Not to contradict you but the number 1 is defined as the pattern (abstraction) in the following sets: {ghost}, {&}, {R}, {9}, {John}, you get the idea. What's common (the repeating pattern) is the one-ness. — TheMadFool

It doesnt indeed contradict. Its simply wrong.

The teaching of the meaning follows from the feeling.

After all, didn't someone teach you what "justice" means? — Luke

Is justice something that can be taught.

— Apollodorus

As a follow up Popper credited Xenophanes as the origin of his position. The fellow went around criticizing his teachers work; so I recall. — Cheshire

Thats why "Sir" Popper's philosophy is as a monstrously one-sided one, like the monstrous one and only god of Xenophanes.


Xenophanes, dinner's ready. Xenophanes isnt moved. Hes the one and only.

Where could X be? — TheMadFool

Nowhere

If something is beyond space and time, then where could it be? — Corvus

Only God knows, I guess.

If something is beyond space and time, then where could it be — Corvus

As usual almostly: :heart: (dont get me wrong though... ☺ ).

Sorry, I'm not in the mood for games. G'day. — TheMadFool

Hey! YOU started the game...

What's the idea in the sound of pots and pans banging? — TheMadFool

Just LISTEN to tbem and you'll realize.

Apologies. My life isn't perfect! G'day! — TheMadFool

Who's life is? You think mine?

answers why entropy is not enough. — Pop

Maybe an analogy can illuminate the issue. The entropy of you and me is about the same (entropy as defined by S=lnOMEGA (where is that Greek symbol button??). Nevertheless, we are completely different forms. Like the huge variation of animals. Biodiversity. All living thinga have developed between the sweet heat of the Sun and the ultracold darkness on the other sjde of the rotating Earth.

Being true is what a fact does. If you disagree, then you are on your own. — Banno

So you count as true the Dreamtime of the "Aboriginals". For them its a fact.

But let me say this. It could indeed be a scalar field or maybe even the Higgs field as some say. The probllem with the Higgs field, in its present form, is that is has an unreal Mexican hat potential. The zero field energy content is non-zero, which is given as the reason for the expansion. But...The whole Higgs mechanism is ABSENT. The Higgs field is just an ordinary field which emerges from elementsry rishon interactions (6 of them). This means there wasnt such a proposed cause for the inflation of space. Some say God gave the first blow. I dont agree, Naturally!

There are high level aspects of brains and computer that are analogus. For instance they might be the only general information processing machines in the universe. But to pretend that the brain is running Java is just nonsense. — hypericin

:100:

Any ideas why space would need to expand? — TheMadFool

Yes.But you would think Im a jackpot!

It's like that feeling you get when thinking it's friday and then realizing it's saturday.

know the discussion doesn't need an actual mathematician chirping in, but I will nevertheless. — jgill

If anyone CAN tell its a mathematician. Thanks for this great answer!

The key here is that if you could set out in words what it is that a piece expresses, then there would be no need for the piece. — Banno

:heart: The best answer!

Great! So, I've been wrong all this time — TheMadFool

Strangely enough you didnt accept that when I told you that

The world of sounds, you mean. — TheMadFool

Sounds ARE ideas.

That our feelings are related to bosonic forces does not diminish their significance, but amplifies them and unifies us to the larger picture evolving, imo. In my view, we can never loose touch with those feelings in this universe, no matter our form — Pop

WOW! ☺

Seems more complex than at first sight! Like many first sights. It sounds even religious. Though the Greek had a mountain full already. Damned! this is how a forum should be!

I'm not seeing it... — Banno

Why cant I see the Aboriginal picture (by the way, they dont call themselves like that; the name is our namegiving).

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These forms are forming for some reason. Forces acting on them? Surely they would feel forces acting on them — Pop

I just realized. Maybe the force is the feeling! In physics gauge fields ( taking care of interactions) are strange fields. So maybe you're right! :up:

Its great to find another that understands :up: — Pop

There you go!!! ☺

These forms are forming for some reason. Forces acting on them? Surely they would feel forces acting on them? — Pop

I dunno... For example, when a dog of us died, this was a strange experience. She had a hard time. The vet couldnt come because of lady Corona. And it was maybe for the best. She laid sick on her favorite spot. I was singing for her a bit (Im that a lunatic!). Then it looked the pain she had subsided a bit.. I laid my hand on her, together with my wife. We felt her heart beating. And then it stopped. I almost get tears now! But why telling you this? Because the very experience I had just cant be explained by Forms. I think. It was a feeling that she was showing her love. Waiting for us and her to be one befors leaving to who knows where. It was a kind of religious experience. Only god knows the true Nature or something like that. :cry:

But sadly not many people do engage with me. — Pop

One already suffices. :wink:

I'm not seeing it... — Banno

Me neither! But thats because I use my phone. You dont see it because you are no Aboriginal. I dont think the booklet is online.

I don't see why not. Certain experiments could be said to be an artform, such as using sophisticated devices to see detect the wave function collapse. — Manuel

:up: :100:

So how I imagine the situation you are referring to evolves, is as a state of consciousness existing in a form, being disturbed by information changing its state, in an ongoing process, at all levels of an evolving system. See my reply to Frank. Consciousness in this case is a state of integrated information. This is the primary form that is evolving, in parts, and as a whole, imo. — Pop

Totally agreed! I forgot to mention Forms of Nature developing indeed! (after I mentioned somewhat similar to this on philosophy stack exchange my answer was deleted and downvoted a number of times... God forbid!). Wel totally almost. Or almost totally. I dont think this addresses the hard problem of consciousness. However complicated the inner and outer Forms are (with the bodily mixed Form in between), it cant account for actually FEELING stuff.

I agree whole-heartedly with the Forms. All Forms can be described by math. An arbitrary periodic form can be translated (is that the right word?) into base sine forms. Like the epicylces did for planetary motion. In fact ALL FORMS can be translated or described. Not all can be reduced (important for the non-perturbative approach in quantum field theory). This idea comes closest to Plato. The math. forms are indeed not part of the physical world. But neither in an unaccessible metaphysical realm. Unless you think that the world of ideas (themselves being Forms too) IS this world. Accesible to us obviously.

Teleology makes ideas the cause of things happening indeed. Its not the whole view though.

Both t and h have a common cuase. The th pattern in the inner world. The world of ideas.

Ryder. Quantum Field Theory. Good for falling asleep easily.

Feyerabend-Science in a Free Society.

Maybe. Probably. Still interesting, and its not like you have any clue either way, so why pretend? — Seppo

Why should I have no clue? Why do you think I pretend? How can it be interesting when wrong? Anyhow, this is a book part. I have started the wrong discussion but you tossed up Penrose. His tiles are amusing though.

Do you think you might not be conscious, Valentinus? Are you a P-zombie??? — RogueAI

Valentinus smiled. Without knowing he opened his mouth and with gut hunger he devowered. Pure-zombie tears left his bloodshed eyes which blurred his P-zombie vision. His zombiedondy bud opened while stumbling away in searh for next fresh flesh. To leave a message: no shit?

No, seriously. The hard consciousness problem. How can it be solved by matter and information only?

No. He's wrong. Hyper jackpot!

What on Earth are you talking about? Empty verbiage. Though speaking of oneself as a parrot DOES show a sign of intelligence. The parrot is the sublime allegorical metaphore of crackpots, cracking without substance but loud sounds. Oooooh, I like this! Polemics!

See there are more comprising theories? But that machine is a crackpot. no?

He's just a garden-variety crackpot — Seppo

If it's the garden variety then its allright with me. Much to be learned from flowers!