One of the LP's weakness was refusing to talk about Metaphysics, which made themselves look embracing intolerance and dogmatism. — Corvus

What made them refuse?

Facts describe the way things are.

With the above in mind, I am, and have been for a long time, quite fond of logical positivism. I never quite understood why logical positivism kinda faded out of existence and was taken over by a new methodology in science called fallibilism, so named after Popper established it as a better method than verification of conjectures or hypothesi. — Shawn

The reason why it took over is powerplay. Pure and simple. LP, of which Feyerabend once was a proponent, is in fact the same as falsificationism, but with a positive attitude instead of the negative one of Popper. Maybe he wanted to kill all physics theories.

Facts describe the way things are.

With the above in mind, I am, and have been for a long time, quite fond of logical positivism. I never quite understood why logical positivism kinda faded out of existence and was taken over by a new methodology in science called fallibilism, so named after Popper established it as a better method than verification of conjectures or hypothesi. — Shawn

Okay. Let's analyse this with an actual case. Say I have a new theory about the state of affairs during and shortly before and Planck era. How must I proceed? Falsifying and criticising firstly?9

Yes, you can detect intrinsic curvature on a sphere, even if it is not embedded in 3D space. — SophistiCat

How do you envision THAT? A sphere with intrinsic curvature HAS to lay in an infinite flat space.

God: Omnibenevolent, Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omniindolent — TheMadFool

:lol:

He must have been a mathematician, for sure! :lol:
Hawking was right all the time. But even God couldnt give him new tires miraculously! Only a beautiful new voice...

The creation is the creator? Dunno. What I do know is that god needs a wakeup call.

God the Father! — TheMadFool

:lol: :lol:

The fat her!

Amazing isn't it that if you see a corpulent person, you can't tell whether he's a sloth or a glutton? :chin: Two of the 7 deadly sins. — TheMadFool

:lol:

I had to look up those words. First I thought you meant a slith or a woman doing it with all.

Both a sloth and glutton are deadly indeed! Considerer them mathematical anomalies...

believe there's a direct positive correlation between math and obesity! Causation? Why not? — TheMadFool

Well, I may have eaten too much math, but I weigh only 83kg!

suppose efficiency is, as I said, key to the universe and by that I mean getting the most out of the effort put in. — TheMadFool

Whats the effort put in if god was being lazy?

So, if a particle travels between two fixed points in spacetime it does so on a track which minimizes the action. In QFT, litterally ALL trajectories through space or conjugate space (momentum space), or the combined phasespace are possible. There is one expression that includes all possible ways to travel. That is, for a free non interacting point-particle. Its represented by one Feynman diagram. But what about the math that goes along with the diagram (a probability amplitude). What about the integral of the Lagrangian over all possible free paths? Is it real?

What has this got to do with an ellips of a planet? Think about it. ☺

It's a kind of least resistance principle, including both space and time.

Youve probably heard of the principle of least action?

I'm curious, for every given phenomenon say the elliptical orbits of the planets or the life of a human or other animal, are these phenomena occuring in the least possible times? — TheMadFool

Thats interesting! You mean efficiency in space, so also in time?

like Spinozism to me. — 180 Proof

Im not sure I know what Spinoza has said about this (he probably said it in Dutch, and I would have understood it, being Dutch). What, in short, did he say?

The seed spirals on the effloresence of a sunflower are arranged in the Fibonacci sequence and that happens to be the most efficient way to use the space available; the hexagonal cells in a beehive too is such. Optimization is key if life is to have any chance of success and for that knowing math or following its rules is paramount. — TheMadFool

Beautiful hey? Those patterns. The beauty argument has been used (is used) in physics to guide mathematical or physical models. I think at the base of Nature this is justified. At the higher level (or at different level, to use a less-charged term) it could be that aesthetics or efficiency are involved, maybe even as the rule. But Im reluctant to say that "perforce" beauty or efficiency mean math is present in the world itself. Why should that be?

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. — Albert Einstein

There is a song called like that: "Not everything that counts can be counted" (not everything that can be counted counts). I didnt know he got that from Eistein (I knew Einstein played the violin though). Billy Bragg sings it. Great song!

"Food for thought: We're absolutely certain that nature makes the best use of space (sunflowers & beehives) but does it do the same with time (Fermat's Principle). Frankly, I dunno!"

Is Fermat's principle referring to time also (I havent read the link yet). How should Nature "know" about that space efficiency?

"Frankly, I dunno!"
Maybe we'll find out during this intercourse. Ill contemplate.

Thinking doesn't "imply" a brain; — 180 Proof

In fact, it DOES imply a brain. A brain, on the other hand, doesnt imply thinking, as becomes clear reading comments and discourses.

A brain, I might add, can be either neurological or, in principle, synthetic. — 180 Proof

In principle, a brain CANNOT be synthetic.

Nothing repeats — tim wood

What about the auto-repeat on my record-player? It makes the LP play untill Im deda or dead (which might not take too long). What about births of children? Keep on repeating. What about me taking meth every morning? Repeats itself. What about life appearing after the next big bang? It repeats exactly if lucky. Or unlucky. What about quarks and leptons, being exact repetitions of of one another. What about you saying the same things every time, ending up in the same patterns every time? ☺

But I'm up late and you're up very late. Good night. — tim wood

Was that a lie to quit the subject? ☺

Goodnight. In fact it was better talking to you than the "caring" corporate.

At a very grass roots level, his assertion that all mathematical structures exist in some physical way is a real stretch. — jgill

I couldnt agree less! So he should have called his book "My mathematical Universe"?

Are you that addict? — tim wood

Im not sure. Lets say, Im not standard. Addicted, in Dutch, is "verslaafd", meaning "enslaved". I dont feel as a slave of methadone though.

One can't speak of mind realistically if we take away body. — Manuel

You can speak of it. But... The brain cant exist without a body to be in. The body cant exist without a physical world to live in. The three are interdependent.

They are one and the same. — NOS4A2

So doer and deed are synonyms?

They are one and the same. — NOS4A2

So the deed of shooting a footbal is me?

Go ask the people you've committed yourself to. — tim wood

My wife is fine with me... She LOVES me... If you know the meaning of that word. The corporate you are talking about "was" indifferent. They give me a daily dose of metaphy.... eeeh, methadone but when I was deep in the hole they didnt care about me. Had they supplies me with oxazepam I wouldnt have been awake and feeling shit for four months. On the other hand, Im free of that stuff now, so maybe it has been good. But they know I could have died from it. Its bad for your memiry, say they.

unless a gentlemanly decency had you omit — tim wood

I feel a pattern emerging...

I'm just going to throw some shit out there, and see what sticks — unenlightened

Very imaginative!

Then you know the truth of it. So don't bulls**t! — tim wood

Which truth?

turn around and face the storm — tim wood

Thats exactly what I do! Its causing the tears.

I did my weeping, until I saw the uselessness — tim wood

Typical!

And I'm not interested. — tim wood

The why did you start?

No. Its unethical. But should this stop me?

commit yourself. — tim wood

Wtf you know about commitment?

an addict, as addict — tim wood

Explain! You are the kind of person who never weeps. For sure. I know your kind!

My axiom is that an addict, as addict, is not a person, and it is a fundamental and dangerous mistake to treat or regard the addict as a person — tim wood

You must change axiom. Im proof its wrong. As far as I (and others) can tell, im a person!

I will kill myself. Thanks for this cheering comment!

We cannot separate the doer from the deed — NOS4A2

Why not?