• Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Blah blah is not a problem. It's a symptom. A result.

    Please shut up.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Somewhere, out there, is a playground in need of someone to push the merry go round.creativesoul

    Huh? Me? Oh no. You see, I'm not the problem. There are all sorts of problems, but I'm not one of them.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    One of the symptoms of genital Herpes (a notable feature of Trump's alternative Vietnam) are small red blisters that break open and cause sores. They are the result of the disease. Funnily enough, like Trump, they are also ugly, painful, and most definitely a problem.Baden

    Well said. Hopefully that'll shut him up from repeating that silly point ad nauseam.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Biden didn't run in the last campaign but seems to me most electable.Wayfarer

    Bookies gave 'hard-left' Jeremy Corbyn odds of 1/100 of becoming leader of the Labour party. He was labeled as unelectable.

    Then what happened next? He wiped the floor with all other contenders, and outperformed expectations in the 2015 general election, winning a significantly larger share of the vote than what Tony Blair achieved when he took power in 2005.

    The Conservatives failed to secure a majority, and Theresa May faced calls to stand down.

    There's no way that any of the other bland and more moderate candidates would have drawn the huge crowds and number of supporters that Jeremy Corbyn has.

    So this view that the centrist, moderate candidate is the most electable strikes me as naive. Was Trump centrist or moderate? Hardly.

    The Democrats, if they have any sense, should not repeat the failed strategy they employed the last time.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    If you don't want Trump reelected, push for a centrist Democrat that will appeal to the working class
    — Relativist

    This is so fucking funny because the Democrats nominated Clinton who was a centrist and she nevertheless lost, but sure let's just try again for a banal centrist Democrat with no actual ideas other than being anti-Trump. Two of the top polling Democratic candidates are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, and many of the other candidates have had to mimic their Leftist politics to gain traction because that's exactly where the conversation within the Democratic party has been going towards, and needs to lean into.

    The GOP will call literally anyone in the Democratic party a socialist. They will say that the Democratic nominee is calling for open borders regardless of the person's actually border proposals. They will say whatever the fuck they want about the Democratic candidate's policies around healthcare and taxation regardless of the actual content of their proposals. Where have you been in the last ten year? The GOP will lie and lie and lie in order to appeal and rally a segment of voters. Literally a decade ago they said that Obama's ACA would lead to "death panels". So are you kidding me? Who the fuck cares about GOP/Trump supporters and what they think? This sort of hand-wringing is what has helped lead to GOP political power despite being an essentially defeated party back in 2008.

    The way to win is to animate the Democratic base is with actual progressive policy proposals on issues people actually care about, such as Climate Change, Income Inequality, Healthcare, and Gun Control (and what's interesting is how different the 2018 voter issues are compared with the 2014 issues here....Climate Change and Healthcare have become top concerns now).

    Further, Independents need to be inspired. They weren't inspired by Clinton. Only 42% of Independent voters voted for Clinton vs. 46% who voted Trump. Compare this with Obama's inspirational and progressive campaign in 2008 when he won 52% of the Independent vote vs. McCain's 44%.

    What's also funny (read: absurd, tragic, rip my eyeballs out) is that NO ONE is telling the GOP be more moderate in order to appeal to more voters. Trump's strategy in the past two years has been to double down in appealing to the voting bloc that elected him to office, at the expense of alienating his more skeptic voters. Attendants at his rally yesterday yelled "Send Her Back" towards an elected congresswoman who is an American citizen for fuck's sake. This is the only president since national polling came about, who has never achieved over 50% approval. We also just had a HUGE rebuke of Trumpism in the form of the Midterms where Democrats won the biggest seat turnover in Congress since the early 70s.
    Maw

    :clap:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump is not the problem.creativesoul

    It’s useless for people to keep condemning Trump’s racism. It’s one of the things that got him there - he gives voice to things that nobody is supposed to say, but that clearly enough people believe to keep him in office. Trump’s racist comments should just be completely ignored; as long as they’re news, you’re just playing his game.Wayfarer

    These statements are shocking. Trump is most definitely a huge problem, not merely a symptom, and that's really bad advice from Wayfarer.
  • Pig Brains in a Vat?
    This is funny in a scary and morbid sort of way.god must be atheist

    Yeah, that's kind of my thing.
  • Pig Brains in a Vat?
    A recent study found that the neurons in 32 pig brains removed from thier bodies can be temporarily brought back to life four hours later when hooked up to a machine that pumps oxygen, nutrients and protective chemicals into their brains. The cells were able to take in oxygen and produce CO2, but that's it for now.Marchesk

    Just think of the possibilities! If this lead to cell regeneration, then maybe one day we could recycle pigs to slaughter and eat over and over again.
  • Why doesn't the "mosaic" God lead by example?
    "Mosaic" should have a capital "M", unless you're talking about a God of small tiles.
  • Wiser Words Have Never Been Spoken
    So, it's rubbish but it's certainly mostly true?Baden

    :lol:
  • Wiser Words Have Never Been Spoken
    There is no point in discussing values until the whole is portrayed graphically. End-values or elemental forms of society then show themselves. In the ultimate analysis we simply have a choice between them, or do as we must do. Keep your replies in plain English.RW Standing
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    “This has become the party of Trump and defending him at all costs. It’s sad the Republican party used to be for families and conservative values; that’s something you could disagree with but still discuss and come to an agreement. What they’re doing now has nothing to do with policy and is about empowering one section of society.” — David Smith, The Guardian
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    He's actually named Alexander. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

    Man of the people.

    His children all have ridiculous posh names too. Lara Lettuce Johnson, Theodore Apollo Johnson, Cassia Peaches Johnson...
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    This, on top of:

    Mr Trump has been accused of racism before in connection with different incidents.

    For years, he made false claims that former President Barack Obama was not born in the US - propagating the racist "birther" conspiracy. He has also made numerous slurs against Central American migrants, calling them criminals and rapists. In 2018, he faced criticism from both Democrats and Republicans after reports said that during a meeting at the White House he called African nations "shitholes".

    When white supremacists marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, resulting in the death of 32-year-old counter protester Heather Heyer, the president said there were "good people on both sides".

    Mr Trump and his father Fred Trump were sued by the Department of Justice in 1973 for discrimination against African Americans in their renting practices. They settled the case without admitting guilt in 1975 but were accused again by the justice department in 1978 of an "underlying pattern of discrimination" against black tenants.
    — BBC News

    This man is clearly racist, and all the Republicans keeping quiet about his latest remarks should be ashamed of themselves. Very ashamed.
  • On Antinatalism
    Thoughts?Wallows

    Is it Groundhog Day?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Wow. That woman needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.
  • Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?
    I know the feeling. It's dead here at work so we had a game of trowel ball. It's a bit like table tennis, only without the table, and with trowels instead of bats.
  • Wiser Words Have Never Been Spoken
    On average, philosophers are windbags who talk past each other making mountains out of molehills and trying to verbally beat each other up.Paul
  • Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?
    That certainly wasn't a signal that I wished to be dragged back into this nonsense. Rather, I was questioning why the discussion is still continuing. DingoJones and Terrapin, both of whom have been continuing the argument, are sensible enough guys, and funnily enough they both seem to strongly disagree with you. Like I said, the problem seems to lie with you here. The rest of us are in broad agreement.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    He actually shared a Katie Hopkins tweet referring to our capital city as "Londonistan". The president of the United States of America.

    I think even Nigel Farage would have more class than that. That is more on the level of pond scum like Tommy Robinson.
  • What is the difference between God and Canada?
    A hasty generalisation so absurd as to be comical. The distinctions are innumerable. But notably, I can visit Canada. I can put my feet on Canadian soil. There is no equivalent to that with regard to God. You clearly haven't thought this through properly.
  • Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?
    Why is this discussion still going? Is there a genuine problem here if there's a broad consensus? Doesn't it then become their problem? Those in the small minority. And if they can't get to grips with their problem after 34 pages, then what's the likelihood of a resolution? Seems like a waste of time.

    Wait, are you even talking about the morality of taking illegal drugs? No, nothing on this page about that.
  • How to combat suicidal thoughts?
    Star Wars. I want to see the next film. Sounds silly, but that's an example of a genuine thought I've had when contemplating suicide.
  • Brief Argument for Objective Values
    My view is that statements and propositions are true when they correspond to things that are capital T True.

    Your view seems to be that statements and propositions are true when they correspond to something that is neither true nor false (so how do they ever correspond?)

    It seems to me I’m stating the obvious here.
    AJJ

    In all my years of having a serious interest in philosophy, it hasn't once struck me as useful or worthwhile to make a distinction between truth with a lowercase 't' and Truth with an upper case 'T'. There's simply truth. My distinction between truth and fact is standard in the correspondence theory of truth, and conventionally it's considered a category error to apply truth-values to facts: there are no true or false facts. Your question doesn't even make sense. I could ask you the same thing.

    And does it even matter if I use "fact" where you use "Truth"? Nope. The difference is trivial and not worth arguing over. So what exactly is your motive here?

    It also seems wrong to keep pressing people on the meaning of certain terms to the point of absurdity, and then acting as though this is a fault with their position. If you seriously claim not to know what a fact is, or any of the other synonymous phrases you mentioned earlier, I would question your level of intelligence or your genuineness.
  • Brief Argument for Objective Values
    According to Terrapin “fact” means the same thing as “is the case”, which means the same thing as “state of affairs”, which means “fact”. But he never actually said what these terms refer to outside themselves.AJJ

    There shouldn't be any need to do so. The problem here lies with you and your unreasonable request. The meaning of those terms, accompanied by a number of examples, is sufficient to obtain an understanding of what facts are. Feigning ignorance is not a valid defence.

    I would say that they refer to something that is true, and we ought to believe true things. What do you say they refer to?AJJ

    That's an unconventional definition followed by an irrelevant opinion. Conventionally, it is statements which are true, and facts which are the case. Facts aren't statements. They are truthmakers, they're not themselves true.

    That you say that we ought to believe true things is of no logical relevance. I haven't read all eight pages of discussion, but I'll hazard a guess that this has been said to you multiple times, but you've just decided to stand your ground.
  • Brief Argument for Objective Values
    Stephen R.L. Clark’s God, Religion and Reality
    — AJJ

    I will mention that I googled this book and looked at the Amazon preview, and that I think it looks a good book.
    Wayfarer

    You give credence to phonies espousing pseudoscience. If it looks like a good book to you, then that's reason to be wary.
  • Brief Argument for Objective Values
    If anyone else has something to say then cool, otherwise I guess I can continue believing it’s a sound argument.AJJ

    There's no real need for anyone else to say anything in addition to Terrapin Station's refutation in the first few replies back on page one. You should try to be more reasonable instead of standing by a weak and easily refuted argument.
  • Euthanasia
    Why lean toward death?Hanover

    Why inappropriately change the terminology? Euthanasia isn't death. If I were to accidentally fall to my death from a height, I wouldn't have been euthanised, would I? We're obviously talking about something more specific than death.

    I lean towards pro-euthanasia because it's the right course of action in a lot of cases. The conceivable exceptions seem to be just that: conceivable. Yet there are a significant number of actual cases where the patient is entitled to euthanasia to end their suffering, but unfortunately the process is more difficult than it ought to be.

    How do you know? You've never been to Alabama.Hanover

    Is that a serious objection? I know things about Alabama, and I know things about the Netherlands, and I'm capable of making such a judgement on that basis.
  • Small children in opposite sex bathrooms
    Adult woman taking son in men's room = inappropriate
    Adult man taking daughter women's room= inappropriate
    Mness

    I wouldn't care. They're just taking their kid to use the toilet. If this poses a problem for other people, then I hope that these other people resolve whatever issues they have.
  • This Forum Has No Privacy Policy
    Oh. You're one of those people. :roll:

    You people are annoying. "Hi, I would like a refund". "Ok, I'll just need to take a few details". Proceeds to have a tantrum.
  • Adult Language
    “A member of Parliament to Disraeli: 'Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease.'

    That depends, Sir,' said Disraeli, 'whether I embrace your policies or your mistress.”
    Frank Apisa

    Like a boss. :cool:
  • Adult Language
    Etiquette. I prefer a liberal attitude to language use, but it has a time and a place. I won't, for example, be complimenting customers on their lovely cunts or impressive cocks.
  • Euthanasia
    Assuming the facts reported are accurate, do you not see this as murder?Hanover

    No. It isn't murder. It isn't illegal. It is what it is: legal euthanasia. It's tricky to judge cases like this ethically, but I lean towards the pro-ethunasia side. The Netherlands are admirably progressive. I've just got back from there, and I enjoyed the cafés in Amsterdam. We need more places like the Netherlands and less places like Alabama. The world would be a better place as a result.

    It's probably been pointed out already but she committed suicide and this wasn't euthanisia. She starved herself and the Dutch code of ethics for doctors prohibits them to give treatment where this treatment is refused by the patient.Benkei

    Oh. If so, then allow me to correct myself. It is what it is: suicide.
  • Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?
    It'd be nice if you put on your owl-of-Minerva hat and attempted something constructive.tim wood

    I don't wear hats. I wear a necklace adorned with the severed ears of my enemies. I've got one of yours on there somewhere, I think.

    If I may recapitulate your claim as I understand it, morality is established by each individual, and if the individual decides it is not immoral to take illegal drugs then it is not immoral for him to take illegal drugs. Care to correct?tim wood

    Sigh. Well, you don't simply "decide", no. At least nothing like, say, deciding what colour to paint your bedroom. Not if you take ethics seriously, as I do. I practically cannot help but judge murder, for example, to be immoral, because of the feelings it provokes in me. And that's not contradicted by someone else's judgement. I don't go by someone else's judgement. But sure, it's intelligible to say that murder is moral for someone else. What of it? We don't need to go into meta-ethics here, in a normative ethical discussion. Do you understand that? Do you understand the distinction?
  • My indisputable (completely original) argument for chimppig
    Yes, PigChimp or ChimpPig is a relic of our past. How does one address it is a conundrum?Wallows

    Or GimpPich. ChipGimp? PimpGich.
  • What does 'typical' mean?
    Is your Google broken?
  • Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?
    I just looked back, to the topic title: "Is it immoral to do illegal drugs?" A little thought leads me to the (simplistic?) conclusion that this is easy. If (illegal) drugs do harm, then it would seem immoral to 'do' them. If not, then not. Is there really more to be said to answer the specific question asked in the OP?Pattern-chaser

    A little thought isn't enough, and your conclusion is indeed simplistic. Naïve even. Lots and lots of things cause harm, but not all of them are immoral. That kind of hasty thinking only just scratches the surface. You'd need to develop a more sophisticated set of criteria to get it right.