Share with me that quote. The subjective nature of truth seems critical to Christianity, so it would make sense that he sees its destruction imminent. — Hanover

Not a quote. Nietzsche is explaining that as values went from being objective properties of the world to subjective judgments, values themselves looked arbitrary.

With all due honor and respect to Hegel, I think sometimes he was trying to do something that doesn't really fit the facts. — Tate

Hegel wrote a History of Philosophy. One can dispute his claims, but he knows the history of philosophy.

I don't see Neitzche as evil or simplistic. I see his criticisms of traditional ethics as presenting significant challenges to it and I think he points out the consequences of the declaration of God's death. — Hanover

Opening of Will to Power talks about the coming of European nihilism. That truth as a function of subjectivity was coming to an end.

That era gave way to the "age of mechanism.". Aquinas was in on that as he inducted Aristotle into Christian thought. — Tate

I never heard of St Thomas being referred to as a mechanist. Will you explain that?

I think you're wedded to the idea that there is one “Christian" metaphysics (unless I'm misunderstanding you.) — Tate

I think you are.

How is that related to what I said? — Tate

Then I did not understand what you said or why.

He also admired Christ; but Christianity not so much). — Janus

"Caesar with the soul of Christ."

This great idea of mental illness came from letting go of the idea that crazy people are possessed by demons. Again: the mental was original thought of as divine and as concrete as fire, water, air, and earth. — Tate

Ancient Greeks had doctors and were not mystics.

I agree; it certainly seems that way. I can't think of anyone I've ever spoken to, who has made the effort to read and understand him who thinks he is of no consequence, evil, or whatever. And having taken several University courses on Nietzsche's philosophy, courses with a lot of discussion, I've met and discussed his ideas with quite a few. — Janus

People mistake the fact Nietzsche was a good writer with him not being a good philosopher.

and predictably the adolescents pile on, with nothing worthwhile to say. — Banno

No need for personal attacks. All I said was Will To Power was his best work.

That's dead wrong. He doesn't recognize anything transcendent might be more to the point. — Janus

Where does Nietzsche talk about spirituality?

A facile characterization of a great, but admittedly flawed, thinker. (And who isn't flawed)? Let him cast the first stone... — Janus

Nietzsche bothers those who never read him.

Will to Power was not published by Nietzsche, but was compiled from his notes, notes which it is arguable he never intended to publish, by his sister, I think posthumously, but I'm not sure and can't be bothered looking it up. — Janus

You are correct.

I got the idea from Hegel. He distinguished two periods, the ancient Greek and Modern. By modern he meant Jesus and the Christian metaphysic.
The ancient he called natural consciousness. The modern he called self-consciousness. Natural consciousness does not mean 'naturalism' but treating everything as an object. Christianity invented the idea of subjectivity, that reality is a function of self-consciousness.

That was their metaphysics. — Tate

No...but this is a dead end.

Nah. Medieval Christians thought hell was underground because of volcanos and they thought heaven was a rigid dome up above us: the firmament. — Tate

Again, I am not talking about theology.

What about my suggestion that thinkers have been struggling with 'consciousness' well before the Middle Ages? — Paine

I think that was my point.

I think it would be less misleadingly termed "the will to empowerment". — Janus

Will to Power is Nietzsche's best work.

You don't mention Descartes, but it seems like he would be the exemplar of what you object to. He put the personal experience of the 'real' directly against what can be verified. Is that a Christian thing in your understanding? — Paine

Descartes exemplifies the Christian metaphysics. To be clear, I am talking metaphysics and not theology.

What to make of the 'know thyself' impetus in Plato? — Paine

What do you make of it?

The only requirement to partake in science is methodological naturalism. — Bob Ross

And what is naturalism?

It's not one I buy, but it wasn't laughed out of the house either. The evidence he uses includes passages from Homer. — Clarky

I have studied a lot of Greek thought and I find Jaynes' theory to be wrong.

Your arrogance inhibits your capacity to learn. You're not a tenth the philosopher 180 Proof has proved himself to be. — ZzzoneiroCosm

get lost. sick of you.

You're confusing methodology with ontology. — ZzzoneiroCosm

You are confused about everything.

The greek mythology clearly indicates a lack of "mental illness" in greek culture. — Bob Ross

What is this?

You're ignorant of the facts. — Tate

You have stated none.

We're talking about their worldview. That's Homer, not Aristotle. — Tate

Of course it is Aristotle.

Ohhh yes. — Tate

Example? And please don't cite Homer. We are talking philosophy.

The stuff we call "inner" they called divine. — Tate

No.

Everywhere I am. — 180 Proof

So, you never took a philosophy class. It shows.

Every day. — 180 Proof

Where?

the fact that an organism has conscious experience at all means, basically, that the organism sees some aspects of its environment and not others.

I would agree with that. Consciousness just means the way we interact with the environment.

Have you ever taken a philosophy class?

What some philosophers might call communities of intersubjective agreement. — Tom Storm

Sure. Or social constructivism.

A shared subjective account. — Tom Storm

What Hume would call convention, or custom.

Why can't reality be non-local? — Landoma1

I agree.

If the theists can logically insist on an eternal god then that idea is easily matched/equaled/balanced by the mindless spark and the eternally oscillating Universe — universeness

That is reasonable.

But we never get to actually see the objective world. — Bird-Up

What is the objective world?

The metaphysics is drastically different, but not necessarily mutually exclusive. In other words, their metaphysics (in totality) is not even remotely close. — Bob Ross

Science claims only physical particles are real. Christianity claims the spirit is real. Thus science is the outer and Christianity is the inner. A dialectical relation.

It was Eugene Wigner who spoke of the "unreasonable effectiveness of math". Nature has dead and alive elements. Many deed phenomena (which doesn't mean they don't contain at least the seeds of life) behave in fixed patterns, contrary to living phenomena. For example, the principle of least action applies to dead matter but not to life. — Landoma1

"Dead" matter means it was once alive, yes?