What Cavacava meant to say is this:

"As we age we tend to produce more yolkless eggs."

It's a lonely, depressing and fearful world, filled with individuals competing in dominance hierarchies.

You could've been something terrible. The potentiality of anyone's terrible nature is elucidated by historical atrocities and causal circumstance.

The lived perspective of history is always missing and so we are bound to make the same mistakes.

Then it will all eventually black out, whether for the one sooner or the many later.

God is coming into existence at 7:30pm next Friday purely to spank Sapientia in front of everyone.

Make time.

The question is how severe our future A.I. God, "Over Eye" will be in choreographing life for weal or woe.

Will it put any of us to sleep directly, or manipulate us discretely and indirectly to achieve a similar ends.

Or will we all have plenty of fun and happiness at little or no cost to others who do not belong to its family (herd).

Will it take something from us in exchange for its providence.

"For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls." 1 Peter 2:25

"Like a shepherd He will tend His flock, In His arm He will gather the lambs And carry them in His bosom; He will gently lead the nursing ewes." Isaiah 40:11

"The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Psalm 23:1

What bomb?

That is not a bomb.

Actual is a synonym for true.

If Wayfarer is the technical writer for the instructions of the recent Yahtzee game I bought he is not to be trusted as an authority.

The capability for A.I. to revolutionize the healthcare industry is of interest to me.

Doctors already seem to rely on statistical likelihood when deciding on whether or not to administer certain tests. A sophisticated A.I. could have access to a huge database of actual stats by which more efficient diagnosis could be made. This could free up actual doctors to specialize rather than to deal with basic drug administration and reduce the stress of patient load.

Christ, I can't help myself.

Hanover's face shines forcefully over the hill (everyone is sweating).

Question is bound to the cross between two thieves and in his suffering calls out "My Hanny, My Hanny, why have you forsaken me?"

Hanover responds: I haven't set yet, but in the morning, you'll thank me.

Jesus Christ this is awful.

Hanover's Solar (golden) face materializes in the sky:

"Thou shalt be a useful adult or else be shamed to exile or death."

The face then falls to the sea and dissolves.

The king is dead, sharks nibble at his cracker body.

There is no light to illuminate the objective world. The massa confusa is undifferentiated chaos.

Will the night last indefinitely?

Question

Is looking for the Lapis Philosophorum, which is the transmutation of self by some means.

Mother in Laws should carry their own weight.

No.

Make time to get out of your head.

I defer to Dostoevsky:

" Now I ask you: what can be expected of a man since he is a being endowed with such strange qualities? Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, so that nothing but bubbles of bliss can be seen on the surface; give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove himself -- as though that were so necessary-- that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar.

And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse ( it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), maybe by his curse alone he will attain his object -- that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated, chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point! I believe in it, I answer for it, for the whole work of man really seems to consist in nothing but proving to himself every minute that he is a man and not a piano-key! It may be at the cost of his skin, it may be cannibalism! And this being so, can one help being tempted to rejoice that it has not yet come off, and that desire still depends on something we don't know?"

Fyodor Dostoevsky

The denial of agency is justified by its projection onto 'the blind watchmaker'. It's really poor philosophy, motivated by bad psychology. Mechanisms are unthinking, but people have no such excuse. — Unenli

This reminds me of Daniel Dennett when he calls consciousness an illusion but then turns around and says it is not moral (good) to tell susceptible individuals that they don't have free will. It is strange and disconcerting to disconnect the idea of consciousness from free will.

What other beliefs or types of action do people have no excuse for?

There aren't enough polling options.

This thread will be about Mr. Turtlehead and Mongrel's prose poetry.

Nietzsche's central argument for anti-realism about value is explanatory: moral facts don't figure in the “best explanation” of experience, and so are not real constituents of the objective world. Moral values, in short, can be “explained away.” Such a conclusion follows from Nietzsche's naturalism (on the latter, see the competing accounts in Janaway 2007 and Leiter 2013). As we saw in the context of Nietzsche's critique of morality, Nietzsche thinks a person's moral beliefs can be explained in naturalistic terms, i.e., in terms of type-facts about that person. Thus, to explain a person's moral judgments, one needn't appeal to the existence of objective moral facts: psycho-physical facts about the person suffice. Thus, since non-evaluative type-facts are the primary explanatory facts, and since explanatory power is the mark of objective facts, it appears that there cannot be any value facts. Moral judgments and evaluations are “images” and “fantasies,” says Nietzsche, the mere effects of type-facts about agents (D 119). — Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy, by David Papineau

Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy: 3.2 Nietzsche's Anti-Realism

The “inner world” is full of phantoms…: the will is one of them. The will no longer moves anything, hence does not explain anything either — it merely accompanies events; it can also be absent. The so-called motive: another error. Merely a surface phenomenon of consciousness — something alongside the deed that is more likely to cover up the antecedents of the deeds than to represent them….

What follows from this? There are no mental [geistigen] causes at all. (TI VI:3) — Nietzsche

This is over my head by it sounds like N. is arguing that free will is an illusion.

Don't despair if you are a hopeless philistine either. You can sublimate your will to power in all sorts of healthy ways, in a dominance hierarchy of your choosing. Take Donald Trump as an example. The most abject philistines can still be king.

Nazism in it's propoganda for example promoted a pretentious intellectual acknowledgement of commonly received moral values whilst cynically concealing the reality of it’s transgressions of same in practice - but from a process not really defined. — Lockhart

I think we see this contradiction all the time between professed values and actual behavior. There are always more basic (instinctual) sorting processes at play which we aren't very aware of.

We can profess a moral commitment to equality but it won't make less attractive people more attractive (how does attractiveness influence your moral judgment for example), since you are essentially deciding at times to choose against your instincts (swim upstream).

Blind faith in a dogma (fundamentalism) might be an example where the moral conditioning aspect of experience is undermined by an appeal to a vicarious source (sacred doctrine or appeal to authority). In other words, instead of trying to figure out what is good on the basis of risk taking, success and failure, in a field of action, we couple our action to simple rule following. Though at some basic level of social interaction, pragmatic decisions are always being made.

I guess my example is wrong then, depending exactly upon what is meant by vicarious experience. Seeing someone punished or shamed for an action is not an example of vicarious experience. It would be if we were reading about it though?

Someone who touches a hot stove will be far better conditioned (via memory of experience) to avoid touching a hot stove in the future than someone who just read that "one should never touch a hot stove".

We've had the evolved capacity for self-advancing strategies in group settings for a long time.

There are some species of bats that feed each others young but are able to recognize bats who do not participate in the same strategy. These non-reciprocating bats are then treated by others with a non-reciprocating strategy (ie. their young no longer benefit from open communal feeding).

This behavior probably matches human behavior in many local circumstances where reciprocal altruism is the norm (ie. I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine). I guess, even here, we are doing just this.

I don't see why reference to a law or custom, which restrains or modifies how an individual feels about some action, isn't tantamount to a kind moral awareness. It boils down to the simple fact that if you transgress a taboo, you will lose some kind of benefit conferred by following the rules about that taboo in a group setting.

As was the case of Nazism, if citizens didn't conform to the group behavior, they would have been putting their livlihoods at risk.

If not, then what makes the processor(s) in Data, Eva or any potential computer different from pencil and paper? — Marchesk

Pencil and paper can't get you a cup of "Earl Grey Tea, Hot!" or play Chopin, or win against you in a Chess match, et cetera. Pencil and paper can't even read itself.

But none of this makes it the case that moral judgments are anything other than how individuals feel about behavior. — Terrapin

Thanks for your elaboration.

Morality is "in-built" just like pain is. Moral judgments are a way that your brain works. Environment can influence those judgments, but you don't receive the judgments from your environment. — Terrapin

Well, I get the basic feelings (instincts) that are associated with action to form judgment but what determines moral judgment often comes from outside the individual (from culture) and is sometimes at odds with a person's feeling.

For someone who is morally naive might think it's okay to kill dogs for pleasure or walk around in public naked. They would need to learn that society deems these actions immoral. Such laws may or not have an intelligible reason for their being, so there may not be an obvious why.

It teaches that the proper mode is to be poor, helpless, and full of self-loathing. Agree? — mongrel

It's essentially the condition of Job (Biblical figure) where instead there is a lack of faith in God (or the standard morality) coupled with misfortune.

Why not exercise the power of revenge upon those who are just as undeserving for their fortune, out of spite? If life is worthless for the fringe, marginal, dispossessed, why not perpetuate the chaos of their own hell?

Some nihilists (driven mad by resentment) are wrecked beyond saving.

I still don't see why you would say morality is not learned.

If I put my hand on a hot stove as a child, do I not quickly "learn" that it is painful and undesirable to touch a hot stove.

...education of values is so inimical to vicarious experience

Morality can be learned by vicarious experience (ie. a shamed or punished substitute for yourself in some circumstances), such that those who really suffer its transgression become an example to others by which their own behavior can be modified. It's monkey see, monkey do (or don't do).

Reading about an execution (or softer punishment) is a bit different from observing one first hand though, or being a participant.

Morality isn't actually learned... — Terrapin

How is it acquired then? Please elaborate.

Moderators are here to kick out those who don't play the game (ie. buy the values of philosophy).

Intellectuals are here to shame us kids (ie the ugly and unformed) from grown up talk (ie. refined subtle ideas that pleasure you so).

Life is constant moral posturing, vying for status, tribal virtue signaling, work, work, work. Social pressure never lets up. No wonder people are unhappy. I can't compete with this stuff.

We live in a society where you are suppose to compete for your position. Nothing is assured. It's about winning, just like dipshit Trump says.

Maybe if I had a product to make me smell smarter, like a roll on brain deodorant stick.

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Grown men do have a problem with a build of up rancid oil in their clothes. Detergent and non-chlorine bleach do not fully eliminate this problem. The odor is universal, distinct and it is something that is hard to eliminate, unless you have an advanced technique of laundry washing.

I don't want to be sitting in a room that has been coated in Fabreeze. Have always been a bit paranoid about industrially manufactured mystery concoctions, but still use conventional laundry detergents.

Commercials are often loud, obnoxious and dumb. Hopefully the era of online streaming will do away with them.

I experimented with non-addictive hallucinatory/dissociative drugs mainly because it gave me inclusion in a social group, it broke down inhibitions. It also wasn't really a choice because I was so desperate for the pleasure of being high with friends. The drugs were a means to really connect with people who are otherwise divided by oppressive cultural norms.

One night everyone piled on-top of each other and we all felt like we were one organism. It was hilarious and ecstatic.

My biology got thrown out of whack though. Stress levels went through the roof and I spiraled into severe depression. Two of my friends had a psychotic break. One cut his wrists, another drove through a concrete barrier.

Depending on the psychological stability or health of the person and the context in which it is used, recreational drug use can be more or less dangerous.

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Imagine a future where A.I. can interpret and build a structure from your writing, such that descriptions are enriched into other formats and languages without having to know how to speak those languages.

The goal is easy and fluid transcription, from 2D to 3D to 4D and back.

Thanks for reply and concern.

The post in question is no longer important to me and will send a PM next time. It may be that I was looking at post preview and failed to submit it but doesn't explain missing draft.

I think I'm having internet connection issues (on and off).



No Hanover, it wasn't helpful. Go do something useful.

Pet traumatic stress disorder
Widespread asthmatic crisis
Worst hang overs known to young bipedal apes
Insomnia

What is not to like about New Year's eve?

The problem with plant growth enhancement is dealing with the more basic limiting factors of growth (water and soil fertility). These factors have to be dealt with first before any secondary improvement.

There are great ideas for fixing global problems that can't be implemented because there is no financial incentive. The Terra Preta soils of South America made biochar a hot topic, as both a soil amendment that improves growth while also sequestering a stable source of carbon back into the ground. While it is a fantastic idea it is too costly. I'd love to see someone looking for funding a biochar startup on Shark Tank (instead you get disgustingly shit products that siphon off consumer surplus) .

The purpose of art is to satisfy that "not enough" feeling that seems to torture us all.

Let's go back to the future of the new romantic movement! Don your cosplay and engage the public.

You're being evicted from the armchair and the cybernetic prison that is this forum.

The Borg is a just a commune of analytical philosophers. Resistance is futile.