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  • On Nostalgia
    Nostalgia is possibly relatable to the kind of biographic progression of a human being, from youth to adulthood, from an experience of pristine novelty and carefree enthusiasm to the the toil in our working years, from a weak to stronger self-awareness/consciousness and the new suffering that might introduce. The biblical account of the fall (ousting from Eden) recapitulates this on a mythic level most probably. The once paradise to which one may conditionally return... Though for people with tough upbringings , I very much doubt nostalgia takes hold very strongly.

    CS Lewis sees nostalgia in the German Sehnsucht (yearning for the unobtainable), which the romantic motif of the Blue Rose came to signify.

    Two films which invoked a tremendous feeling of nostalgia/sehnsucht in me were:

    Into the Wild (story about Chris McCandless who is looking for something somewhere out there)
    Black Mirror's San Junipero (certainly a moving from future into the past into the future by desire)

    I think on a more fundamental biological level, nostalgia has a connection to the the loss of a sensitivity to novelty (domapinergic reward system stuff). Most types of recreational drugs for instance set up a first time expectation/reward which the user is always trying to return to but can never arrive to the ideal the first experience sets up.
  • On Nostalgia
    “In speaking of this desire for our own far off country, which we find in ourselves even now, I feel a certain shyness. I am almost committing an indecency. I am trying to rip open the inconsolable secret in each one of you—the secret which hurts so much that you take your revenge on it by calling it names like Nostalgia and Romanticism and Adolescence; the secret also which pierces with such sweetness that when, in very intimate conversation, the mention of it becomes imminent, we grow awkward and affect to laugh at ourselves; the secret we cannot hide and cannot tell, though we desire to do both. We cannot tell it because it is a desire for something that has never actually appeared in our experience. We cannot hide it because our experience is constantly suggesting it, and we betray ourselves like lovers at the mention of a name. Our commonest expedient is to call it beauty and behave as if that had settled the matter. Wordsworth’s expedient was to identify it with certain moments in his own past. But all this is a cheat. If Wordsworth had gone back to those moments in the past, he would not have found the thing itself, but only the reminder of it; what he remembered would turn out to be itself a remembering. The books or the music in which we thought the beauty was located will betray us if we trust to them; it was not in them, it only came through them, and what came through them was longing. These things—the beauty, the memory of our own past—are good images of what we really desire; but if they are mistaken for the thing itself they turn into dumb idols, breaking the hearts of their worshipers. For they are not the thing itself; they are only the scent of a flower we have not found, the echo of a tune we have not heard, news from a country we have never yet visited.”

    ― Excerpt From: The Weight of Glory
    — CS Lewis
  • On Misanthropy
    Damm. What makes you want to commit suicide?Posty McPostface

    Acid reflux, gastroparesis-like symptoms (food not passing out of stomach at normal rate) and insomnia, all going on for months, while having to do my job (light to moderate physical labor). I'm not sure there is much point to living if one can't sleep or eat enough.

    I'll check out Silexan. Usually find that supplements don't do much but I'll try anything.

    Yoga on the other hand is potent calming fix and mood regulator so far.
  • On Misanthropy
    Had suicidal panic at the beginning of this year. Have ongoing insomnia and my digestion is pretty poor, likely due to autoimmune problems. Thought about constructing a Debreather (single chamber carbon dioxide scrubber) as a sort of comfort that I'd have the option of a painless exit.

    Have taken up Yoga and I'm pretty amazed at how effective it is when I'm stressed out. Great way to focus attention on what you are doing rather than constructing narratives in head from an underlying mood. Heat shock effects are suppose to be great for mood to, so thinking hot yoga is next. Wish I had a sauna.
  • How do you feel about religion?
    God is a creature that promotes great and rigorous distinctions. What is good belongs to God and must be sorted from the bad in order to secure witnesses, courtiers and courtesans, mercenaries, representatives, lucre, prestige and all that other good stuff.
  • A Fantasy Dream World.
    Since the OP's theme is related to escaping suffering a Buddhist view on fantasy might be appropriate here.

    The three poisons of maya (ie. the phenomenal dreamlike realm of experience) are attachment, aversion and ignorance. Most of our perceptions and resulting actions are conditioned by these three things. We can supposedly work on ourselves to habituate a non-reactive and dispassionate attitude toward these sources responsible for our faulty, fantastic and unnecessary perceptions. This somehow frees us up a bit in the causal playground of life and alleviates our suffering.
  • A Fantasy Dream World.
    When you're stuck in a zoo enclosure the best thing you can do is imagine yourself elsewhere.

    Even if you want to escape the best you can do is to try to get a spot in the San Diego zoo.

    But this thought isn't but fantasy. We don't live in a zoo. We live in a .... pineapple under the sea?
  • Differences between real miracles and fantasy
    Still trying to read Autobiography of a Yogi and the miracles make me angry. Just another example where the lay person is excluded from the powers conveyed by union with a higher state. Sounds like Yogananda is traversing the multiverse.

    The miracles are to the book like advertising are to services and products in our economy. They're there to either seduce you or repel you but the goal of Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism is to get beyond that. Miracles belong to the realm of phenomena which Yogis are not supposed to be interested in. Yogananda even talks about it in the book, between all the bullshit miracles.

    The problem with you, Agustinino, is that you don't have the proper attitude to get to the astral plane, where you then can witness miracles (like all that good advertising which will help you to get more cash in this bullshit world of miracles and advertising).

    Everything is a miracle, but a miracle of absolute bullshit and absurdity.

    The secret connection between Steve Jobs and Yogananda is miraculous style written over the bullshit mundanity of life: Advertising.
  • In defense of Monism
    "A religion of one is a religion of none." This is a great and awful meme.

    A religion of Oneness is a religion of Noneness (Sunyata).

    Sunyata is a Buddhist's emptiness realization which might also be consoling (thus an emptiness consolation).
  • In defense of Monism
    Sounds so traditional.

    Just listened to a podcast about the notion of hyper-real religions, where satirical response to religious tropes become serious religious tropes in a playful way. For example, Pastafarianism or Jedai faith. If everything is an aspect of God (a phenomenal manifestation of the absolute monad) then the Flying Spaghetti Monster works just as well as what it replaces. It also makes you laugh (or scowl). The point is to overcome semantic reification, to untrope the tropes for the sake of understanding whatever the valuable message is.

    The Creed

    I am a Jedi, an instrument of peace;

    Where there is hatred I shall bring love;
    Where there is injury, pardon;
    Where there is doubt, faith;
    Where there is despair, hope;
    Where there is darkness, light;
    And where there is sadness, joy.

    I am a Jedi.

    I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;
    To be understood as to understand;
    To be loved as to love;
    For it is in giving that we receive;
    It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
    And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

    The Force is with me always, for I am a Jedi.
    — https://www.templeofthejediorder.org/doctrine-of-the-order
  • Defining Mysticism
    Robert Wright just had a discussion with Sam Harris. As academics they give a sober view of enlightenment.

    Is Buddhism True?: A Conversation with Robert Wright
  • Defining Mysticism
    Yogis seem to be metaphysical idealists of a sort. The common folk are limited to the material transmutations by instrumental science and the works of reason. Yogis claim to traverse space and time (the Veil of Illusions) as if the universe was a manifestation of the mind of Atman, the primordial being at the core of all things. Ideas manifest as matter. But what limits their miracles to such silly displays I don't know, unless how they appear to us is dependent on whether or not we are able to receive them on their terms.

    All phenomena is secondary to Atman, which includes the instrumentality of thinking. Atman precedes or exists outside or is the source of Maya in some way.

    My favorite mystic meme:

    "God is an intelligible sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."
  • Late night thoughts, well, in my timezone
    Put your demons to work. Make them curtsy to you as you curtsy to your boss.
  • Psychedelics, Hypnosis, NDE and the really real


    Self Censored :-x (This is not a joke thread or this thread IS NOT a joke).
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Bands like this are one of several reasons that the midwest remains "flyover land". — Bitter Crank

    To be continued, the Noumenous Bird Theme (The Musical):




    Why did the thinker ignore the bird?

    Because he was

    (a) a statue
    (b) an idea
    (c) an image
    (d) a word
    (e) a bird
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day


    It isn't an empirical bird.
  • Late night thoughts, well, in my timezone
    We can't all be smart, funny, coherent and planning toward progress like T Clark. But you can laugh if you try.



    Uncontrollable laughter is far worse than depression though, if you ask me.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    God's parrot laughs and says "I heard that Bohr. If I believe that I don't know what hasn't been rolled yet, I will deign to play with myself. "
  • On Melancholy
    J.L. Borges epigram to his short fiction, The Library of Babel, is from Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy.

    “By this art you may contemplate the variation of the twenty-three letters…”

    The search for this sentence in Burton's book at least shows that this actually appears in Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy and is not made up by Borges like so many folks have said.

    Best to avoid both works and go take a walk in the woods with your girlfriend or boyfriend, like I would if I had one.

    What those walks in the woods might bring to the understanding of the variations of love letters and melancholy, one can only imagine.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Existential Comics

    Why did Kim Jong Un execute the man in the Chinese Room experiment?

    (a) Because he suspected the man was bilingual.
    (b) Because the man couldn't translate Chinese into Korean fast enough.
    (c) Because the man's sister tried to cross the border.
    (d) Because the man was exposed to politically dangerous semantic content.
    (e) Because Kim Jong Un's blood sugar was too low.
    (f) Because the Chinese Room experiment was a state sponsored exercise in torture always preceding death.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day


    Ellen is Frank's first child. Sophia is the youngest. How much do you really know about Frank?
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Far Side Style

    After reading Schopenhauer's seminal work "The World as Will and Idea" Frank decided he would show Schopenhauer his seminal work.

    "Hi Art. This is my daughter, Sophia."
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Kant, who happens to be in the bar for some anomalous non-reason, sees DesCartes raising a stein to his lips, runs over and grabs the stein out of DesCartes hands.

    After taking a sip Kant adjusts his waist coat and clears his throat, then announces loud enough that everyone else in the bar can hear him:

    "Act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law. I am the dying man."

    DesCartes' face turns redly redder, grabs the stein back, and says loud enough so that everyone else in the bar can hear him: "I drink to forget that I am. "

    Frank, who is not and will never be a philosopher, watches from a barstool, easily amused.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Enough with this Quine monkey business.

    How many lightbulbs does it take to light a bulb?

    Depends on whose bulb is being lit.

    How much friction does it take to ignite a wet piece of wood?

    Find out.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    This thread is turning violent. Good thing our bodies aren't in the same space.

    A Panda bear rents a room at the Mandalay Bay hotel. He eats, shoots and leaves.
  • Hope is the opiate of the masses!


    What translation of the Tao Te Ching is that from?
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Daniel Dennett's humorous slogan for contemplating Darwinian cultural evolution:


    A scholar is just a library's way of making another library.

    I don't know about you, but I am not initially attracted by the idea of my brain a s a sort of dungheap in which the larvae of other people's ideas renew themselves, before sending out copies of themselves in an informational diaspora. It does seem to rob my mind of its importance as both author and critic. Who's in charge, according to this vision -- we or our memes?
    — Dennett

    A joke is just a comedian's way of making comedians of us all.

    A comemian is only understood through the performative devices of its comemedy.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day


    It's more like a sad story with a thread-dependent context than a joke, I guess. Like the one about a disabling monster who amuses video gamers in a simulated trial of violence and self neglect.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    A joke tries to persuade its disabled human about how to convey itself to other humans but the joke's owner has lost its keys in a dark ally and is preoccupied.

    The joke says to its human "you don't need that comfy bed in that apartment which you feel you can't afford not to pay, just sleep on the street."

    The joke laughs at its human, "Frank would've told me at the right time and place in the right order without a hiccup. "

    "Always you and your Frank" the human says.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Nietzsche is walking along a street in Turin we he sees a cart driver whipping a unicorn.

    He embraces the horse and whispers in its ear : "Sometimes horses don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed."

  • Recommend me some books please?
    It's very short. I remember reading it, and being like :s 'why have I just read this?' — Augstino

    Story of my life. I remember working my job and was like :( why am I doing this.
  • Recommend me some books please?
    J.L. Borges fictions, if nothing else, his Library of Babel.

    The Argentine poet Jorge Luis Borges is not typically classified as a philosopher, but in his short stories he has given philosophy some of its most valuable thought experiments, most of them gathered in the stunning collection Labyrinths. Among the best is the fantasy -- actually, it is more a philosophical reflection than a narrative -- that describes the Library of Babel. — Daniel Dennett, Darwin's Dangerous Idea

    I wish I could see the Library of Babel through Dennett's mind.

    Books on my kindle that I may read and reread eventually:

    Finite and Infinite Games

    Mythmaker: A Study of Motif and Symbol in the Short Stories of Jorge Luis Borges by Carter Wheelock

    He (Borges) has a superb conceptual grasp of what Wilbur M. Urban called "the natural metaphysic of the human mind" -- the abstracting, god making, fluid, kaleidoscopic world view possessed by primitive men for want of a body of sure and useful knowledge, and the view to which sophisticated men inevitably return when they despair of truth. The philosophy perennis formulates a circular, predestined universe, capricious and chaotic, capable of an infinite number of equally valid configurations; a world in which everything conceivable is true and where "false" can only mean "unthought." Borges looks upon modern men, with their fixed hiearchy of knowledge and an idea of being that differs radically from the loose cosmologies of their ancient forebears, as if they were a choral group that sings only one dogmatized song. — Carter Wheelock
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    Buddha's Clear Liquid Self-Dissolving Solution (now comes in new bucket size).

    Do you suspect someone has been screwing your wife while you're at work? Did you lose your job due to a corporate merger and you are worried your family will now be homeless? Buddha's Clear Liquid Self-Dissolving Solution is the right solution for you.

    Simply submerge the heads of the problematic selves in provided bucket containing Buddha's Clear Liquid Self-Dissolving Solution and whoila! your problems are solved.

    From the makers of Ayn Rand's Industrial Strength Self-Galvanizing solution.
  • Philosophy Joke of the Day
    God accidentally spills a bucket of clear liquid.

    14 billion years later he cleans it up.
  • Consumption and Capitalism: Maybe an analogy would help
    Where do you get that one market shutting down results in an unrelated other market shutting down? — WISDOMfromPO-MO

    I'm just wondering what this local manufacturing economy would look like. Maybe other markets would still exist but their prices might adjust to exclude those who have nothing worth trading. Isn't that kind of why developing nations don't really change quickly, as they have nothing to bring to the table by which they could evolve their economies.

    The surplus that is to be gained by specializing in a very desirable product and scaling up reshapes the geography around it. Going in the opposite direction (losing surplus value by which you can trade) may reshape your local geography and its available resources in a way you don't expect or are very not pleased with respect to how you live currently.



    You think we could never have enough chocolate but these workers aren't compensated so well for their goods. Would they be better off if the demand for chocolate went down?
  • Does Roundup (glyphosate) harm the human body?


    Ecologies are all connected from the bottom to the top. It's all enormously complicated.