Philosophy doesn't collect data.Can you define the boundaries of philosophy as something that doesn't strongly overlap with science? — Benj96
You might have better luck asking a scientist. Do you believe philosophy can answer these questions?I ask why such patterns or consistency should ever exist? Is a pattern a natural outcome of chaos or is chaos a natural outcome of patterns? — Benj96
:naughty:it’s right for them to rip people off it makes them feel good — Maya
The same thing goes for lottery tickets.You never know one day you might be surprised! — Maya
You might want to change the title of your thread.There must be something wrong with people who [rip people off] — Maya
It feels good to take heroin.If at the end of a decision you feel good, you have made the right decision for you. — Maya
Platonic ideal — Shawn
It is arguable, that Sauron is a two-dimensional being — Shawn
the personification of infinite excellence. — Shawn
He is a Platonic two-dimensional concept — Shawn
Sauron as a being endowed with harmony and order — Shawn
metaphysical being, no other being compares, — Shawn
God. — Shawn
A lot to unpack here... :yawn:infinite perception — Shawn
I approach this problem differently. I have this idea that "whatever goes up, must come down" (we call it 'gravity'). Suppose you came up to me and said, "you don't know that gravity exists." I throw up an apple, it goes up, and then goes down. I ask you if I just proved gravity exists. If you simply say "no," I will walk away and find someone more worthwhile to talk.I always thought people don't really know anything, because their ideas about the world could always be proven wrong, unless you've met every idea in the Universe that could ever possibly be created. So impossible to prove something to be objectively true/ true because possible ideas are infinite. — Maya
I'm still feeling a bit like this: :rage: But your suggestion is probably the best thing to do. Peace! :cheer:I have no idea of what your problem is, but I suggest we simply refrain from discussing this further.
Okay? — Frank Apisa
The elders told me not to listen to strangers. They warned me of those who wanted me institutionalized. Stories of frightening men have reached my village. Terrifying tales, the elders have spoken of the wicked and their use of evil vocabulary designed to deceive. I see it now, with your deformed words, "objective." Your psychiatric talk. I must go; I must go now! :scream:Best get to the objective truth of the matter then... — Nils Loc
I know all about the Kalam argument. One of my biggest problems with the argument is that there’s so much background knowledge needed to fully appreciate it. And I’m not saying that to compliment it neither. The argument has no meat to it; (that’s probably why it so appealing to those defending it). IMO, the best way to attack the argument is to expose the philosophical predispositions behind it. And believe me, there is a lot!I have some questions concerning The kalam cosmological argument.
This is the argument I'm working with: — PhilosophyNewbie
You have no moral high ground to be preaching ethics, nor do you have the respect to lecture me about honor. I see you even created a whole thread just to bash people who call themselves "atheists." Let's not have any pretense here; you never really wanted a better understanding of my philosophical position. Your sole intention was to put me down with your condescending posts and score points for yourself. If your goal is to engage in civilized debate, I suggest you work on your manners first. For starters, I wouldn't attack someone's personal beliefs in a thread that was designed by @Risk to be peaceful! I was having an amicable conversation with @tim wood before you decided to butt in! *talk about honor*If you can prove the assertion...do so. If you cannot (and considering this is a philosophical forum) you should withdraw it. That was not an order, it was a suggestion. It would be the honorable, ethical thing to do. — Frank Apisa
Suppose it does have "strong" logic behind it, it doesn't make it any more useful than the theory of the luminiferous ether, or reincarnation for that matter.I don't see it like this. Yes, it is just a theory and it does not claim it is more than that. Even if it has no empirocal evidence yet, it has a strong logic behind. — Eugen
Until they come up with a viable scientific experiment, nothing is going to be revealed by panpsychism. It's a pretty much useless theory as it stands.For example if consciousness is fundamental. — Eugen
@Banno raised that objection.What is the difference? If your post is correct, is it not true? It's as if a guilty man becomes innocent if he changes his name. — unenlightened
I got my patent on logic a while ago, and I'm currently working on a science patent. You won't be able to use the word 'subjective' without the risk of a lawsuit. I would be careful.'Subjective' is these days pretty much a term of abuse used by those who think they have the patent on logic and science. — unenlightened
Who invented the word 'subjectivity' anyhow? Let's murder them!.Thus we see it being argued that there can be no subjective truth. In which case it follows that there can be no subjective meaning. But then there is no meaning to 'objective truth' or 'objective meaning' either; there is simply 'meaning' and 'truth'. Distinctions are only meaningful and useful if they distinguish this from that. — unenlightened
Because knowledge = justified true belief?So here is the descent into madness: The only truth is objective truth, and there is no subjective truth. Therefore subjects cannot know things, only objects can. Therefore I am an object. — unenlightened
What 'truths' do you want to be revealed?Yes, but that doesn't mean it has no potential to reveal truths. — Eugen
Fair enough. I can use the words 'useful' or 'good' describing theories of truth. This way, we get over your logic requirement of non-circularity.All you will have done is used "correct" to mean "true." Not an improvement. — Banno
Theories of truth can be correct or incorrect. Just use the word 'correct' to describe a philosophical approach (or so-called 'theory') to addressing 'truth,' and the problem is solved.Just the simple logic that a theory of truth could only be true if it satisfied itself. — Banno
You tell me. And I don't know what "self-servingly circular" means.The philosophical theories of truth have one thing in common; they are none of them true. How could they be? If they were they would be self-servingly circular. — Banno
The fact that philosophers can come up with so many different and conflicting theories about a single word is convincing to me that the word 'truth' is slippery.It's not truth that is slippery - it's the theories. — Banno
That word never really appealed to me anyhow. Neither 'indeterminism.'Anscombe wrote this in a time of only nascent chaos theory, which could only serve to amplify her point. — Banno
I'm sure there's a whole system of philosophy that goes into the seemingly innocuous word "experience."Thus, not only our reason fails us in the discovery of the ultimate connexion of causes and effects, but even after experience has inform’d us of their constant conjunction, ’tis impossible for us to satisfy ourselves by our reason, why we shou’d extend that experience beyond those particular instances, which have fallen under our observation. — Yellow Horse
Hume explained that the problem of induction is a problem for us feeble humans. I remember Hume saying something about the whimsical condition of humanity. The problem is very intuitive to many, and I do not expect the majority of philosophers to accept that there is a solution.Maybe it was impossible then and is impossible now, but will it remain impossible? It seems that some notion of reason is held fixed here and projected into the future. — Yellow Horse
It all comes down to "experience," I suppose. Does the problem of induction rely on empiricism? That's one of the hardest things for me to grasp about Hume's problem; it seems to rely on his philosophical predispositions.So we have yet another version of the structure of all possible experience, seemingly a deeply metaphysical concept, conquering the future from the present. — Yellow Horse
I had my problem with Hume's problem of induction for a while. Many accuse me of not grasping it, but I get the sense that I am missing something. I suppose I must resign and leave it to the philosophers grapple with it.What does his problem of induction depend on in order to remain relevant? Maintain its force? — Yellow Horse
It seems more like science fiction than the philosophy of science.I have thought many years about HAL. HAL struggled a lot. There were a lot of missions out of himself to discover some issue that could never be found. Allegedly, he was perfect; but, became paranoid when he was informed that his counterpart on Earth could not determine where he may or may have not gone wrong. — Shawn
I was thinking of chess player Mikhail Tal when I wrote that. His wiki page states that he lived a bohemian lifestyle and that he died relatively young.Explain why you "feel" a potentially life-shortening "bohemian lifestyle" is one of those "decisions that cause self-harm"? After all, there are still plenty of elderly beatniks & hippies around — 180 Proof
I'm not sure if I agree with this opinion.Sounds more like a question of risk management rather than ethics like DingoJones said. And consider: is pursuing military career itself - also potentially life-shortening - an ethical problem? I don't think so. — 180 Proof
Ok, well perhaps a distinction between different types of self harm would be helpful? Some things are more pure self harm, like stabbing yourself in the eye, while other things have a clear trade-off like eating junk food or going to the beach and suffering harm from the sun. You trade harm for pleasure of experience. — DingoJones
It's all hypothetical in which I've yet to determine whether self-harm is wrong in the first place. One thing at a time.At what point does preference become self harm? Some things inflict more self harm than others, how do you determine what amount is ok or not? — DingoJones
It could be ethical, or existential. I'm thinking of Camus's reason why we shouldn't commit suicide.Also, ate you talking ethically permissible self harm, or using some other goal/metric. — DingoJones
I purposely structured my OP to provide a scenario where I didn't harm anyone else.Passive activities or casual hobbies that degenerate or increase in an observable way factors that detriment health. Opposed to active self harm. Which usually involves others just saying. — Outlander