Been a long time buddy. Come back to the forum! It needs all the rationality it can get at this moment in history :lol:

Just pointing out a double standard. — Hanover

Yeah, so saying it makes January 6th look like “child’s play” is simply pointing out a double standard.

Fair and balanced.

This is a direct attack on democracy, making the removal of ballot bins and the storming of the Capitol look like child's play. — Hanover

It’s not good, but putting a conservative spin on it like this is NOS territory. It’s also worth noting that Fox sources always add their slant.

They have missed numerous statutory deadlines, skipped filing fees, submitted the wrong names on the nomination petitions, and some failed to hold conventions," Olasanoye said. "None of these candidates are qualified to be on the Georgia ballot."

But yeah, definitely worse than storming the Capitol to overthrow an election you didn’t like the result of.

What a fucking joke.

Is it really money or what? — John McMannis

There are all kinds of reasons. Some of it relates to a certain interpretation of the Bible, appeals to tradition, fear of change, etc. But mostly it’s the massive propaganda machine that has been well documented. See Naomi Orestes, for one: Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming.

Anyone who denies the obvious at this point is, put simply and frankly, an idiot or a dupe.

What Trump 2.0 Could Mean for the Environment

As president, Donald Trump’s sweeping attempts to roll back federal environmental regulations were often stymied — by the courts, by a lack of experience, even by internal resistance from government employees.

But if he retakes the White House in November, Mr. Trump would be in a far better position to dismantle environmental and climate rules, aided by more sympathetic judges and conservative allies who are already mapping out ways to bend federal agencies to the president’s will.

“It’s going to be easier,” said Myron Ebell, who led the transition at the Environmental Protection Agency after Mr. Trump won in 2016. “They’re going to have better people, more committed people, more experienced people. They will be able to move more quickly, and more successfully, in my view.”

On the campaign trail, Mr. Trump has promised to repeal federal regulations designed to cut greenhouse gas pollution that is rapidly heating the planet. Many of his allies want to go further. They are drafting plans to slash budgets, oust career staffers, embed loyalists in key offices and scale back the government’s powers to tackle climate change, regulate industries and restrict hazardous chemicals.

Trump and the climate deniers in the Republican Party are mind-numbingly stupid. No logic, no economic sense, no care for future generations, no facts, no evidence— nothing sways their absolute, unwavering commitment to destroying the planet.

Is the fossil fuel money and propaganda that powerful? Apparently.

No "fantasizing", just talking about what the orange shit "deserves" as you said. — 180 Proof

He probably does deserve to die, given the irreparable harm and deaths he has and will cause. But unlike the Trump cult, there are still principles worth adhering to. Like not assassinating people.

Our resident Trump cultist has exactly no principles or values. Just unadulterated party politics. And watered down Ayn Rand. But it’s always there for a laugh!

panty-wasted and woke soys — NOS4A2

The Trump cult, and most of the right wing, are obsessed with gender. “Woke soys” lol. I had to google what “soy” means in this context.

Obsession with whatever goofy ideas of masculinity they have — almost always a sign of latent homosexuality and subsequent fear. So it goes.

Compared to previous US presidents and even the current one, he's a lightweight when it comes to wanton destruction. — Tzeentch

Except the irreversible damage to the environment and taking us backwards on climate mitigation — which is already doing innumerable harms. Appointing a fossil fuel lawyer as head of the EPA probably does deserve the death penalty, morally — but I’m not in favor of assassination.

Of course none of that matters to his supporters, who are outright climate deniers. Including you. So I don’t pretend like reality matters to you.

Also take a look at his one legislative achievement: a massive tax break for corporate America, who he’s always slavishly served.

Or letting thousands die of Covid because he didn’t want to deal with it, saying it would be gone by Easter.

But other than that he was great.

What was that bet again? $10.00 to charity of choice? Looks like I'm about to pay up. — Wayfarer

I forget the exact bet, so you’re off the hook. I thought it was about Biden being the nominee?

I'm more of a free trader. — fishfry

Well the Trump cult does love their delusions.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any particular policy I didn't like. — fishfry

Wow.

Frankly he is becoming the right's Jesus figure. — Shawn

Oh definitely. It’s basically more powerful than the church at this point.

Years of priming believers for unquestioning loyalty — in the church, but also in sports fanaticism, the WWE, country music, conservatives talk radio (Rush Limbaugh et al), Fox News — has coalesced into what you see today.

Have you hand it to Trump and his base: they toughed it out and took over one of the two business parties. Now, thanks to Democrats, they have the chance to do even more damage for 4 years.

We’re not a bright country.

Modern society is decaying; and this decay is a direct result of moral anti-realism — Bob Ross

Decaying from what to what?

To attribute the cause to some philosophical jargon that no one cares about except philosophy hobbyists seems far fetched.

Trump is a cynical asshole— America’s Hitler, really. Anyone who votes for him is an idiot.

Can I be Vice President now?

McConnell booed at the convention.

Not because he’s an awful human being and did irreversible harm to the United States and the world— but because he wasn’t stupid enough. Didn’t go along with the fantasies of a stolen election and J6 being a “peaceful tout” and Trump being an innocent man. Booo!!

The Republicans are the party of idiots. But they are the party of creationists and climate deniers, so this should have been known years ago. The transition to the MAGA cult was only natural.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/15/us/trump-rnc-news-biden

JD Vance. Goofy choice.

Anyway — remember when I said this would die down in a week? Well make it’s a few days, because once Trump gets up to talk, we’re right back to normal. Polls are still close.

Trump has everything going his way right now, against a weak opponent— and he’ll still likely lose. Too bad the RNC have no values or principles.

Cannon is just an idiot. Or corrupt. Or a corrupt idiot. — Michael

:up:

I vote corrupt idiot — as most Trump appointees are.

He's a negotiator. He puts up skyscrapers in Manhattan. — fishfry

:lol:

Why anyone bothers talking to Trumpers is puzzling. But I puzzle myself— as I keep doing it.

Ask yourself how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).
— Mikie

You mean when a black cop shot an unarmed young white woman to death? — fishfry

No, I mean how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).

but the current score and situation on the field matters. — Hanover

Not historically, at least with polling. They don’t matter much until a week before the election.

But there’s no doubt Trump has had a very good political run these past few weeks.

acting like the assassination attempt was just another Friday without far reaching consequences is just head burying — Hanover

No one is acting like that. This was a big deal— but the “far reaching” part is bogus.

Joe Biden said some words, and thus he tried assassinating Trump. I remember someone railing against such logic.

It’s as if there’s no consistency or principle whatsoever. :chin:

Anyway — criminals should be in jail and insurrectionists probably shouldn’t be on the ballot and private companies can censor anyone they want, particularly those who incite an insurrection. But nice Gish gallop.

“Trump was just elected today.” Such an original thought. Repeated probably 500 million times in less than 24 hours.

Actually, no he wasn’t. There’s four months to Election Day, and this will be a blip everywhere by then, except conservative talk radio and Fox News. And maybe Twitter — but they’re irrelevant now anyway.

Now we all have to pretend the Right doesn’t have more violent rhetoric? Lol

Here’s my theory: it was Richard Simmons. He was hired by the secret service!

Now Elon endorsed Trump. :rofl:

Shocker. The hysterics and conspiracies continue…hilarious.

Here come the conspiracies. Right on cue.

:rofl:

The hysterics are amazing.

He’ll be whining for years about this, of course. Someone else actually died— but he’ll milk his papercut for all it’s worth.

If he actually got shot and jumped up to fist pump— that would be something. As soon as everything was safe and he was surrounded by secret service— that’s when he immediately started the theater.

Eh, whatever. Let the tough guy have his few days in the news.

I imagine Trump’s poll numbers may jump a couple points because of this. If he were smart — which he isn’t — he would be gracious and thank Joe and others who have wished him well and condemned the violence.

But we all know what will really happen. Get ready for conspiracy theories and fundraising, folks.

Trump has the equivalent of being cut shaving, and look at the tears and outrage from the cult. :lol:


:yawn:

At least they know what schoolchildren face every day thanks to their sick policies. Thoughts and prayers.

Already bored. NOS has turned it into Trump propaganda, as usual. :yawn: I wonder if he’ll change his profile picture again? Fingers crossed!

Trump pumping his fist after an assassination attempt will reverberate through history — NOS4A2

:rofl:

It’ll reverberate on Twitter for a week.

I imagine the long term effects are more likely to be in the form of Trump being more vindictive and focused on retribution against his political enemies — Count Timothy von Icarus

So no real change.

—

Anyway— remember when his mug shot was supposed to be the biggest thing of all time? Now it’s barely mentioned or remembered.

Mistake to downplay it. — Wayfarer

Just a long time between now and November and America has an attention span of a gnat. So unless he finds a way to milk this for four months, I don’t see it changing much. If he had gotten hit in tje shoulder or something, that’d be different.

In any case, I’m reading nothing but “speedy recoveries” and condemnations from Democrats, from Obama on down. I assume Biden will make an official statement.

This alleged assasination attempt, if that is what it is, will play right into their hands, right into Trump's 'martyr for the righteous cause' meme. Heaven help us. — Wayfarer

Gives him a good photo, but otherwise won’t matter much by November. Just a graze on the ear.

I don’t like seeing that, honestly — despite Trump being awful. Crazy shit.

Richard Simmons.

Shannon Dorherty wasn’t one I expected.

Dr Ruth.

Another one off the list.

Maybe you didn't see the videos of them being let in. I did. — fishfry

Yeah, maybe watch less Sean Hannity.

The Floyd riots killed 20 people. — fishfry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests

Ask yourself how the Capitol police would respond to black or brown people. I doubt very much they’d be “letting them in,” to the extent that that even happened (you know, apart from breaking windows and ramming down doors).

But nevermind— just go on pretending it the insurrection was nothing. Years from now I’m sure it’ll be remembered as a tour — in conservative media anyway.

"A riot is the voice of the unheard." Except when the unheard are the deplorables. — fishfry

Except when it’s about racism and some property is damaged. Then it’s screamed about for years. Meanwhile, a few months later a bunch of white people storm the Capitol building in an attempt to stop the electoral college vote, and they were “let in” — and after years of spin, we should deny what we all saw that day and tell ourselves it’s no big deal.

Because if it were the Black Lives Matter crowd, I’m sure we’d be saying the same thing. And I’m sure only one insurrectionist would have been shot.

The hypocrisy is laughable.