Massive props to you dude. That book, after it very rough first 240 pages, just goes nuts. Utterly crazy, fun and brilliant! — Manuel

Finished yesterday, quite the trip, in the hallucinatory sense.

A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict by Mark Tessler

Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon

Holy shit Israel Tells U.N. that all of North Gaza (over 1M people) has 24 Hours to Move South

I brought up the statistics to support my statement that a really, really large percentage of Palestinians do not want a two state solution. Obviously children and infants aren't counted in that, because they don't vote and they can't decide anyway.

For a two state solution to be viable, Palestinians have to want it. — flannel jesus

The Israeli's have long abandoned the idea of a two-state solution, the Israeli government including Netanyahu, explicitly so. The idea of a two-state solution has not been serious for decades.

Majority of Palestinians support Hamas, which lists in its charter a goal of eradicating the Jews entirely. — flannel jesus

40% of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are 14 years old and under. 60% are 24 and under. The oldest of this cohort would have been seven years old when Hamas came to power. Besides the fact that supporting a political organization shouldn't warrant death sentence or justify depriving an individual of fundamental human rights or any other form of dehumanization, as I stated early in this thread, what precisely is the onus of responsibility assumed by a territory comprised primarily of minors and young adults?

This idea that Israel wants to push Palestine into the sea is a projection of what Palestine wants to do to Israel. If Israel wanted to fully annihilated Palestine, they could, but they don't. On the other hand, if Palestine could annihilate Israel, they would, but they can't. — Hanover

This is a typical argument whereby Palestine is being penalized for what they hypothetically could do, (regardless of any actual objective) while the Israeli government is excused for what they actually do. The Israeli government (and dutiful citizens) has been systemically cutting off population centers in the West Bank by creating illegal settlements that are off limits to Palestinians. Is this not a form of "annihilation" by kosher means?

No serious critic of Israel is going to condone Hamas' targeting of civilians, but understand that the actions committed by Hamas - so often labeled as terrorist - have also been committed twentyfold by the Israeli government, which has indiscriminately killed Palestinian civilians, including children and the elderly, or knowingly murdered journalists and medics with impunity. According to UN's OCHA, from 2008-2023 (excluding the October 2023 Conflict) Palestinian causalities exceed Israeli by 21x, while Palestinian injuries exceed Israeli injuries by nearly 24x. It is equally unserious for discussion to exclude this essential context, in addition to the horrific apartheid conditions that Israeli has imposed including severe restriction on travel, an air, sea and land blockade, which placed restrictions on the goods and services that can enter including medical goods and services, food, water and energy. This is an undeniable form of quotidian violence. Furthermore, of the two million Palestinians approximately half are under 19 years old, with over half the entire population living under the poverty line - a direct result of Israel's blockade. What precisely is the onus of responsibility assumed by a territory comprised primarily of minors?

A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II by Gerhard L Winberg

It has always surprised? confused? me how often the Treaty of Westphalia is referenced (blamed?), 375 years later, in relation to current international relations. Let us know what you think when you're done. — T Clark

The book was very interesting and certainly worth a read. While the book's main thrust is to revaluate the Treaty of Westphalia's historical relevancy in modern International Relations in contrast to the (then?) dominate theories of IR, primarily Neorealism and Constructivism, Teschke goes beyond the Baroque period, analyzing Feudal and Absolutist modes of production and property relation in order to establish the Treaty of Westphalia as a outcome of continental European Absolutism, i.e. pre-modern. Modernity, or rather the modernizing process of IR, according to Teschke, begins with the uneven and combined development of the nascent agrarian capitalist Britain as it struggles with continental European powers. In addition to critiquing Neorealism and Constructivism, Teschke examines theories of Capitalist origin and development, siding with Political Marxism, which at the time of publication was at the apex of it's orthodoxy. He does a very good job of outlining Political Marxist viewpoints and contrasting them with World-Systems Theory, and the former's relationship with alternative International Theories. However, here Teschke, as with other Political Marxists (e.g. Wood, Brenner), falls into the theoretical limitations and historical narrowness of Political Marxism, as expounded by Neil Davidson, Alexander Anievas and Kerem Nisancioglu et. al. Certainly well worth reading.

The Myth of 1648: Class, Geopolitics and the Making of Modern International Relations by Benno Teschke

I also heard it will ruin you. Curious. — Noble Dust

Just finished it and the answer is yes.

A Mountain to the North, a Lake to the South, Paths to the West, a River to the East by László Krasznahorkai

Heard this one is great. Been on my To-Read for a while. — fdrake

It's fantastic, the prose is breathtaking at times.

Finished Don Quixote a few weeks back.

Over halfway through Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy

Any guesses how much bail the judge will set for Seditionist-Traitor-Rapist1 in Fulton County, Georgia? — 180 Proof

Just got back from vacation, looks like 200K, I would have guessed 100K

Conspiracy Against the Human Race - Thomas Ligotti
The Trouble With Being Born - Emil Cioran
Nihil Unbound - Ray Brassier — fdrake

Hell yes

Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes

Very cool! I'd heard that the quite long film version of Satantango was actually very well made and well received, but I've yet to see it.

I didn't know Werckmeister Harmonies existed, nor that it was an adaptation of the novel. I'd think that Melancholy of Resistance would make a better movie than Satantango, so I might check it out. Thanks for the heads up. — Manuel

After being mostly unavailable Werckmeister Harmonies has a new 4K restoration with a limited theatrical release around the United States. Not sure where you live, but I would recommend seeing it in theaters if possible. Otherwise, it should be out in blu ray sometime this year I imagine. However, unlike Satantango, Werkmeister does not cover the entire book from which it's based.

Satantango has an excellent 4K restoration that was released on blu ray a few years back. The runtime is daunting but I highly recommend you attempt to view it in one sitting (obviously with pee breaks as nature demands). It's how Tarr wishes it was viewed, and the runtime itself is part of the film's overall atmosphere and mood. It's one of my favorite films, would love to see it in theaters one day.

Just finished The Melancholy of Resistance - it took longer than I would have liked, I lost a bit of focus towards the last 3rd of the book, with the exception of the concluding chapter. — Manuel

You might be interested to know I just saw Bela Tarr, Laszlo Krasznahorkai's cinematic collaborator, in-person in NYC on Monday in a very rare US appearance (his last visit to the states was 12 years ago). He introduced 4 of his movies, followed by a Q&A, which included Werckmeister Harmonies, which is based on Krasznahorkai's The Melancholy of Resistance, and he helped write the screenplay. He signed my DVD of Satantango! Very friendly (and pretty funny!) man.

My fairly incautious guess, at this point, is thatDeSantis beats Trump in the primary, the latter forms his own independent party sabotaging the Republican vote in the general and Biden cruises into another four terms. — Maw

lol what a dumbass

Don Quixote might be up next

The Long Twentieth Century: Money, Power and the Origins of Our Times by Giovanni Arrighi

Mariners, Renegades and Castaways: The Story of Herman Melville and the World We Live In by C. L. R. James

Caravaggio: The Complete Works by Sebastian Schutze

Very cool

The Persistence of the Old Regime: Europe to the Great War by Arno J. Mayer

Just finished The Melancholy of Resistance - it took longer than I would have liked, I lost a bit of focus towards the last 3rd of the book, with the exception of the concluding chapter.

I can only compare it to Satantango, his only other novel I've read. It's hard to pick one, without spoilers, it seems to me that Melancholy is richer in general content than Satantango, and yet, and yet, the way the ending of Satantango went, tuned it from a decent book to a complete masterpiece, essentially focusing on a simple, yet very powerful philosophical idea/literary trick.

I struggled less with Satantango, and I felt it was somewhat more coherent, but again, Melancholy was richer in plurality of ideas... I suppose that Satantango's execution was just too good, so I'd give it the edge.

How does Baron Wenckheim's Homecoming compare with these two works?

I'll probably read one or two easy novels, then go back to a challenging one, then on to Baron - it requires some effort.

Any general thoughts? — Manuel

Melancholy of Resistance and Satantango are my two favorite books of Krasznahorkai, I'm not sure if I could pick my preference between the two. The concluding chapters for both are sublime. Baron Wenckheim's Homecoming was his only work I didn't fully enjoy. I think it was overly long. I do also recommend Seiobo There Below, which is composed of a number of shorter stories, and War & War. I also loved Chasing Homer which incorporated a music element via QR code. Very interesting. If you enjoy film, and how can anyone not, I recommend his collaborative work with director Bela Tarr.

1848: Year of Revolution by Michael Rapport

Let's see in 2024 if you are a fortuneteller, Maw. — ssu

we'll see, my DeSantis 2024 stock is decreasing week by week although it's also not clear what Trump's future holds.

The New Spirit of Capitalism by Eve Chiapello and Luc Boltanski

Best cast overall….. — Mww

Might be Oliver Stone's JFK

Melancholy of Resistance by László Krasznahorkai — Manuel

Great book

My fairly incautious guess, at this point, is that DeSantis beats Trump in the primary, the latter forms his own independent party sabotaging the Republican vote in the general and Biden cruises into another four terms.

How likely do you think it is that Nikki Haley will be the first female president of the US — frank

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Of Angelopoulos I've seen only Eternity and a Day - loved it. The music is still stuck in my head. — SophistiCat

Angelopoulos is one of my favorite directors. Sham his movies are so difficult to come by. Music is an important element in The Weeping Meadow.

Would love to attend in NYC but I have a conflicting schedule unfortunately. I did read the Grundrisse along with his video series several years back.

Never heard of it. Sounds interesting. — T Clark

Can't go wrong with Klaus Kinski

What did you think of Brewster McCloud? — Joshs

Haven't seen it, but I did enjoy Altman's Nashville and The Long Goodbye

Also check out McCabe and Mrs. Miller and The Great Silence

Some of you need to watch more non-American films

Another film I recommend of him is Good Morning (お早よう, Ohayō). — javi2541997

Love Good Morning. His silent film,I Was Born, But... which is loose remake, is also excellent.

Anything by Bergman is good, and Seventh Seal is certainly up there — but for me, Persona may be his greatest. — Mikie

(I'll check out Persona which I've never seen.) — 180 Proof

Persona is my favorite Bergman :up:

No order (and subject to change)

Seven Samurai (1954) - Kurosawa
Harakiri (1962) - Kobayashi
Alice in the Cities (1974) - Wenders
The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) - Dreyer
Satantango (1994) - Tarr
Apur Sansar (1959) - Ray
The Weeping Meadow (2004) - Angelopoulos
L'Eclisse (1962) - Antonioni
Late Spring (1949) - Ozu
Dersu Uzala - (1985) - Kurosawa

Some of the above could rotate with (but not limited to) the below:

Ran (1985) - Kurosawa
Spirit of the Beehive (1973) - Erice
Cleo from 5-7 (1962) - Varda
Landscape in the Mist (1988) - Angelopoulos
The Tree of Wooden Clogs (1978) - Olmi