the idea of proof here is too subjective. — Sam26

Okay.

Do you have any kind of response to my argument? — Bartricks

That was my response.

So, what is in fashion these days? — Alkis Piskas

Ask a scientist.

docile, compliant — Thunderballs

Not me! :cool:

We're just sheeple.

So?... — stoicHoneyBadger

Just saying...

The public merely observes. — Thunderballs

Some even participate.

probably the UN did — stoicHoneyBadger

Get back to me when you find out...

A fact is a fact because our theories make them a fact. — Thunderballs

I think you're right. It's the public who decide what a "facts" is, not armchair philosophers.

mental activity is happening in the brain. — Alkis Piskas

Sounds like outdated science.

Everyone may know what a fact is but I am not sure what everyone thinks a fact is. — Athena

The word 'fact' is often used throughout the English speaking world. Some philosophers believe that nouns like 'fact' have an exact meaning. I'm not sure what could be the exact meaning of fact. :confused:

they all are based on the same idea — stoicHoneyBadger

Who cooked up the idea?

There's a virus on the loose. And it kills some of those who get it. Well, do we have to give up 9 months freedom in order to prevent those people from being killed? — Bartricks

Your misrepresenting the facts to support your case.

I would ague that "climate science" in the form currently promoted by IPCC — stoicHoneyBadger

As if the IPCC is the only legitimate organization "promoting" climate change... :scream:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Climate_change_organizations

Wittgenstein starts by asking an important question. “But could we imagine a language in which a person could write down or give vocal expression to his inner experiences—his feelings, moods, and the rest—for his private use?” — Sam26

Since when did philosophers become experts on limits of human imagination?

I can imagine it. Prove me wrong.

'Stuff'.

ECONOMICS is at its heart about distribution of resources — I like sushi

Sounds like Krugman's definition:

Economics is the social science that studies how people interact with value; in particular, the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services.
Krugman, Paul; Wells, Robin (2012). Economics (3rd ed.). Worth Publishers. p. 2. ISBN 978-1-4641-2873-8. wiki

now about my "haha". — Thunderballs

Just be yourself!

Don't get me wrong: if there's a dangerous virus on the loose — Bartricks

Is COVID-19 dangerous?

Telemarketers and infomercials.

I was about to write the same! — Thunderballs

Careful of contrarian ideas, or you'll end up on the moderators radar. :scream:

I studied History — Caldwell

You studied a history.

Reich was much encouraged by the meeting and hoped he would be invited to join Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study.[114] During their next meeting, he gave Einstein a small accumulator, and over the next 10 days Einstein performed experiments with it in his basement, which involved taking the temperature above, inside and near the device, and stripping it down to its Faraday cage to compare temperatures. He observed an increase of temperature, which Reich argued was caused by orgone.[n 5] One of Einstein's assistants pointed out that the temperature was lower on the floor than on the ceiling.[n 6] Einstein concluded that the effect was simply due to the temperature gradient inside the room. "Through these experiments I regard the matter as completely solved", he wrote to Reich on 7 February 1941.[115]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich

Christianity in the fourth and fifth century went out of its way to destroy temples and burn books; not just religious texts but all philosophical texts. It closed down the great philosophical schools in Alexandria and Athens, martyring not just Hypatia but others. Books were burned gleefully in the town square. Thousand-year old masterpieces were smashed and disfigured.

Something in the order of ninety percent of classical literature was destroyed in that period.

Christianity was the first of the Abrahamic monotheistic religion to achieve large scale political power. It immediately started persecution of non-Christians. Monotheism is an inherently intolerant doctrine.

Them's the facts. — Banno

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Have listened to Dawkins debate some Muslim guy and came to a few conclusions...

1. Dawkins focuses on the fact of Islam, or Christianity or any other religion being factually incorrect.
But what if the goal of a religion is not to be factually correct, but to give people moral guidance, thumos and social cohesion?

2. Giving moral guidance in a form of only 10 commandments or 4 noble truth, etc. just printed on a page would not have much interest, so it need to be wrapped in an intriguing story of a hero living out those believes.

3. The fact of the wrapper-story being factually correct or not has very little to do with whether the content is useful. After all, the 'secular humanism' Dawkins is promoting, is pretty much the same Christianity, just without the supernatural wrapper.

4. Looking at Afghanistan, it looks like the Muslims are winning. We might laugh about their religion being archaic, but they aren't the ones hanging from the helicopters. ;) So their religion, while being incorrect to say the least, gave them thumos and cohesion to take over the country in a week, yet Christians and atheists, while being much more powerful, don't have the balls to do anything about it. — stoicHoneyBadger

@Banno Were you responding to the OP?

What about that point?

Your point still stands. Whatever.

They'll never run out of gullible people...

Sure; but the point stands. — Banno

It's hard to follow your point when you didn't even bother to quote the OP!

all Christians — Banno

I find it disingenuous to group "all Christians" together. There are a lot of subsets of Christianity.

which is worst, false wisdom, false knowledge, or false information? — Ioannis Kritikos

False teeth.

Ok, whatever. My point stands. — Banno

:up:

The jews were not tolerated — Banno

By who?

Of course "laziness" on philosophy forum, on work, hobbies is a different kind of thing than laziness to resist the ancient will to spread one's own genes into this world — Antinatalist

That's a good point.

No, merely that some Christians are very tolerant people.

In the Jewish religion, the story of Passover talks about Egyptian slavery of the Jews. I was attempting to explain Hanover's post. I am sorry for not making an argument.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt — Hanover

Passover!

We can be an optimist and say it's self-correcting. — Caldwell

Science is a self-correcting system.

Christianity was the first of the Abrahamic monotheistic religion to achieve large scale political power. It immediately started persecution of non-Christians. Monotheism is an inherently intolerant doctrine.

Them's the facts. — Banno

:up: