Soon we'll have gangs and factions in here.

Mijo, save me the toughness contest.

alleged disabilities — DingoJones

I'm just going to pass this over in silence...

Actually I seemingly didn't get to this part:

He never used to have disabilities either. — DingoJones

Are you OK?

I don't like repeating privy information but @Pattern-chaser explicitly told me that he left because S was harassing him. And I have no reason to believe Pattern Chaser was a paranoid bloke...

No comment. As I've been watching him since he joined the old PF his interest in learning turned into some strange contest between interlocutors of some inflated facetious sense of superiority. And, if it didn't go his way he'd try and flame you into oblivion.

If I were to emulate Sapentia right now it would be:

"Haha, he stood no chance against me".

If your reading this S, grow up for fucks sake!

I find this thread offensive to the colorblind.

This place is special...

who's going to email her — tim wood

Gender assumptions are a tricky thing on the internet...

@StacySex just joined our group. Everyone on your best behavior please.

:point:

I did.

Ohh whee-whoo someone cares about me.

Yes, we philosophers are rather poorly thought of as it seems.

Interesting side observation. Sanders is turning out the be the formative anti-thesis to Trump, (given the narrative thus far). The more radical Trump's rhetoric the more empowered become Sander's words. He's leading in fundraising, momentum, polls (directly pitting him against Trump).

It would be such a reality check (catharsis, redemption?) and a testament to American political sanity if Sanders gets elected.

On it broseph. Gonna go to the beach later... :)

Hmm. It's a wallowsome situation. I will have to find some kind of way to stop infatuating myself with myself online then.

Being self-reliant doesn't exclude being loved, like Robinson you just need a little creativity and like Don Quixote a little courage to live like the Sun, which is loved, as though self-sustained it gives and gives. — Shamshir

That was beautiful, thank you. I love the sun. But, I stay indoors all day, and of all places being California!

Ever read Robinson Crusoe? — Shamshir

One of the defining books of my youth, man.

As to your issues - tell me, how would you relate them to the sea? Where lost men go to find their fortune? — Shamshir

I don't know. I find myself a mystery. At the one end I want to be loved, yet have grown up to be extremely self-reliant. Kinda, makes you wonder what was God thinking when S/He/It made the world?

Any of your experiences touch on any of this? — Blurrosier

Somewhat. I encourage these short and enlightening videos as a backdrop to my spiritualism from a Wittgensteinian perspective:

Negatory-Catharsis in a video.

The thing is that Hong Kong is the perfect 'canary in the coal mine' showing the true nature of China. — ssu

It doesn't have to be perfect. Just that it's better than what's going on there in terms of escalation of tensions and what have you. I don't want to sound daft; but, I assume you know better where this might end... And, strange thing is that that's something China doesn't seemingly want a repeat of.

Understood. I am merely asserting that there is a chance instead of an ongoing escalation of tensions to utilize the pen rather than the sword. I honestly don't think there is any reason why not to write articles and opinions on the flavor of what you call fascism (although I think this trivializes the discussion) ongoing in China and the detrimental effects of it as seen now in Hong Kong.

It's hard to imagine where this might anger the PRC anywhere more than originating from Hong Kong.

Yes? No? Maybe?

Well, he's gonna get impeached.

Deal with it.

This is possibly the worst-case scenario for China. It's an attack from within the reigning ideology of socialism in China, and why it isn't working for some or quite frankly, many in Hong Kong. I'm interested to hear what others think about this. — Wallows

@ssu did you miss the above? There's is an opening to assert the contents in your post by HK-ers. And, it would be refreshing for them to do so, creating havoc within party circles, as to make their stipulative definition of Chinese communism also be working for Hong Kong.

To summarise on game theory. The whole discipline is based on maximizing, yes, maximizing negative externalities iff utility maximization can take place. Hallmark traits of ethics being love, compassion, and doing things for the greater good are devoid in it's logic.

It's the bastard child of Skinnerian behaviorism in my view.

Doubtless some great economist will come along and reify self interest to be inclusive of cooperative behavior, which is an ongoing task in the field today. But fundamental changes would have to take place in the field before that ever happens.

Let's not get into talk about such literal wicked game theory scenarios of Mutually Assured Destruction, a suicide pact deemed too 'rational' by our great leaders to not implement.

Shit gets depressing, hard and fast.

Yes, the prisoner's dilemma is relevant. — Banno

I'll right away point out that rationality in economics can reach psychotic levels. I studied it. Just think about the requirement imposed by some Aryan brotherhood as to prevent any of the prisoners from ratting another out...

Do you wish to expand on it? — Banno

Well, there isn't much to say is there? Ethics in economics has always been the inconvenient outlier in any rational based strategy.

@fdrake may help out here as I'm going to be shutting down soon.

Aye aye Captain.

Feels like back in the Marine Corps.

We're not happy till your not happy.

Christ, I don't even care about the colors anymore; but can we all stop the bitching?

When in doubt scream and shout...

That's great you feel that way Nosferatu. Sadly, the facts aren't on your side on the issue as to whether Trump is a net good or detriment to upholding American ideals about governance and foreign policy.

You might as well bash me for being an independent or Democrat and not a libertarian or some such nonsense.

Nosferatu, what's your point even?

Missed it. — Banno

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/4718/accessibility-relations-across-possible-worlds

It's kinda rough but I got up to speed on that topic fairly quickly. Just a matter of an overactive neural network trying to understand things.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S5_(modal_logic)

Grab it before the purge.

EDIT: Sorry meant to post this:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/58946/when-are-accessibility-relations-satisfied

And:

http://wab.uib.no/agora/tools/alws/collection-5-issue-1-article-41.annotate

In case you're interested @Wayfarer...

https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691128597/dream-death-and-the-self

the not-subject-to-death. — Wayfarer

And, yet "death" seems to be the (instantiating) subject here. Look, I get what you're saying; and the resulting transcendental solipsism of Wittgenstein which, I should throw in here. But, like, how?

The statement:

In every possible world, a moral will eventually succumb to death

... tries very hard to get the rubber on the asphalt; but, is hopelessly trying to appeal to logic to make sense.

Isn't that kinda profound?

A E S T H E T I C A L L Y + + + P L E A S I N G

And yet who pays the bills, eh?

This is too much psychedelia for me to handle. I shall go to bed now and wallow over this sudden change causing so much distress to @Wayfarer, @Waya, and others.