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  • Why does the universe have rules?
    Can you define the boundaries of philosophy as something that doesn't strongly overlap with science?Benj96
    Philosophy doesn't collect data.
  • Why does the universe have rules?
    I ask why such patterns or consistency should ever exist? Is a pattern a natural outcome of chaos or is chaos a natural outcome of patterns?Benj96
    You might have better luck asking a scientist. Do you believe philosophy can answer these questions?
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth

    Great. You might also want to check out the Problem of Induction.
  • The right thing to do is what makes us feel good, without breaking the law
    it’s right for them to rip people off it makes them feel goodMaya
    :naughty:
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    You never know one day you might be surprised!Maya
    The same thing goes for lottery tickets.
  • The right thing to do is what makes us feel good, without breaking the law
    The right thing to do is what makes us feel good, without breaking the law

    There must be something wrong with people who [rip people off]Maya
    You might want to change the title of your thread.
  • The right thing to do is what makes us feel good, without breaking the law
    If at the end of a decision you feel good, you have made the right decision for you.Maya
    It feels good to take heroin.
  • Sauron as a Real Entity
    Platonic idealShawn
    It is arguable, that Sauron is a two-dimensional beingShawn

    the personification of infinite excellence.Shawn

    He is a Platonic two-dimensional conceptShawn
    Sauron as a being endowed with harmony and orderShawn

    metaphysical being, no other being compares,Shawn

    God.Shawn

    infinite perceptionShawn
    A lot to unpack here... :yawn:
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    I always thought people don't really know anything, because their ideas about the world could always be proven wrong, unless you've met every idea in the Universe that could ever possibly be created. So impossible to prove something to be objectively true/ true because possible ideas are infinite.Maya
    I approach this problem differently. I have this idea that "whatever goes up, must come down" (we call it 'gravity'). Suppose you came up to me and said, "you don't know that gravity exists." I throw up an apple, it goes up, and then goes down. I ask you if I just proved gravity exists. If you simply say "no," I will walk away and find someone more worthwhile to talk.
  • What's been the most profound change to your viewpoint
    I have no idea of what your problem is, but I suggest we simply refrain from discussing this further.

    Okay?
    Frank Apisa
    I'm still feeling a bit like this: :rage: But your suggestion is probably the best thing to do. Peace! :cheer:
  • Problem solving thread
    Best get to the objective truth of the matter then...Nils Loc
    The elders told me not to listen to strangers. They warned me of those who wanted me institutionalized. Stories of frightening men have reached my village. Terrifying tales, the elders have spoken of the wicked and their use of evil vocabulary designed to deceive. I see it now, with your deformed words, "objective." Your psychiatric talk. I must go; I must go now! :scream:
  • Problem solving thread

    Good thinking! :death:
  • Problem solving thread
    It sounded like you were.
  • Problem solving thread
    Did you think I was serious? :rofl:
  • Kalam cosmological argument
    I have some questions concerning The kalam cosmological argument.
    This is the argument I'm working with:
    PhilosophyNewbie
    I know all about the Kalam argument. One of my biggest problems with the argument is that there’s so much background knowledge needed to fully appreciate it. And I’m not saying that to compliment it neither. The argument has no meat to it; (that’s probably why it so appealing to those defending it). IMO, the best way to attack the argument is to expose the philosophical predispositions behind it. And believe me, there is a lot!
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    Can we really know anything???Maya
    Do I know anything?
  • What's been the most profound change to your viewpoint
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    If you can prove the assertion...do so. If you cannot (and considering this is a philosophical forum) you should withdraw it. That was not an order, it was a suggestion. It would be the honorable, ethical thing to do.Frank Apisa
    You have no moral high ground to be preaching ethics, nor do you have the respect to lecture me about honor. I see you even created a whole thread just to bash people who call themselves "atheists." Let's not have any pretense here; you never really wanted a better understanding of my philosophical position. Your sole intention was to put me down with your condescending posts and score points for yourself. If your goal is to engage in civilized debate, I suggest you work on your manners first. For starters, I wouldn't attack someone's personal beliefs in a thread that was designed by @Risk to be peaceful! I was having an amicable conversation with @tim wood before you decided to butt in! *talk about honor*
  • Can something be ''more conscious'' than we are?
    I don't see it like this. Yes, it is just a theory and it does not claim it is more than that. Even if it has no empirocal evidence yet, it has a strong logic behind.Eugen
    Suppose it does have "strong" logic behind it, it doesn't make it any more useful than the theory of the luminiferous ether, or reincarnation for that matter.
  • Can something be ''more conscious'' than we are?
    For example if consciousness is fundamental.Eugen
    Until they come up with a viable scientific experiment, nothing is going to be revealed by panpsychism. It's a pretty much useless theory as it stands.
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    What is the difference? If your post is correct, is it not true? It's as if a guilty man becomes innocent if he changes his name.unenlightened
    @Banno raised that objection.

    'Subjective' is these days pretty much a term of abuse used by those who think they have the patent on logic and science.unenlightened
    I got my patent on logic a while ago, and I'm currently working on a science patent. You won't be able to use the word 'subjective' without the risk of a lawsuit. I would be careful.

    Thus we see it being argued that there can be no subjective truth. In which case it follows that there can be no subjective meaning. But then there is no meaning to 'objective truth' or 'objective meaning' either; there is simply 'meaning' and 'truth'. Distinctions are only meaningful and useful if they distinguish this from that.unenlightened
    Who invented the word 'subjectivity' anyhow? Let's murder them!.

    So here is the descent into madness: The only truth is objective truth, and there is no subjective truth. Therefore subjects cannot know things, only objects can. Therefore I am an object.unenlightened
    Because knowledge = justified true belief?
  • Can something be ''more conscious'' than we are?
    Yes, but that doesn't mean it has no potential to reveal truths.Eugen
    What 'truths' do you want to be revealed?
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    All you will have done is used "correct" to mean "true." Not an improvement.Banno
    Fair enough. I can use the words 'useful' or 'good' describing theories of truth. This way, we get over your logic requirement of non-circularity.
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    Just the simple logic that a theory of truth could only be true if it satisfied itself.Banno
    Theories of truth can be correct or incorrect. Just use the word 'correct' to describe a philosophical approach (or so-called 'theory') to addressing 'truth,' and the problem is solved.
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    The philosophical theories of truth have one thing in common; they are none of them true. How could they be? If they were they would be self-servingly circular.Banno
    You tell me. And I don't know what "self-servingly circular" means.
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    It's not truth that is slippery - it's the theories.Banno
    The fact that philosophers can come up with so many different and conflicting theories about a single word is convincing to me that the word 'truth' is slippery.
  • Causality, Determination and such stuff.
    Anscombe wrote this in a time of only nascent chaos theory, which could only serve to amplify her point.Banno
    That word never really appealed to me anyhow. Neither 'indeterminism.'
  • Metaphysics Defined
    Thus, not only our reason fails us in the discovery of the ultimate connexion of causes and effects, but even after experience has inform’d us of their constant conjunction, ’tis impossible for us to satisfy ourselves by our reason, why we shou’d extend that experience beyond those particular instances, which have fallen under our observation.Yellow Horse
    I'm sure there's a whole system of philosophy that goes into the seemingly innocuous word "experience."

    Maybe it was impossible then and is impossible now, but will it remain impossible? It seems that some notion of reason is held fixed here and projected into the future.Yellow Horse
    Hume explained that the problem of induction is a problem for us feeble humans. I remember Hume saying something about the whimsical condition of humanity. The problem is very intuitive to many, and I do not expect the majority of philosophers to accept that there is a solution.

    So we have yet another version of the structure of all possible experience, seemingly a deeply metaphysical concept, conquering the future from the present.Yellow Horse
    It all comes down to "experience," I suppose. Does the problem of induction rely on empiricism? That's one of the hardest things for me to grasp about Hume's problem; it seems to rely on his philosophical predispositions.
  • Metaphysics Defined
    What does his problem of induction depend on in order to remain relevant? Maintain its force?Yellow Horse
    I had my problem with Hume's problem of induction for a while. Many accuse me of not grasping it, but I get the sense that I am missing something. I suppose I must resign and leave it to the philosophers grapple with it.
  • HAL 9000 as a Real Entity
    I have thought many years about HAL. HAL struggled a lot. There were a lot of missions out of himself to discover some issue that could never be found. Allegedly, he was perfect; but, became paranoid when he was informed that his counterpart on Earth could not determine where he may or may have not gone wrong.Shawn
    It seems more like science fiction than the philosophy of science.
  • Problem solving thread

    I find this insulting. My reading of Mary Poppins is what was taught to me growing up by the elders. I have deep faith and convictions about Mary Poppins. The elders explained to me that all other readings of Mary Poppins are from false profits and exist as insults to the sacred words of Pamela Lyndon Travers. The devil is indeed behind this. Frankly, the elders ought to banish you from the church. You wait until the Curch of Poppins hears about this!
  • Are there any philosophical arguments against self-harm?

    I don't think it is necessary to explain further. I already awarded the answer to @Welkin Rogue, so it's all moot now.
  • Are there any philosophical arguments against self-harm?
    Explain why you "feel" a potentially life-shortening "bohemian lifestyle" is one of those "decisions that cause self-harm"? After all, there are still plenty of elderly beatniks & hippies around180 Proof
    I was thinking of chess player Mikhail Tal when I wrote that. His wiki page states that he lived a bohemian lifestyle and that he died relatively young.

    Mikhail_Tal_1982.jpg

    Sounds more like a question of risk management rather than ethics like DingoJones said. And consider: is pursuing military career itself - also potentially life-shortening - an ethical problem? I don't think so.180 Proof
    I'm not sure if I agree with this opinion.
  • Are there any philosophical arguments against self-harm?
    Ok, well perhaps a distinction between different types of self harm would be helpful? Some things are more pure self harm, like stabbing yourself in the eye, while other things have a clear trade-off like eating junk food or going to the beach and suffering harm from the sun. You trade harm for pleasure of experience.DingoJones

    I don't think you need a philosophical argument why you shouldn't stab yourself in the eye. It's just plain stupid. I'm talking about cases where you get something out of it. I mentioned in the OP, living a bohemian lifestyle, which might include smoking and gambling.
  • Objective Vs. Subjective Truth
    You can't overstate how slippery the word 'truth' is. There are at least half a dozen philosophical theories about truth.
  • Are there any philosophical arguments against self-harm?
    At what point does preference become self harm? Some things inflict more self harm than others, how do you determine what amount is ok or not?DingoJones
    It's all hypothetical in which I've yet to determine whether self-harm is wrong in the first place. One thing at a time.

    Also, ate you talking ethically permissible self harm, or using some other goal/metric.DingoJones
    It could be ethical, or existential. I'm thinking of Camus's reason why we shouldn't commit suicide.
  • Are there any philosophical arguments against self-harm?
    Passive activities or casual hobbies that degenerate or increase in an observable way factors that detriment health. Opposed to active self harm. Which usually involves others just saying.Outlander
    I purposely structured my OP to provide a scenario where I didn't harm anyone else.