Are you for real? I eat materislists like you up for breakfast!!!

Your compassion is touching but wrong fella mister!

Ain't shit you could say to upset me!

Anyway,why you so sure of the end of conciousness when you have zero experience of it?

Major unempirical and pretentious no?

Well,we all have universal principles of language and grammar in our instincts.

What a stupid and overdramatically grandiose OP!

Jeez,some of you need to get out more or look at the considerable motes in your own eyes.

Tim is watching too much TV and consuming too much American media.
Relax Timothy.

Do not most people learn language at home in dialogue with their parents?

And all people have an instinct for language. They are not strictly learning from scratch,but expanding their language instincts.

So you know nothing about "non conciousness" yet you ascribe it to bodily death.

Pure materialist fiction.

So material death for you involves semi conciousness or unconsciousness and not zero conciousness?

I have never experienced zero conciousness. Its never been proved.
Nor has anyone ever experienced zero conciousness.

You are speaking from outside your experience. And according to your scientific method you cannot prove non existence.

You dismiss the history of medicine,human nature,politics and eugenics et Al.
Pot,kettle black.

I highly doubt one will get any decent critiques from people who are anti Russia anti China and pro western capitalism.

The eurocentrism and lack of awareness of the horrible corruption of capitalism is remarkable.

Cue the dogmatic clichéd nonsense about critiques of capitalism being an endorsement of communism,and the ignoring of the atrocities of Western capitalism.

Hope you recover and are well Baker.

I've heard this happen to a few people now.

I think some people are sensitive to the ingredients,and this is why they should should be voluntary only and people should be amply forewarned of these kind of symptoms.

Animism is the belief there is agency behind phenomenon,which is true.

Before it was gods,spirits,demons,nowadays its DNA,quarks,evolutionary selection,laws of nature,all animism/agency in disguise.

The reason for monotheism and a grand theory is simple,maximum political control. Monoplisation of narrative. Great for political empires and nation states.

And yet most of the times in general life we understand people and get the gist. Depends on the intelligence of the listener/reader.

Wittgenstein has some good ideas but he is a pedant and lousy writer and incomplete philosopher.
@Metaphysician Undercover

My my,posters are awfully dogmatic about life ending at material death.
One wonders at the "scientific" evidence for such "certainty"?

Animism has always been the primary religion of mankind,still is but in an occluded way.

Some crafty animists made the gods/ancestors into one and then reified that "god" into an abstract concept or principle. But one that has effects. "The laws of nature".
The "grand theory of everything".

Xenophones was a rascal and bullshitter.
Initially of course gods were humans,animals,the earth,and ancestors.

Still are! Today they are called doctors,lawyers,politicians priests and the supreme fake monotheistic God is the "Laws of nature".

Animism is different from panpsychism.
Do keep up old boy.

And by the same logic we could relate order following to the corona situation.
But oh,in that situation you ignore the logic.

Selective use of bogus studies to justify whatever political agenda one has. Its called propoganda,and science and medicine are a wing of it.
And Language is the king of propoganda.

I don't agree with every part of your post,but a lot of it is spot on.
Amazing how so called philosophers are so partisan and dogmatic.

You know full well what it was. Read your own post.
Well documented that you are backtracking.

If you knew about boxing,sometimes headguards make it harder to move your head out of the way.
Armchair quarterback.
And you are backtracking on your original implication,which is disingenuous.
A brave person's "risk" is different to a weak person.
Who are you to tell me what's risky?

Always good to touch base with a kindred spirit who rejects the materialist mindset,yet doesn't run to descartes nonsense or platonism either!

I glean plenty from your posts.
Well documented!!!
Many boxers are fine in retirement.
And with Intelligence,heart and physical skills one is safe in boxing.
You are a prude.

I know enough to know your weak.
As are your clichéd retorts.

Yes,not every word is a weapon per se,but its use always has a purpose,either good or bad.
What is language in of itself?

Pedant.
Try some sports,good for your mind,might improve your lame attempts at humour.

Your definition has no nuance and little precision.

It's like saying "all people eat food" ,what does my definition elude?

Your not the first in anyway to have this view,and worst your view is pedestrian,egotistical and preachy.

Try nuancing and applying your view with practical critiques of specific art pieces.

And to address the points and objections I made would be nice.

You are saying nothing new,and you original OP is overblown,flowery,dogmatic and verbose.

As a very broad loose brush the core of what you say is good.
You neglect the subconscious awareness and the primary fact that art is an expression of the artists desire,his politics,his vision,his intentions,his dreams,and most times his opium to cope with life.

You also seem oblivious to the fact that art can also be dishonest propoganda,and that mainstream art is in the main bourgeois hegemony.

Most art is opium. A coping mechanism for life,ditto metaphysics and theories.
High art is instructive and didactic.
Real art is extremely rare.

Yes,you just ignore the substantive points and examples I gave and resort to tired government historical propoganda articles.
As though articles are proof.

Hell there are articles that talk about cold fusion and quantum time travel!

Look at the "scientific" "predictions" from the past. Said the oil would run out way before now.
You been hoodwinked fella.

This is an excellent OP!

Yes,of course philosophy weaponises Language.
By appeals to authority, tradition and conceptual precedents/dogmas predominantly.

Every major philosopher had a major political project or religious affiliation. And their "arguments" and reasonings were only to justify and persuade for a priori political beliefs.

Yes. Just ignore the history of medicine, its monoplisation of drugs,its ruthless pursuit of money,influence and lies.

Gay cures and Eugenics were done by doctors and informed by medicine.
You cannot seperate medicine from ethics.

I've worked with schizophrenics and seen the medical maltreatment and recourse to the chemical cosh and electroshock therapy. Remember lobotomy? Thalidomide.

You are aware of the official work of medical doctors in government torture and the manufacture and sale of nasty weapons by engineers and scientists? Are scientists absolved of moral responsibility for those as well?

Yep. Most boxers would blast your ivory tower world.

That's great!
Nice to hear!
Peace to you!

Excellent reasoning tim! Take a bow!

@Joshs
I think for myself.
But I engage with bakhtin,lacan,dostoevsky,nietzsche,plato and Julia kristeva.

@Joshs
Metaphysics Is really just psychology.
And psychology is verbal and emotional language expression.
However,I'm a Linguistic realist,which means our language is a direct reality and we experience objects directly. None of this kantian nonsense.

@jorndoe
Remember when certain countries had doctors sterilising people in the name of eugenics,and curing gay people with medical "cures"?
Well you had scientific and public support for those as well. And folks of similiar mindset
to you and xtrix and others would have defended these in the name of medical science whilst trying to marginalise opposition and dissenting voices.
You feel good about being on the wrong side of history?
@Xtrix

This level of fear is unusual.

Sorry,I'm Married to the best Woman on the planet with two Beautiful Children.
Good luck anyway.

Yes. Those are illness not viruses.

You said bleach,now you changing the issue?
Disingenuous.
Bleach smells a lot different than whisky,tangerines and tea leaves.
You in the habit of drinking from strange bottles with a very unappetising smell?

What are you getting banned for?