodies (Augustus sidelined the Senate)
• gain control of judiciary, fix courts (per Banno)
• seize and constrain communication (media), employ in service
▸ geopolitically divide et impera
▸ instigate conflicts and alter economy accordingly
How much of such like has the Kremlin circle accomplished? (Putin, Patrushev, Bortnikov, others.) A decades-long coup? -
Coronavirus62-year-old manages to get a couple hundred shots over two and a half years...?
More than one a week on average?
Criminal charges weren't filed against him, though likely fraudulent.
Anyway, doctors studied him:
Scientists Studied Man Who Claimed To Have Had 217 COVID Shots. Here’s What They Found.
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Ukraine CrisisMedvedev is a top official, but comes through like a rambling comedian these days. He wasn't always, so what happened anyway? (Here's a detailed story from Jun 27, 2023.) Back on Jul 27, 2022, he posted the Kremlin's plan for Ukraine according to him: ERRATA below
Before "the special military operation":
And after:
Ukraine left as a small region around Kyiv, Russia having absorbed most, the rest divided between Poland and Romania, with a small snack for Hungary. At least Moldova is untouched (until further notice). On Dec 19, 2023, Putin suggested something similar. Well, anti-Ukraine rhetoric is easy enough to find, especially (but not always) from the Kremlin circle. I suppose, if those other countries can be turned against Ukraine, then who knows? A week prior:
Now the geography is different, it's far from being just the DPR and LPR, it's also Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions and a number of other territories. This process is continuing logically and persistently. — Lavrov (Jul 20, 2022)
On Mar 4, 2024, he presented the same maps again at the Russian 2024 World Festival of Youth in front of a large audience, held just south of Sochi. (By the way, a somewhat similar map was posted on Mar 24, 2022 by the late Illia Kyva.)
Ukraine certainly is Russia — Medvedev (Mar 4, 2024)
Whatever one makes of it, some analysts have commented. The irredentist rhetoric has been seen on many occasions by now. There is sort of a consistency here, whether calculated for intimidation, plain propaganda, or more.
ERRATA (thanks ):
In the brain of the President of Ukraine, damaged by psychotropic substances, the following picture of the bright future of his country arose (Fig. 1).
Western analysts believe that this will actually be the case (Fig. 2). — Medvedev -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank@BitconnectCarlos, @RogueAI, ..., I think it goes both ways.
Radicals (anyone really) grabbing land at gunpoint should be jailed.
Caveat emptor, selling land should be approved accordingly.
Until then it's an untrustworthy pseudo-legal system. Al Capone style. -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, news coverage around here (or at least what I've seen) gradually changed from the initial attack, to the hostage situation and invasion, to the humanitarian crisis, plus various demonstrations/protests and violence (either side). Still covered regularly. There hasn't been much on the broader conflict though, I guess that's not so much news as it is history. Both the Hamas top and Netanyahu seem to agree on violence and not peace, so it's not looking good.
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Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, this is straightforward bias (and flirting with ad hominem):
— "Israelis commit these-and-those humanitarian offenses"
— "calling Palestinians misogynists and homophobes is just you saying we're better than them"
Both exemplify humanitarian violations.
The latter issues are much the same for, say, Brunei, whatever middle African places, ... -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West BankHow's this for a really brief summary then?
After WW2, others gave Jewish survivors places not theirs to give. Conflict. Israel established. Jews turn some desert into not-desert. Periodic escalation. Some Jews grab land at gunpoint. Israelis and Palestinians treated differently, discrimination by both. Both lay religio-historical claims to areas. Regular violence. Israel has military upper hand, larger region has non-Jewish population upper hand. Jews fear being removed for good. No peace in sight and no common law and order.
Will is required in both camps to improve the situation regardless of partisanship, yes? -
Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank(please note, Weiss is a Jewish Israeli, which is reflected in the article)
Are Americans getting even dumber? - opinion
— Stewart Weiss · The Jerusalem Post · Feb 9, 2024
I resent his comic book comments. :nerd:
The article reads like Weiss believes that the Hebrew Bible is all literal history, which I (personally) find ingenuous and kind of ridiculous. But, I guess it does give a religio-historical justification for his opinions. Anyone is free to believe so of course, yet once such beliefs affect others, then it becomes others' concern. And this applies to both parties in the present conflict.
(It's entirely possible I read too much into it.)
Answering the title question, though, can be done without reading the article. -
Ukraine Crisis2024 voting in occupied Ukraine:
Russians bring in security forces for sham presidential elections in Ukraine's occupied territories
— Tetyana Oliynyk · Ukrainska Pravda · Feb 28, 2024
Russia increases police and military presence in occupied Ukrainian territories ahead of sham presidential ‘elections’ - NRC
— Alla Shcherbak · The New Voice of Ukraine · Mar 3, 2024
What to know about Russia’s presidential election, set to give Putin another six-year term
— Katie Marie Davis, Dasha Litvinova · AP · Mar 10, 2024
On Russian TV ahead of the election, there’s only one program: Putin’s
— Emma Burrows · AP · Mar 11, 2024
Moscow 'to falsify' votes in occupied Ukrainian regions
— Oleksandra Vakulina · Euronews · Mar 11, 2024
Ukraine-based Russian armed groups claim raids into Russia
— Jaroslav Lukiv · BBC · Mar 12, 2024
Occupied Ukraine encouraged to vote in Russian election by armed men
— Vitaly Shevchenko · BBC · Mar 13, 2024
Viewpoint: Russian authorities seek strong election showing for Putin
— Jonathan House · GZERO · Mar 13, 2024
Russia's 2024 presidential election: What is at stake and what is not
— Caprile Anna · European Parliament · Mar 13, 2024
UK intelligence explains how residents of temporarily occupied territories are forced to vote for Putin
— European/Ukrainska Pravda · Mar 13, 2024
Your mileage may vary. The articles are by and large consistent, though. And the Kremlin denies transparency / independent monitoring. I'd like to have seen Duntsova with a strong open free campaign, coverage, country-wide. -
Ukraine Crisis[...] Putin and Russian ideologists (like Dugin) have been actively engaged in exporting and supporting such far right movements abroad (https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/).
Not surprisingly Russian neo-nazi militia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism_in_Russia#Groups) are the ones involved in Euromaiden and the conflict in Donbas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Ukraine). — neomac
And the invading Russians have installed people they allegedly sought to do away with. For that matter, Kadyrov's Chechnya resembles Nazi rule noticeably more.
But their Nazi thing is a great (rabble-rousing) rhetorical/propaganda device (like sort of extending The Great Patriotic War), and that's what it is here, bullshit or lying, ready to get picked up by others. How do you talk with someone who doesn't care about truth? Maybe that's why Kyiv cut lines to Moscow.
From memory, this campaign of theirs started also accusing other countries of Nazism, sometimes covertly (e.g. university campuses), but they didn't continue like for Ukraine. -
Ukraine CrisisThe drip feed — boethius
... idea suggests a single point of decision, like monolithic or "one voice". Yet, that's the kind of thing that happens in autocracies. Ukraine's supporters are broad and wide, they discuss debate quarrel, back-and-forth, dis/agree alike, both domestically and internationally, subject to whatever bureaucracy, you name it, "many voices" (to accommodate). Should be evident enough. Too bad perhaps, but Ukraine's supporters are readily susceptible to divide et impera.
neo-nazis [...] I can post the videos of Western reportage on the nazis and corruption again [...] Nazis [...] nazi [...] Nazi — boethiusI point out my primarily responsibility: Western policy. — boethius
Hmm Your responsibility? (For the occasion?) :halo: Anyway, when will we then see something about your domestic extremists? (Does Hells Angels count? Actually, they're international.) By the way, what the Ukrainians wanted is consistent with "Western policy", the Kremlin not so much.
Maybe it was Putin's intention — boethius
Geo-power-military-political aspirations include long-term control over Ukraine ... irredentism, "demilitarization", anti-NATO/defense, land grabbing (no independence), Mearsheimer (Crimea), vision ("destiny"), industrial strength nationalist propaganda, a variation of imperialism/neo-colonialism (according to some), ... Loss of control (threat, danger) → act :fire:. Potential loss of control (risk) → act :fire:. Threats dangers risks include Ukrainian (and Russian) free democracy, strong Ukrainian defense (like NATO), Ukraine steadily looking away from Russia towards the EU (or "West").
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US Election 2024 (All general discussion):D What a circus
'More than a majority' of RNC members want to help pay Trump's legal bills: insiders
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Bloodbath at RNC: Trump team slashes staff at committee
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The Clown supporters I've chit-chatted with don't think about or care that their efforts add to efforts beyond their neighborhood against them
Oh well
jorndoe
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