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  • Does Buddhist teaching contain more wisdom than Christianity?
    Neither religion is "about morality" IMO. Christianity is mainly concerned with eschatology and Buddhism is mainly concerned with soteriology. And yes, Christianity consecrates suffering like Jesus and Buddhism practices ways to reduce suffering. 'Moralities' have been derived from these premises, respectively, but that is not their functions (re: the first few centuries of each religion, respectively).180 Proof

    Morality, sila, is central to Buddhist practice.


    Sila (virtue, moral conduct) is the cornerstone upon which the entire Noble Eightfold Path is built. The practice of sila is defined by the middle three factors of the Eightfold Path: Right Speech, Right Action, and Right Livelihood.
    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sila/index.html

    The salient difference between the Christian conception of morality and the Buddhist conception of morality is that in Christianity, the moral commandments are supposed to be followed by everyone, under threat of immediate human punishment and eternal divine punishment, whereas in Buddhism, moral precepts are seen as optional, and undertaken and adhered to as a means to an end (ultimately, nirvana). Which is one of the main reasons why Buddhist morality doesn't seem like morality (it lacks the coercive feature typical for Christianiry), and why Buddhism seems more like a philosophy than a religion.
  • Does Buddhist teaching contain more wisdom than Christianity?
    Pali metta is the equivalent of Sanskrit maitri which seems to be more like friendliness, goodwill, or benevolence, the opposite being ill-will.

    In the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, maitri is supposed to be practiced together with other attitudes like compassion (karuna), happiness (mudita), and indifference (upeksanam).
    Apollodorus
    In Early Buddhism, there are four Brahamaviharas (or four sublime attitudes, or four divine abodes) (see here in the index for links at the entry Brahmaviharas. [/quote]

    It is debatable how to best apply this in practice, though. For example, when coming across a tiger in the forest. I think the idea is that when practiced properly, the object of your metta, in this case the tiger, will be moved to respond in kind and be nice to you instead of having you for breakfast or lunch. But I don't know how many Buddhists have developed their metta to the degree that it would work out as intended.
    Universal metta is supposed to be univeral goodwill, meaning one would have goodwill for everyone, ie. for the tiger, for oneself, and for everyone else. Note: for oneself. Sacrificing oneself to the tiger would not be an act of goodwill for oneself.

    In the Buddhist traditions that don't rely closely on the Pali suttas, the emphasis is usually on one brahmavihara (at the expense of others); so, for example, in general in Mahayana, there is an overwhelming focus on karuna/compassion, while Zen focuses on upekkha/equanimity.

    Buddhist traditions that rely more closely on the Pali suttas have a more systematic approach (such as some traditions within Theravada) and practice all four brahmaviharas.

    So in the example with the tiger, a Thai Forest Tradition Buddhist teacher Thanissaro Bhikkhu would advise to practice the four brahmaviharas in the order starting with metta, goodwill. This means, to first have goodwill for the tiger and for oneself, meaning, one wishes oneself and the tiger to be happy; then, observe as the situation develops, wish that neither oneself nor the tiger would suffer (karuna, compassion, is a wish for living beings not to suffer), and that includes not acting with hostility toward the tiger; then appreciate the good things about the tiger and oneself (mudita, sympathetic joy); and at the end, if the tiger should be the rare man-eating kind, reflect on kamma (upekkha, equanimity, is not simply indifference; the reflection on kamma is crucial for it).

    This just in brief, there's a lot more to this. The issue is not as debatable as mainstream Buddhism likes to portray it.

    On the other hand, if the ultimate objective of metta is to eradicate selfishness, then perhaps offering yourself as food to the tiger may be the quickest way to achieve it.

    In the Jataka Stories, the Buddha in a previous life met a starving tigress that was about to eat her own cubs, and offered himself to her as food out of metta and karuna (Āryaśūra's Jātakamālā, Vyāghrī-jātaka).
    The salient point of the Jataka tales is that they are accounts of the actions of an _un_enlightened being. Some Theravadans see them as cautionary tales about what not to do.
  • What is "the examined life"?
    Naikan is about another person not oneself.Fooloso4

    It's peculiar you'd say that. The Naikan questions are about what one did to others, so they are very much a matter of self-examination.
  • Virtue ethics as a subfield of ethics
    An interpretation of 'virtue ethics' (re: Philippa Foot, Martha Nussbaum) in a Spinozist-Peircean sense:
    Moral character (ethos) consists of habits of eusocial judgment (phronesis).

    Virtues (arete) are adaptive skills acquired and developed through applying them in various practices (praxes) which gradually habitualize and thereby, in positive feedback loops, are reinforced by moral character (ethos).

    Flourishing, or reduction of self-immiserating habits (eudaimonia) is the 'categorical imperative' (telos) of moral character (ethos).
    In sum: inhabiting a habitat with others (from etymology of ethos) is cultivated by exercising eusocial habits through adaptive conduct contra maladaptive conduct (agon).
    180 Proof

    You do realize that the above description can be applied to obedience?

    Obedience is eusocial, adaptive. It helps people flourish.

    In my native language, we have a saying: Kdor ne uboga, ga tepe nadloga. 'He who doesn't obey gets himself into trouble.'
  • Virtue ethics as a subfield of ethics
    A virtue is a personal attribute.

    Virtue ethics is about developing ethical personal attributes. The list usually includes things such as integrity, honesty, courage, fairness.

    Deontological ethics is following rules.

    Consequential ethics is about looking at the results of one's actions.
    Banno

    A problem with the discipline of virtue ethics is that it does not operate with a definitive list of virtues.

    Why not consider obedience to be a virtue? Many people consider obedience to be a crucial virtue.

    Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem. Looking at the results of one's actions has also been considered a virtue.


    I don't understand, and maybe you can explain, whence the usual distinction between the various theories of ethics. Because to me, they all seem to be about virtues, it's just that the prioritization of particular virtues differs from one ethics theory to another.
  • Covid denialism as a PR stunt
    Basically you really have to find links that would approve that there's a conspiracy and not options a) or b) would be likely.ssu
    Well, proving a conspiracy can be next to impossible, or entirely impossible, that's the whole point of a conspiracy.
    It's hard to know what is really going on, and there seems to be no way to find out. It's an insecurity that is hard to live with.

    Are you familiar with the history of the Algerian civil war?
    Only vaguely. It seems very complex. Are you referring to the roles of Les éradicateurs and Les dialoguistes?
  • What is "the examined life"?
    But, Baker, if we bear in mind that in Platonism the true individual is the nous, etc. as explained above, then I think there should be less doubt about it.

    Unless you have a better suggestion ....
    Apollodorus

    It's not about me having a "better suggestion".

    I can't quite put my finger on it, but I have a nagging suspicion that people like Plato would dismiss me as living an unexamined life. While I think that I lead an examined life, I seriously doubt they would. I know Christians and some other religious/spiritual people who tell me, with great ease and a considerable dose of contempt, that I "barely know myself", that I "don't know how things really are", that I "should sit down and finally look at myself", that I'm "not honest with myself (or others)", and so on.

    I know first hand what people who advocate "to look inside" tend to be like, and it doesn't fill me with enthusiasm for the project of "self-examination". Too often, I've seen the proponents of the "examined life" simply championing their ideology, and dismissing everything else as "unexamined life". So I've become rather bitter and distrustful for the project of "self-examination".

    This is not to say that every proponent of the "examined life" is like this. At this point, I'm just not sure there is an objective, ideologically neutral way to "examine one's life". But that instead, "living an examined life" goes hand in hand with embracing a particular ideology.
  • What is "the examined life"?
    There are? What is on those lists? Where can they be found? Are the questions unquestioned?Fooloso4
    Some examples:

    The Catholic examen:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_of_conscience

    Naikan
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naikan

    The questions/items in the High Performance Planner
    https://www.highperformanceplanner.com/

    The millions of self-help books like this:
    https://www.amazon.com/Question-Yourself-Questions-Explore-Reveal/dp/B089J17DN5/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1631040204&refinements=p_27%3ADave+Edelstein&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Dave+Edelstein
  • An ode to 'Narcissus'
    So Donald Trump, seriously put forward as an example of narcissism, is less infatuated the "real" DT and more infatuated with the DT he imagines himself to be.Bitter Crank

    Or the whole thing is a PR strategy and he's not a narcissist at all, he only plays one, as an actor. It's feasible to do so, because in our society, people tend to succomb to narcissists one way or another and narcissits can take advantage of that. Directly, by doing what the narcissist wants, or indirectly by freely giving them their time of day (instead of spending it on more productive pursuits).
  • An ode to 'Narcissus'
    The utter irrelevance of other people, envious or pitying is the essence of Narcissus.unenlightened

    But he was just a literary character. A literary construct, constructed by the author to make some point.


    - - -

    But Narcissus was sooo beautiful, people could not resist him--even if he'd just as soon they go bother somebody else. Maybe such people are born for real who are irresistibly beautiful and who do not need the help of agents and PR to attract admirers. I think these characters are more fictional vehicles than real.Bitter Crank

    In highschool, I knew a boy who looked like Snow White: a pale, fair complexion, perfect skin, sparkly blue eyes, pitch black straight shiny hair, red lips, perfect white teeth, slim, tall, well-proportioned body. He was so beautiful that it was hard not to stare at him. (But he stopped being so attractive once he opened his mouth and sounded exactly like every other teenager.)

    I met him about ten years later, I could hardly recognize him. The pale complexion turned reddish, his hair was already thinning, the lustre of his eyes was gone.

    Time ... is a sobering agent.
  • To be here or not to be here, honest question.
    Don't go where they teach you to drink.
  • Covid denialism as a PR stunt
    In these circumstances, there is no basis to make a reasonable decision. What is needed, and what is lacking, is trust. Trust is the liquidity of the knowledge economy, and of society in general.unenlightened

    Indeed. And politicians and the medical establishment have been working hard for decades to destroy people's trust in politics and medicine.
  • Covid denialism as a PR stunt
    I think the fact that it happened on television means that it could be some kind of PR stunt including by the state. But you would need more info than that to decide either way.Apollodorus
    Indeed, but I don't think it will ever be possible to discover the truth about this incident.

    Speaking of which, China seems to be making lots of money from selling face masks, protective suits, ventilators, and other Covid-related stuff. Could it be that it created and released the virus for some hidden agenda?
    Awww. The China paranoia! Well, China is making lots of money from lots of things, so there's that.

    It's certainly convenient to blame China, in order to divert the public attention from the horrible treatment of animals all around the world, from the exploitation of the natural environment, from the fact that Western governments handled the pandemic so poorly from the onset.
  • Covid denialism as a PR stunt
    Last night, a group of covid deniers stormed the studios of Slovenian national television.
    — baker

    Sorry baker, but I'll have to ask this.

    Were they really "covid deniers"?
    ssu
    Their stance is that the covid virus does not exist.

    Thesis: If you want to control the situation, create an extreme opposition to yourself that you can control, and this will help you to control the legitimate opposition.
    — baker
    Well this sounds like a counter-insurgency tactic!

    If you have an insurgency that has a) popular support, b) sound reasoning behind it, c) possibility to gain outside acceptance and justification, then this is the way to go. Create a group that is so bananas, so insanely crazy, and make them to attack the reasonable (actual) insurgents.
    Are you familiar with the series Person of Interest? There, a group of people, Samaritan, who wanted to control the world by IT surveillance techniques engineered its own opposition, called Vigilance who were directly and violently opposed to such surveillance. Vigilance's opposition and use of violence made Samaritan look legitimate and necessary, and just the kind of organization the government should hire.

    If the misinformation on the internetz can be traced back to a relatively small number of sources, this is suspicious and smells of sabotage.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    It's an exercise in finding out what (and how) people believeIsaac
    Sure. But do you want to know what (and how) people believe just out of curiosity, or do you have a more urgent and useful reason for it?

    (Such as tailoring how you speak to people, in order to avoid getting trouble from them.)
  • What is "the examined life"?
    So, ultimately, it is for the individual to work out a solution.Apollodorus
    I doubt Plato or Socrates would ever say such a thing, at least they wouldn't mean it in the general sense that your sentence suggests.
  • What is "the examined life"?
    The examined life is not prescriptive.Fooloso4

    And yet all ideas of the "examined life" are prescriptive. There exist lists of questions one _should_ ask oneself in order to "examine one's life".
  • An ode to 'Narcissus'
    Narcissus is the archetype of the addict.unenlightened

    He strikes me as the person of other people's envy, and the envied person.
  • An ode to 'Narcissus'
    So, what was so special about Narcissus?Shawn

    The historical reception of the literary character. There must be something appealing about Narcissus that catches people's attention. Which, of course, says a lot about the people.
  • In the Beginning.....
    Ok. The Big Bang is a better story than Genesis. With Genesis the story is given, and folk spend their time trying to make the world fit the story. With physics, the world is given, and we change the story to fit the world. One story closes off further discussion, the other opens it up.Banno

    No. For the ordinary person, they are the same.
    For the ordinary person, with physics, the story is a given too, and one spends one's time trying to make the world fit the story.
  • Buddha-Beautician Paradox
    The Buddha does something similar. I'd argue that Siddhartha Gautama very much opted to live on in maya as well.

    In terms of enlightenment, there is a distinction to be made between Pratyekabuddhas (solitary Buddha) and Samyaksambuddhas (perfect Buddha).

    The first one finds truth and keeps it to themselves. It is a sort of blissful ignorance that disregards everything that goes on within the illusion of existence.

    The Samyaksambuddha on the other hand comes to the conclusion that while blissful ignorance is blissful indeed, this is not true liberation. They opt to live on still entangled in maya, teaching their way to others entangled in maya. They are similar in that way to the Beautician, attempting to make the illusion as nice as it can be.

    Only, the principle idea here is different from the Beautician: While the nicest version of illusion for them is one that conceals the truth, for a Samyaksambuddha, the nicest version of illusion is one where everyone can see the truth despite living in an illusion.
    Hermeticus

    This is some kind of Mahayana doctrine.
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    Poetry is to thought as makeup is to a woman. A poet is a beautician - enhances beauty and conceals ugliness. The metaphysics of beauty is simply our dissatisfaction (dukkha) with reality and thus our obsession with illusion (maya). Turns Buddhism which believes maya is dukkha on its head.TheMadFool

    I agree with the sentiment!

    It's just that there are two large books of poems in Early Buddhist scriptures, Verses of the Elder Monks (Theragatha) and Verses of the Elder Nuns (Therigatha), and other poems in the scriptures.

    How is that a good peom can be written about the bad?TheMadFool
    Such is the power of poetry. If you read the above mentioned poems, they still have that aspect of "beautifying the ugly" to them. The effort it takes to become enlightened is great, much hard work, and the poems afford a dignified distance toward it, or else one would be crushed by it.
  • Axioms of Discourse
    1. Establish agreement not only about basic definitions (which is important), but also about basic beliefs.

    This is an essential place to start any discussion, as mentioned above, because it saves a lot of time, effort, and confusion. I can't count how many times an argument eventually loops back to these questions somehow.

    2. Make sure to understand the other person's position.

    This is best demonstrated by stating what you believe to be their argument, and by them confirming your accuracy. No straw men, no caricatures, and hopefully far less later misunderstanding.

    3. Build on commonality.

    Once basic beliefs and definitions are agreed upon, and positions accurately understood, then go on to problems and proposed solutions.
    Xtrix
    This assumes that people want or should want to cooperate, that their basic belief is something like "We should all be willing to cooperate with everyone else."

    Not just a few people distinctly do not want to cooperate indiscriminately to begin with.
    "He that is not with me is against me. I see that you're not with me, so I'll consider you against, you're my enemy, and I seek to defeat you in every way I can."

    This has led to political tribalism and dehumanizing the "other," reminiscent of religious wars.Xtrix
    And for some people, sometimes, political tribalism and dehumanizing the "other" is precisely what they are in for in discussion, even if ostensibly, they're seeking to discuss advanced mathematics or climate change or whatever.

    Political tribalism and dehumanizing the "other" isn't necessarily a(n unwanted) consequence of some discussion approaches, but can be the very motivation for engaging with others to begin with.
  • Axioms of Discourse
    in a world that likes to privilege the folk wisdom of 'win/win'Tom Storm

    Where is that world??!
  • Axioms of Discourse
    With that being said, I argue that it's best to avoid in-depth discussion of anything until this consensus is confirmed, if for no other reason than to avoid wasting time.Xtrix

    But when there is such consensus, what will people talk about?

    In my experience, when I have so much in common with someone as you describe above, and when we have cleared up the terms, we end up having nothing to talk about. Except maybe the weather and trivialities.
  • Is love real or is it just infatuation and the desire to settle down
    What’s the difference between simply being infatuated with someone and loving them?Benj96
    The degree of goodwill for the other person. An infatuated person has little or no goodwill for the person they are infatuated with (down to lacking the most basic empathy for them). Whereas loving someone also includes having goodwill for them, wishing them well.

    If you subscribe to the idea of love please explain why on earth we would need it. We are animals with a high rate of infidelity I would struggle to believe we are indeed as monogamous as culture and romcoms would dictate
    The high rate of infidelity is possibly due to the high rate of infatuation, and with it, the low rate of goodwill.

    There are social projects that can successfully be engaged in only when there is enough mutual goodwill. These projects can be anything from raising children to growing crops. People benefit from such projects, so we can say that they are evolutionarily advantageous.
  • In the Beginning.....
    Sure. But in a more realistic way, we can ask how it is that language, "the word", constructs meaning that makes it possible at all to conceive of anything at all. The tree in the Eden was a knowledge tree, so what is knowledge? It is the power of language and logic. We were kicked out of Eden because we developed that supreme violation of comfort and familiarity: the ability to inquire. Nothing but trouble from there.
    Language "creates" the world. Prior to this, there is no world; there is what cannot be said, but talking like this raises Wittgenstein's, and the Buddhist's, ire. But once acquired, language is the backdrop of understanding that constitutes a person, who can then drop the explicit, move back into the primordial through the regressive (call it) method of yoga, and let the world speak as it once did.
    Constance

    So you want to do philosophy of language, but vaguely back it up and give it a sense of authority with references to the Bible (and other assorted scriptures)?
  • Does Buddhist teaching contain more wisdom than Christianity?
    "Socioeconomic success is wisdom"? (transl: Greed is good :roll:) ...180 Proof

    You misread my tone.

    Have you read Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz?

    It could very well be that being a liberal humanist, one expects too much from life, and from mankind, and that, like Franz Bieberkopf should have done, one should set one's hopes on no more than bread with butter.

    I would very much like to believe that there is a wisdom that is beyond and above socioeconomic success, a wisdom that is worth more than socioeconomic success, a wisdom that trumps socioeconomic success. But I am afraid, sincerely afraid, that there is no such wisdom, and that socioeconomic success is as good as life gets.
  • Was Socrates an atheist? Socrates’ religious beliefs and their implications for his philosophy.
    I tend to doubt that they sought political power for themselves. Socrates was the antithesis of politician and he was an old man. I think the basic idea was to influence society, including the political classes, through education, though Plato may have liked to see himself in the role of advisor to political leaders.Apollodorus
    So what were they? The primordial armchair philosophers? I'm being both ironic and not.

    The main point, though, is that they succeeded in popularizing philosophy.
    I doubt a few men can have such influence, so I'd look for another explanation.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    Meanwhile, we still have to deal with the damn pandemic.

    The simple part is that more or less everyone wants the damn pandemic to be gone
    jorndoe

    Craving for a solution can get in the way of finding one.

    The pandemic occured because people are not cautious and are exploitative toward nature and toward other living beings, humans and animals. And now so many want the pandemic to go away -- so that they can go back to their old non-cautious and exploitative ways ...

    There is a lesson here, but it seems it won't be learned.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    That paper seems to be saying that the risk is greater after vaccination and a positive test for covid than it is with vaccination alone. In other words it seems the subjects were all vaccinated individuals.Janus

    It's not news that vaccinating people who are already infected with the pathogen they are being vaccinated against can lead to complications, similar if the infection occurs too soon after vaccination.

    That's why, if you intend to go to some tropical country and need to get vaccinated for the diseases there, you have to do it early enough, so that your immune system has the time to create the required antibodies.


    The model of vaccination that many people seem to be implicitly operating with is that the covid vaccines are like direct doses of antibodies (so it makes sense to administer them to everyone). As opposed to thinking of the vaccines as substances that trigger and stress the body and make it work hard to produce antibodies, and that this is a process that takes time.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    Despite your cherry-picked press clippings, the group you describe are not one homogeneous legion. Attempts to lump everyone who disagrees with the party line in with the tinfoil hat brigade are just political. There's a convenient bunch of loonies who can be called on to besmirch any view you don't like by association. Should we do the same with climate change? Environmental issues? I could definitely rustle up some seriously dodgy hippies who are all in for those sorts of causes. Shall we make the serious climate scientists look like fools by associating them with a few tree-hugging children of Gaia?

    Is this the direction you really want public debate to head?
    Isaac

    There seems to be a limit to how much critical thinking and goodwill people are willing and able to engage in in a time of crisis, and that manifesting more than that and expecting others to reciprocate is, at best, seen as a perverse indulgence, and worse, it can backfire, causing people to be even more narrow-minded.

    "Now is not the time to think, now is the time to act!" is the motto many people follow in a time of crisis. Which is feasible enough in the type of immediate crisis situations like when a house is on fire. But not in others, such as a drawn-out pandemic.

    I think there is a real risk that people like you and I are doing more harm than good, because it seems that simply if we reply with anything other than "I agree, you have changed my mind, I will now think and do as you want", the others see every post of ours as more opposition to their stance (regardless of what we actually say) and they dig their heels in even more.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    How about treating a 90-year old woman with heart surgery to provide her a new heart valve? She takes up resources too. Do it or not do it?Benkei
    In Slovenia, there has for a long time been an unspoken culture of how to proceed in such cases, and people in general were expected to "make the right decision" on their own. Ie. to not be a burden to others.

    So, for example, terminal cancer patients have been sent home (if that is an option) with a large dose of opiate analgetics and told that if they took too many of those, they'd die. It's an indirect instruction for suicide and the means for it provided by a doctor. Mind you, euthanasia isn't legal here.

    The pandemic has disrupted this culture now, as people are being hospitalized and treated possibly against their will (but which they cannot express due to being unconscious).

    But there is certainly no culture of "going to heroic lengths to save everyone" the way one can see it in American films.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    It's not a debate about the virtues of capitalism or socialism but a debate between privatised and universal healthcare. Under the first, you're definitely screwed if you have a rare disease. At least universal healthcare is subject to public debate, instead of board room decisions. Moreover, due to the fact universal healthcare includes more people, the risk mutualisation is spread over a greater number of people. In theory it should be more affordable to also cover rarer diseases. In practice this is proved time and again by the fact both coverage is greater and costs are lower in countries with universal healthcare as opposed to the US, while quality of care is, on average, better too.Benkei
    In some EU countries, we have a mixture of privatised and universal healthcare. Here, the bottomline is that health insurance only gets you at the end of the waiting line, which is usually quite long. So you have to pay out of your own pocket to get medical treatment in a timely manner, and of better quality (which makes for a bizzare experience: same clinic, same doctor, but different standards of care, depending on whether you pay out of your own pocket or whether insurance pays).

    What this means now in the covid situation is that if you get side effects after vaccination, this gets treated the same way as if those symptoms would have arisen for some unrelated reason and you are expected to wait for months on end to get any tests done at all (unless you pay). Also, on principle, since the covid vaccines are legally still just experimental medication, health insurance does not cover the treatment of side effects.

    I think pre-vaccination and post-vaccination medical and insurance programs would help a lot and that more people would decide to get vaccinated if they knew there is a safety net waiting for them post-vaccination, and if they would be better prepared for vaccination (such as by improving their health with doses of vitamin D and B12, and by being tested prior to vaccination and vaccinated only if negative).


    It's only relevant if other triage considerations have already been exhausted (such as, acuteness of the care needed, beneficence and maleficence) and if the information is available whether such a person has contributed to the hospitalisation themselves, then I would use that information and I think it would be ethical to do so.
    But would you include the consideration as to why the person didn't get vaccinated?
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    But, saying "hey, it works, which can't be right" doesn't work.jorndoe

    *sigh*

    I'm not against vaccination in general, nor against vaccination against covid in particular.

    But I am against vaccinating people of unknown medical status with an experimental medication.

    And I am against vaccinating people in epidemiologically unsafe conditions. At mass vaccination sites, but also in smaller vaccination settings, people often don't wear masks, or don't wear them properly, they don't social distance, disinfect. It's a perfect place to spread the virus. And this at a time that is critical for the people there: they can get infected precisely at the time when they should be most cautious and most safe. Ideally, a person should go into sufficiently long quarantene prior to vaccination and afterwards. Some will say that this is not realistic. But then we get the result: covid hospitals filling with vaccinated people. The trend is clear: as more and more people are getting vaccinated in unsafe conditions, more and more vaccinated people end up in hospitals.
  • Poll: (2020-) COVID-19 pandemic
    And no consideration is given as to why a person didn't get vaccinated
    — baker

    Maybe, maybe not? What do you think? It's usually easy enough to identify people that require special medical attention. (Maybe ridiculous conspiracy theories are special conditions.) Actually, I think trying to round up medical conditions is standard procedure; maybe frank or someone knows.

    somehow, covid vaccines are a stellar exemption
    — baker

    Keep up.
    jorndoe

    You keep up. The official popular "Get vaccinated, or else!" narrative allows for no consideration as to why a person didn't get vaccinated. Such is also the practice: One is supposed to go to a vaccination site, roll up one's sleeve, and allow oneself to be pricked with a needle. There is no medical exam prior to that, not even people's temperature is measured prior to vaccination.


    Back in January, when they first begun vaccinating people, at least in the EU, the standard medical protocol for vaccination was followed: The prospective vaccinee was examined by a doctor, a medical history taken, a covid test done, and only then, after the test came back negative and at the discretion of the doctor, was a person vaccinated. Now, they don't do any of that. They are mass vaccinating people of an unknown medical status, including those who are already infected with covid, but don't know it.

    This probably also accounts for many of those vaccinated people who end up needing hospital care for covid. And their numbers are growing.
  • Does Buddhist teaching contain more wisdom than Christianity?
    Loving kindness (metta) in Buddhism includes love for all living things.Ross
    "Metta" isn't 'love', and "loving-kindness" is an awkward translation.

    From Thanissaro Bhikkhu: Metta Means Goodwill:
    /.../
    Metta is a wish for happiness — true happiness — and the Buddha says to develop this wish for ourselves and everyone else: "With metta for the entire cosmos, cultivate a limitless heart." (Snp 1.8) But what's the emotional quality that goes along with that wish? Many people define it as "lovingkindness," implying a desire to be there for other people: to cherish them, to provide them with intimacy, nurture, and protection. The idea of feeling love for everyone sounds very noble and emotionally satisfying. But when you really stop to think about all the beings in the cosmos, there are a lot of them who — like the snake — would react to your lovingkindness with suspicion and fear. Rather than wanting your love, they would rather be left alone. Others might try to take unfair advantage of your lovingkindness, reading it as a sign either of your weakness or of your endorsement of whatever they want to do. In none of these cases would your lovingkindness lead to anyone's true happiness. When this is the case, you're left wondering if the Buddha's instructions on universal metta are really realistic or wise.
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    metta is not necessarily an attitude of lovingkindness. It's more an attitude of goodwill — wishing the other person well, but realizing that true happiness is something that each of us ultimately will have to find for him or herself, and sometimes most easily when we go our separate ways.

    This understanding of metta is borne out in the Pali Canon, first of all in the word itself. The Pali language has another word for love — pema — whereas metta is related to the word mitta, or friend. Universal metta is friendliness for all.
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    Please see the rest of the essay for canonical references.
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