Furthermore, one questions what shadow sorrow casts on walls; gladness, hunger, sleepiness, thougths, feelings. If they don't have a shadow, they don't have a form (this I admit is debatable) and if they don't have a Form, they don't exist. But hunger exists. Therefore it has a Form. What image do we see on the cave wall that corresponds to hunger?

Obviously the wall shadows are not the only projections that we experience in life, but shadows of other Forms, which can't be projected as shadows.

How did Socrates or Plato deal with the Forms that must exist, yet they have no objects that form shadows?

Good question, Fooloso4.

What I am saying, is that Forms or Ideals are not impossible, according to Plato and Socrates; they are real, they exist.

If that is true, then all the chairs whose silhouette images we see on the cave walls, can be combined (properly) to produce the Form of a chair.

This ought not to be impossible, given enough data (observation of silhouettes) and combining power (human mind possibly with computer help).

My question remains, can you see this opinion of mine (once properly understood) as a way to get to the Forms of things, and Plato and Socrates just did not think of this approach?

Of course if there exists a proof that it is impossible to create the Forms, then the Forms don't exist, and the images on the cave wall are not a good analogy of how we ought to observe reality.

Morality has a survival advantage for the species and for the individual.

Therefore it is conceivable that morality entered the evolutionary process spontaneously or randomly, and as it turned out to be a survival advantage, many organizations (such as species, and Humanism) survived which otherwise maybe would have perished.

There, I just did this from the opening post.

Please note: this negates the point in the opening post which states that there is no room for morality in evolution. it is true that evolution has no principles and no guidance; in that sense, it has no morality. But some systems incorporated morality in their evolution. It's like evolution has no plans for legs to develop, and it has no legs, but those species that have legs are better off than those that don't. As a crude example.