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At the speed of light I lose my grasp on everything. The speed of absurdity.GR is so illogic. E.g. if you live on Mars and work in London, if you wanna travel by the speed of light (in order to arrive earlier) you have to leave home earlier, which is contrary to all daily empirical tests. So this is an empirical counter-argument. GR is false!
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At the speed of light I lose my grasp on everything. The speed of absurdity.True. You will see GR's success fade away soon. And l don't need to know science or to test something illogic. GR's success is due to the fact that it is not entirely wrong, not because it's correct. GR is based on the idealistic thought that the universe revolves around the observer.
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At the speed of light I lose my grasp on everything. The speed of absurdity.I am not a sciebtist, but I have seen different plausible variants. You can check on YT. But even if we didn't have alternatives, I don't think believing in absurd things like time curvature is a good way to do science. Time is like probabilities - just a human tool.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Quoting is more important than the idea itself. Quote, or otherwise nobody believes you. Trust me, I've been through this before.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?What he says it is, is the consequence of billons of unconscious cellular interactions that give rise to the emergence of first-perso — Kenosha Kid
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At the speed of light I lose my grasp on everything. The speed of absurdity.There are many ways in which you could reach the same result. Pilot wave for example is a theory with no less success in empirical results than probabilistic QM, which is totally different. So the empirically verified argument isn't enough to defy the logic and common-sense.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Saying Einstein was wrong is a blasphemy.
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At the speed of light I lose my grasp on everything. The speed of absurdity.Relativity is absurd, wrong and I hope it will soon dissapear. To believe time and space curve it's simply hilarious.
I would argue relativity also harm science. For example, the pilot wave view which explains Quantum Mechanics in a very nice, non-mystical and deterministic way, it's not popular among scientists is because it is inconsistent with relativity.
Scientists have to accept that Einsten was at best a cool dude, but not a god, and he was simply wrong. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Some of you argued about Dennett's view. Let me explain:
1. Dennet doesn't give a damn about the consciousness, his point was to make us believe that it isn't ''extraordinary'', because anything that is out of the ordinary scares the atheist inside him.
2. Therefore, Dennett refutes the panpsychist view by saying everything that consciousness is made of is just dead matter, so it is just an emergent property of dead unconsciouss matter. Panpsychism is far from being a theistic view, but it does imply something extraordinary about reality, and again, everything extraordinary, even if does not directly imply God, simply scares Dennett.
3. The problem with that is that if this were the case, than it would be even more than extraordinary, I would say magic: to add things with 0 value of something and to get something with a value greater than 0. That's not extraordinary, it's magic.
4. So Dennett doesn't say consciousness doesn't exist, because he knows he'd be ridiculous. Dennet, on one hand, denies the ''extraordinary'' and translates the ''magic'' of the emergence into ''tricks'' in order to look banal. As long as everything remains banal, there is simply no room for God.
This is why Dennet is so ambiguous. His purpose wasn't consciousness but that of denying everything that might imply a God, even if very indirectly.
So yes, this guy is truly is a ''bag of tricks''! -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I don't read this as denying consciousness so much as pointing out that it is post hoc. — Banno
Things have just become complicated again, apparently. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Might it be that you were mistaken in asserting that these folk exist? — Banno
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?SO, who denies the existence of consciousness? — Banno
Come one man, I've been asked several times, I have provided with links and I have mentioned I've seen this in various documentaries, articles, etc. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?No, and although I have mentioned him, I wasn't the one who brought him up in this debate.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I am not a native speaker and I pay little attention to writing when I debate. It's bad... I know.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?SO, who is it that claims consciousness does not exist? — Banno
And my answer was...? I really don't remember mentioning names. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I do, but my memory is short. Could you please tell me who that folk is?
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?You goata long way to go to reach my record, friend. — Banno
Nothing can stop me!!! -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?folk named on the first page do not actually do what you claimed in your OP? — Banno
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?But that's exactly what I was doing;
Eugen's opinions = biases and personal beliefs.
My opinions = rational, self-evident common sense. — Banno
I agree. But you also have to agree you're jealous of my success hahaha -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I think you're forgetting some key definitions
Other people's opinions = biases and personal beliefs.
My opinions = rational, self-evident common sense — Isaac
My opinion is biased (which, by the way, doesn't automatically makes it invalid) in the sense of beliving that when you are searching for the truth, you should forget about previous beliefs. I see no difference between a guy denying consciousness and those who claim dinosaurs didn't exist but they were planted by the devil to make people believe Earth is older than 7000 years. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Other people's opinions = biases and personal beliefs.
My opinions = rational, self-evident common sense — Isaac
Finally, a good point ))) -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Dude, it was just a question. — Banno
Ok, I didn't see the ''?'' -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?have indicated that you might have a theistic bias — Banno
1. Please show me exactly those things indicating I am a theist.
2. Even if I were a theist, would that be sufficient to make me being wrong? I see absolutely no relevance, you should bring some arguments for that too. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I think therefore I am begs the question why / how do you think? — Pop
Thank you too!
I think begging the question means nothing in terms of the obviousness of the fact that we exist and have consciousness. It is the most obvious thing, we are in a direct experience with it and I truly believe that those who argue with that and find all kind of long complicated explanations to make others feel that things are much complicated than they seem to be, are either crazy or they just don't accept things that are in conflict with their previous beliefs.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?But garnering four pages in a day. Isn't that a good OP? — Banno
My problem with some philosophers and scientists is that they come with a baggage of personal beliefs and sometimes they just reject everything that gets into conflict with their previous beliefs. After all, they are more humans in the classical sense than ''rational beings''.
I didn't expect to be successful with this question because it is neither philosophical nor scientific, so the success of this thread represents exactly the proof of the human nature comes first :) -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Ok, I think you have a point. I have also noticed the toxic influence of the media. I also think Dennett is a "cool guy", but I also think he cares more about being popular. My yesterday sources were simple google searches, nothing more. I have heard and seen different folks stating absurd things, but I simply cannot remember the names of the documentaries, or of the magazines or websites. Maybe with a more advanced search I would be able to find them, but I won't do it. But maybe they were just for sensational publicity, I do not deny this possibility. I am neither a scientist, nor a philosopher, so I don't dig for deeper meanings when it comes to opinions.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Terminologies are not important for me. If materialism is an atheistic view and it does not believe in a magic soul for example, I have no problem with it. But denying fundamentally obvious things just because you're afraid that it might be a weak point in your atheistic view or just because it shows science is limited, it represents a problem for me, especially because it's so anti-science.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?It is not a philosophical question, but it's about philosophy.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?http://www.scielo.org.co/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0121-36282019000100009 another example. I do not remember their names, I just read stuff on the internet.
- I don't find it relevant. I think the guy brings good arguments on the table. I also do not believe all those who are not materialists accuse materialists of denying consciousness for no reason.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?But materialism seems to have a fragile majority according to John Searle, Chalmers, and others. They also claim materialists simply deny consciousness, and I've heard these guys saying this over and over again. Maybe they are lying, but I have also seen people doing it.
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?Who are the Deniers? I have in mind—at least—those who fully subscribe to something called “philosophical behaviorism” as well as those who fully subscribe to something called “functionalism” in the philosophy of mind. — Wheatley
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How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?You really need to cite your sources if your making that kind of claim. — Wheatley
The video you've posted. He says consciousness is ''a bag of tricks'', it is not magic, and it does not reflect the reality with 100% accuracy. I don't deduce from that consciousness isn't real, I just deduce it isn't what we believe it is. -
How come ''consciousness doesn't exist'' is so popular among philosophers and scientists today?I don't think they have said outright consciousness is not real. — Forgottenticket
I wasn't talking about Dennet, I have actually mentioned he admits consciousness is real.
Eugen
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