A sad day at TPF. Another old timer bites the dust, and it feels bad. I respect it, though.

@T Clark @180 Proof

Makoto Fujimura on Emily Dickinson

In other words, you have a flip phone.

Fascinating artist. I used to work at a music venue, and one night she performed a sold out show. Bjork was in the audience. After the show, I was heading downstairs to the office to get my stuff and leave for the night, and the two of them were ever so slowly walking down the stairs having a close, intimate conversation. I had no choice but to tippy toe out of ear shot behind them and try not to be noticed, until they made it to the green room.

I never understood why we need more academic philosophers on an Internet forum. Don’t they have their colleagues to spar with? Us amateur philosophers often aren’t surrounded by that many other philosophically minded people, so sites like this give us an outlet for our thoughts.

Nowadays, it's mainly a revolt against the unprecedented range and speed of change in modern culture. — Wayfarer

Have you read The Battle For God: A History of Fundamentalism by Karen Armstrong?

Fun in a twisted sense, yes.

Thanks for the info. Do keep us updated if you think of it.

I'm reading Leech by Hiron Ennes. It's their published debut as of 4 months ago, recommended by my writer brother. It's honestly addictive, although not for the squeamish. The author creates a very distant post-apocalyptic world which feels both realistic and fantastic at the same time. It's interesting to read "current" sci-fi/fantasy, something I never would have done if not for my brother's influence. The writing can get a bit wordy, but overall very engrossing.

Hmmm, interesting. For some reason your description reminds me of Candide, which I'm not a big fan of.

This looks fascinating. Recommended? Based on what you know of my taste.

How many of the multiple comments on youtube 1960’s songs saying they wish they were alive in that era, that the music was much better then, come from people younger than 30? — Joshs

How would you or I know? Youtube has been around for over 14 years; it's used by people of all ages.

It was not the Beatles that were great, it was the era, the environment of frenetic experimentation, that produced greatness. — Joshs

I will acquiesce to this.

I have 2 nieces in their teens and both of them told me that a lot of their favorite music is from the 1970’s and ‘80’s ( Queen, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel. Yech), and they are far from alone in their generation.

No, something else is going on here beside the rootedness of old-timers to what they grew up with. — Joshs

I'm a millennial, but the sense I have is that Gen Z is obsessed with the 90's. Grunge is back, 90's clothes are back. To me that smacks of my assessment of different art forms having arcs that eventually come to an end; specifically, if the 90's are now retro, music truly is on the decline.

If anything, maybe we're kind of in agreement here; just that my idea of art form arcs doesn't seem to have taken hold with you or others (maybe it's crap, or maybe others haven't seen it yet).

Apologies BC, I was a bit toasty last night.

It seems like this model would lead the producers of pornography into absurd sexual territory — BC

It does; you're clearly just not privity to it.

My preferred style of porn — BC

Exactly. With all due respect, BC, your opinion is essentially meaningless here.

Wow, I would love to watch that. Do you know anywhere that it's available from?

What may happen to some pornography users is that they become desensitized to sexual images — BC

Isn't this known to be the case scientifically? I'm too tired to pull up references. I'm pretty sure this happens to all porn users, not some. Framing porn use within addiction terms once again, the initial stimulus isn't enough after awhile. The required stimulus needs to be stronger and stronger, which translates to harder and harder core porn. Using addiction language here, it looks like...an addiction.

In fact I'll raise you one Jan Hammer to one Richard Barbieri:

Haha, funny to watch him in a more contemporary context. I think of him as a member of the short-lived Mahavishnu Orchestra.

but I'm worried you're going to say Steely Dan... :wink: — Tom Storm

I don't remember exactly, but it was probably something along the lines of Massive Attack or Portishead.

t's also interesting to me that most people's taste in music, film, clothing seems to ossify at a particular point in time. — Tom Storm

YES, that's exactly what I'm trying to illustrate. Myself included, the only difference being that I'm (hopefully) aware of the phenomenon happening to me.

the 28 year-olds are laughing at the 22 year-old's musical taste, muttering about how music isn't what it used to be. — Tom Storm

Haha, my work experience is similar, but with different ages. I hadn't realized how "weird" my taste in music was until this 24 (?) year old guy got hired and my other co-worker informed me that my musical choices "gave him anxiety".

Glad to see the forum perspective on porn shifting from positive to negative over the years. I remember getting laughed off the screen for suggesting porn was detrimental years ago.

At the risk of tooting my own horn, I feel that most of y'all are perpetuating and embodying the point I made above:

I think our perception of originality in music (or whatever art form) is often just a projection unto the external world of our own experience of being exposed to new music. As we age, new music or art seems less original because it doesn't match our past seminal experiences of newness. We tend to chase that first "hit" of a perception-altering musical or artistic experience in the same way an addict chases that first high. — Noble Dust

The mistake made is that one's own perception of a sort of musical "pantheon" is just exactly that; one's own perception. The fallacy is that one's own perception of some pantheon represents some sort of objective reality, which it does not.

People I respect are Beck fans, but I never wrapped my head around his music. Thanks for this, I like it. Reminds me of Robin Trower.

Mad Max: Fury Road — Moliere

Ah add this to my list.

I’m not a big film buff but here’s a few:

Children of Men
Stalker
The Lord of the Rings
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (2011)
Mirror

Y'all know the story of Miles cover of that song? Supposedly Miles was driving around the Upper East Side and saw David walking down the street. He pulled over and was like "Come check out the version of your tune I recorded, dude". He brought David back to his place, played him the track, and David in no uncertain terms told him how much he hated it. Miles kicked him out.

I think our perception of originality in music (or whatever art form) is often just a projection unto the external world of our own experience of being exposed to new music. As we age, new music or art seems less original because it doesn't match our past seminal experiences of newness. We tend to chase that first "hit" of a perception-altering musical or artistic experience in the same way an addict chases that first high. This leads to this sense of disillusionment that characterizes your commentary, I think.

I learned to use LogicPro — Wayfarer

I use Logic as well. Quite a powerful program. I've been using it for over 10 years and am still learning it. It's a bit of an endless rabbit hole.

In a way, yes. I made a thread awhile back about the gestation periods of art forms. I'm of the position that music has peaked and is on the decline. Kind of depressing, but I think it's the reality. In terms of talent taking a back seat to someone's looks, or the mass produced nature of modern music, I always have to remind myself that the music industry is an industry; it exists to make money like any other industry.

Musical artistry can exist independently from the music industry. Musical artists like myself who still have day jobs can still create authentic music and share it with a few people.

I don't know much earlier Stravinsky, so this is pretty interesting:

My favorite cathartic angry music is probably Nine Inch Nails.

Stunning

My attempts at a 180proof-ian idiolect were grossly foiled by my failed attempts at forum formatting. Imagine a lot more bolded and underlined type in my post above.

True, that was an ad hominem, to which I apologize, although I would continue to describe your attacks on Sam's ideas as fundamentalist.

No nerve was struck, and I'm not a "magical {wishful} thinker", although that's certainly an ad hominem on your part.

As to your fundie type, Karen Armstrong describes fundamentalists in "The Battle For God" as those who are disenfranchised from a tradition that is being taken away by the modern world. In your case, what's being taken away is the tradition of the strident materialism of the first half of the century, if I'm not mistaken. :wink:

Thanks, subscribed. Your veracity in research certainly seems strong, and the out-of-hand dismissals of fundamentalists like @180 Proof only point to the veracity of the research. Keep on. I personally would like to see specific literature that you're referencing for your research. Peer reviewed studies linked, etc.

In those days, a strange wanderer named @Agustino fell in with them. And lo, he created mayhem and havoc wherever they might go, until he mysteriously disappeared, having most likely been taken up to heaven without tasting death.

This morning I had left over fries diced up and re-fried, topped with provolone and ketchup. Unhealthy but tasty.

My favorite Guthrie Govan video is this in which Hans Zimmer awkwardly watches him solo and doesn't know what to do with his hands:

Wow, I'm ashamed of how far behind I am on this thread. Some wiki rabbit trail today put me back on to this obscure English early modern composer. There's an austerity that speaks to my present musical mind.



As to the Coltrane conversation re: @busycuttingcrap @Jamal @Amity @180 Proof, I'm partial to his last years. This track, Welcome, is to me his magnum opus. Devastatingly beautiful and life affirming. A true "tune" in the tune-iest sense.

during my introductory philosophy classes — Hanover

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