• Too Much Television
    Sounds like you are talking about something more than the television.
    But no, there is no remote to the channels of life.
  • Best weather to buy pizza?
    There is no "best weather to order pizza". It is always the correct time, place, reason and even weather to order it.
  • UFOs
    Because of length contraction the faster you go the shorter the distance between two points. So something that is 1 light year away to us is less than 1 light year away to an object moving at near the speed of light.Michael

    Ok, so a rock traveling at the speed of light comes from a star a million light years away to here. At the same time that it leaves, there is a super massive solar flare in the star. The rock arrives here a few years later but we will not see the flare for a million years.

    Logically, if that is true then the object must have moved above the speed of light to be able to reach here before the actual light from the star's flare when it left did.

    Does light, traveling at the speed of light not get affected by time dilation?

    And I do understand the formula that is used, but how can you explain the illogicality of it?
  • UFOs
    how would the electron on the Sun know which electron on the Earth to interact with, such that shadows appear as they do when we are walking along?wonderer1

    They would not know.
    Photons travel the whole distance between point A and point B. This can easily be proven just by intercepting them at any point between A and B, Point C. Then try to intercept them at the same time in a different place along the same line, point D. There is nothing to intercept at the point furthermost from the source because it was already blocked.
  • UFOs
    Time dilation aboard the ship. Lorentz factor. From the standpoint of Earth, yes. Hopeless. From the speeding ship perspective the clock ticks slower.jgill

    Your still wrong!
    It still takes the same amount of time for you to travel 1,000,000 light years while traveling at the speed of light that it does for the light to do so.
    That is the definition of light year, how far light travel in one year.
  • UFOs
    there is something wrong with the math here.

    Suppose we are that highly intelligent species with advanced technology, and we wish to travel to a star and its planets a million light years away. We are capable of bringing our speed in short order to very, very close to light speed. So we hop aboard and take off, and it takes us less than a year to reach the star. However, Earth is long gone, not even a scrap of matter remaining. Of what value is our journey to those left behind?jgill


    The star is a million light years away, that would mean that traveling very, very close to the speed of light it would take us more than a million years to get there.

    Do you wish that UFOs, Alien Abductions, and Alien Visits were, in fact, REAL, meaning our planet has been visited by aliens from another star system, and that aliens may be present on our planet right now?BC

    I would be kind of doubtful to say I WISH it were real. But I would not be surprised if it were.
    What I do find almost impossible to believe is that there are beings here that came all the way from the stars to do us harm. If the were going to do that i think that we would already know about it.
    If they wanted to take over the world and enslave us and then trash the place I doubt they would come and look around first then sit and wait for reinforcements to arrive. If they were a race of conquerors they would bring the bloody tools with them. I am pretty sure that they would bring along some super EMPs to knock us back into the stone age and the they would just have to load us on the trucks.
  • UFOs
    Certainly not necessarily so, but unless we're something special it stands to reason that at least one would.Michael

    Correct, but maybe they went exploring in the other direction.

    Of course it's possible, and one explanation for the Fermi paradox is that we are one of the first intelligent species in the galaxy.Michael

    It would also make sense if we were the last and missed the others by a couple of million years. Just because there is a great possibility that there is intelligent life out there does not mean that they have the technology or reasons to "come calling".

    But given that the oldest planet in the Milky Way is 12.7 billion years old and the Earth is only 4.5 billion years old, it would appear reasonable to infer that there were advanced civilisations long before us.Michael

    Maybe they all went extinct by screwing up their planets like we are doing.

    Just considering species born in the Milky Way, as I said before, the conjecture is that a species would explore all of it. Assuming the resources are available and they don't die out first, it's unclear why they wouldn't.Michael

    Again, in all of that time they might have come and gone hundreds of times but we know nothing about it. How many plan trips to Disney world and never get there? Maybe when they arrived it was a barren world that they just put on their list of future resources and then died out. Is there any proof anywhere that they earth was not visited? Fermi's question about the absence of living beings coming visiting from other planets was not even original. It was just a slightly different version asked long before him about the absence of light from the stars.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox

    Actually, lots of people do. It's called the mediocrity principle. Of course others also propose the Rare Earth hypothesis in opposition.Michael

    The most stupid of people believe in the most extreme ends of any possible concept. The people that actually try to use their intelligence are usually somewhere in the middle. The people with some sort of special (academic, scientific) interest in the subject tend toward the direction their knowledge leads them.
  • UFOs
    One of the arguments is just that a sufficiently advanced civilisation would colonise their entire galaxy, even if just with unmanned probes, whether for research or to find resources.Michael

    Not necessarily so, just because we would do it does not mean that they would have the same motivations we do.

    At 10% the speed of light it would take a million years to cross the Milky Way. If intelligent life is common you’d have expected someone to have done it in the last few billion years.Michael

    Let us suppose that there is a group of beings out there.
    First of all, why would they have to be more advanced than we are. True, there are many older galaxies out there that could have developed highly intelligent life forms along time ago, but there is also evidence that many galaxies have already died out. Anyone of the many galaxies could have life similar to our own at with the same level of technology, thus unable to come visiting.
    Second point, a million years ago when they set out it would have been impossible for them to even guess that we might appear on this planet. So why would they head in this direction instead of one of the other millions of possibilities in all of the other galaxies?
    And there is always the possibility that they came a long time ago but unless you have knowledge the rest of do not, we have no idea what happened back then. We just don't know whether they came a couple of million years ago, said "what a shithole" and never came back
    It might also be possible that we will have to wait for a long time for them to come, if they have a reason to do so.
    Last point, no one said that intelligent life is common. The possibility of life developing and advancing in technology is not zero though. Developing the level of technology needed to travel the universe is not as common as developing the hammer, that should be obvious. And we should also take into account that some very intelligent beings maybe out there that do not posses the ability to develop any technology and those that might just not to want to do it
  • UFOs
    I seriously believe that there are other places where life exists in in the universe. It is, just by the "known" size of it almost a statistical impossibility.
    The question would be, how many of these life forms could actually be capable of developing technology?
    Even if we count only 1% of the visible galaxies, and only 1% of their star that have planets, and only 1% of those planets that could support life in some form, and then only 1% of them that might have beings capable of developing technology there are still a great quantity of possible places for aliens to come from.
    https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/space-science/how-many-galaxies-in-universe/

    Even counting the minimum amount of galaxies they mention in the article 100,000,000,000 (one hundred billion) that is a lot to think about. But if the other estimate 1,000,000,000,000 (1 trillion) makes it practically impossible to ignore.

    It is estimated that the average galaxy contains about 100,000,000 stars.

    Anyone want to do the math?

    The main argument I see is not if aliens exist, but why would the come here? Any ideas about that?
  • The Wave
    And life goes on, until it doesn't.
  • Life is more than who we are?
    It is wrong to take it out of the context of the entirety, something that so many people do nowadays to argue that they are correct about something.
    I have never heard the song, or at least have never paid attention to it while hearing, maybe posting the lyrics would make it easier to comment on how the write intended us to interpret the meaning.
  • Karma. Anyone understand it?
    And what decides the value of what we give?TiredThinker

    Mother Luck or Mother Nature if you prefer.
  • Karma. Anyone understand it?
    Where is good versus bad determined without a conscious being to decide?TiredThinker

    Nothing is decided, you just get back what you gave.
  • Karma. Anyone understand it?
    Karma is a judger of good versus bad behavior or thought? Is karma a sentient being that decides what our conduct was and what is prescribed? Or is karma not conscious?TiredThinker

    In Hinduism and Buddhism it is the effects of a person's actions that determine their fate in this life and the next incarnation. Nothing alive, thinking nor judging about it, just plain cause and effect.
  • A life without wants
    What would a life without any wants look like?schopenhauer1

    A badly written tombstone.
  • What is a good life?
    Do any philosophers here have more input on what makes a good life worth living for and worth dying for ?invicta

    Having what you need, when you need it.
    Having someone to love, that loves you.
    To let others live their lives while they do the same for you.

    And enough beer to makes things seem better when the first three are not working out right.
  • If the only existent was "you".
    If you were the only thing that ever existed, and you were existence itself, capable of all existant forms possible, and you were neither born nor subject to death, what would you do with your endless time as an existant?Benj96

    I would call myself god and create a bunch of twits to pray to me. But I guess that after a long time being existent I might get bored and wipe everything away and maybe start again with something new.

    I am so glad that I am not that existent thing.
  • Better but not superior?
    Can anyone think of many situations in which something could be seen as objectively better and yet still chose the alternative?TiredThinker

    I can only think of one, not many. How about when you cannot afford the really good one so by buy a cheaper but similar devise.
  • Toxic Ego Effects
    But the hundred is proof that you've learned the materialHardWorker

    Nope, it just means you gave the right answers. You might have guessed most of the answers, someone might have given them to you. A hundred on an exam or grading period does not even mean that you understood the content of the course, you might have just been lucky to have memorized the content to answer the questions, or even borrowed someone else's summary and class notes to review.

    where somebody boasts about getting a hundred that they really did get it, they really did earn it.HardWorker

    Ya think? Not so I am afraid. The few 100%'ers that I know rarely ever mentioned their grades to anyone. They were intelligent enough to know that it really makes no difference.

    A few years ago one of my students got into Harvard, she had worked hard for all of the years I knew her. I was asked to write a recommendation letter for her, the university sent me a link to the form and I filled it out. She graduated with honors.

    Another kid a few years later tried to get in as well. His grade average was just a fraction below the girls, but he got it by getting others to help do his assignments, sweet talking teachers into giving him second chance to present work and cheating on small things that had little value so that if caught he would not lose a lot.
    I refused to fill in the form that the university sent, because he just took it for granted that I would do it and never thought to consult with me before hand. He did not get in and several other places turned him down because of his crappy writing skills, which he acquired by getting others to do stuff for him.

    Intelligence levels, high scores are not the equivalent of knowledge. I know many very intelligent people that could do almost anything they wanted to do, but what they wanted was a simple life. I also know a few not very intelligent people that have gone a long way in life because they worked extra hard to do it.

    I've heard certain people say that giving students belts of rank can be bad because it can result in toxic ego effectsHardWorker

    Earning a brown belt in karate is only possible because you wanted to dedicate yourself to learning it and the way of life that goes along with it. You will always find assholes that get into it for the "being able to beat people up" effect, but if the sensei allows that then he is a bigger asshole than them.

    I don't know what dojo your daughter went to but from my experience, and I've been to multiple dojos, is that you're usually not expected to help teach until you get quite high up in rank, and by that I mean brown belt or higher, and in many systems brown is the color right before black, with belts.HardWorker

    I did not mean that she was actually forced to give classes, that would have been a bit too much. What I meant was that as she became higher in the ranks she should not let herself become distanced from the others that were below her but that she should help and guide them to be better. A way of teaching them that they should not feel superior and that helping the others in the community makes them into better people.
  • What are your philosophies?
    What are your philosophies?Ø implies everything

    Keep it simple, "Live and let live"

    I don't care what any of the great philosophers have said about anything, They were only guessing at things. Whilst many of them appear to logically be correct, it all comes down to one thing. If I stick my nose into someone else's life it gives them the right to stick their nose in mine. So, don't give a shit what others believe. Live your own life.
  • Do we deserve to exist and be alive?
    Thanks mate, seriously thought some twit was going to blast me for that. So many people think that humans are soooo superior.
  • Do we deserve to exist and be alive?
    But I guess I wanted to see what value could be given to this human existence that makes it inherently superior to being a rock.TiredThinker

    The rock wins every time. Try building a house with humans, won't last long. Tell your mates to shut up because you want some peace and quiet, not going to work. Lots of other stuff a rock can do better than humans and they last longer too.
  • Having some fun with Bing Chat
    Anyway. I'm pretty sure these types of AI chat things will become more prevalent in the futureYing

    It might be the only way to get a decent conversation soon.

    It might be one of those tech fads but I doubt it.Ying

    Ask Pokemon what he thinks about fads, if you can find him.
  • Brainstorming science
    I think of science as the process of acquisition of knowledge. Knowledge being the result of scientific examination and experimentation.
    That is why knowledge is so well kept by the industries that succeed in gaining it, it is bloody expensive to maintain the labs and funded universities that do the research.
  • Brainstorming science
    One of the reasons I thought to start the discussion was the hash out various meanings of "science".Moliere

    How would you define it?

    Care to say more?Moliere

    Maybe.
    And due to budgetary reasons public libraries don't invest in such things because they are prohibitively expensive and the interest is low.Moliere

    Yep. Where I live there is not really such a thing as public libraries, I think there might be 3 or 4 in the country. Most of the universities have libraries but except for the one attached to my place of work I have no idea if they are even used.
    After reading an article a couple of years ago I made a few inquiries over the internet to public libraries I found that most of them would make an effort to get the books they don't have if asked in advance.

    But it seems fair. Why block knowledge? Isn't that a good thing for the public in a democracy?Moliere

    Fair plays a very minor role in society, haven't you noticed? Research is expensive, if your company has spent millions of dollars developing some sort of technology you do not want others getting it and preventing you from recovering the money. People in your company would lose their jobs maybe.
    If it was a true democracy them everyone would respect the rights of others and information could be freely spread around. If it was a true democracy them everyone would know all about the people the are voting for and fewer idiots would be elected.
  • Toxic Ego Effects
    So in conclusion if the belts of rank in karate have toxic ego effects so can the other stuff mentioned.HardWorker

    That would depend on the sensei, one of the first things my daughter learned in karate classes was that she should never think of herself as better that others because she has a higher colored belt. She was told that as she moved up it would be her job to act as a guide and instructor for the lower belts but that meant that she was responsible for making them as good as her. To fail to help them would be a tarnish upon her abilities to lead and teach.

    In schools, I am a teacher, it is one of my battles for the last twenty years to try to teach kids that if you get a hundred by honest means the you should celebrate it. But getting a hundred was not the point of the exercise, learning what you needed to get the hundred was.
    Getting a hundred by any means and then bragging about it makes people into assholes, of which the world has an abundance. But it happens a lot because toxic parents also like to blab on about their super kids.
    And then farcebook, snapclap and twatter come along and make it easier for them to show off.

    Blame society, blame the economy, who knows who really is to blame. But if parents tried a bit harder to be parents things might be better.
  • Brainstorming science
    Now-a-days I'd say science is a profession tailored to the economy.Moliere

    Would it not be the other way round? The economy being tailored to science.

    As a starting place maybe it'd be nice if public libraries had access to academic journals.Moliere

    You can get a lot of information from academic journals on the web, but not the ones that contain the information that is moving the economy.
    But the question there is, how many people would actually be interested in reading them? Not too many i believe.
  • Why should life have a meaning ?
    I would argue that the question might also be why should life NOT have meaning to people?Tom Storm

    I think the real question should be
    Why do people keep asking if there is a meaning to life, instead of going out and finding it themselves?

    Why would anyone know what the meaning of life is?
    Why would anyone not know the meaning of life?

    I think that this is a personal and individual question that everyone has to find the answer to themslves.
  • Arguments for why an afterlife would be hidden?
    But if there was a nonphysical existence that we could expect after physical death, what reasons could there be that it should be so well hidden from us that we tend to leave it to religions to speculate on it?TiredThinker

    Why would it have to be a non-physical life? Religions describe heaven as being in the presence of god and hell as being tortured by burning. How would either be possible in a non-physical form?
    Maybe it is hidden in another universe!
  • Wonder why I've been staying away?
    I think most of us lack the time and energy for highly intellectual thought processing needed to create super high quality posts.
    Help us out and give us something to discuss.

    But not something that all of the college boys/girls have just read about and want to blab on about how this guy should be listened to because he got everything right, until they read the next chapter and then someone else got it even righter. I hate having to try to convince students that their favorite philosopher might be wrong because other ideas exist.
  • Have you ever feel that the universe conspires against you?
    Have you ever feel that the universe conspires against you?niki wonoto

    Nope, but I sometimes/often feel like it does not want to cooperate either.
  • 'The Collector' website
    shush, your age is showing, just like mine.
  • 'The Collector' website
    Very interesting. (say that with a German accent and see if you can remember who made it famous)


  • The Grand Strike
    STEP #1:
    Most people within Canada quit their job simultaneously.
    Bug Biro

    Why would people that are happily and profitably employed want to go on strike or quit their job to help the unemployed? Not many would be convinced to do so.Sir2u

    This situation always happens. I guess is due to lack of collectively culture. We are living in a individualistic and selfish period where most of the citizens only care about their own problems and avoid to make groups or masses with the aim to change the circumstances.javi2541997

    We agree then, and I serious doubt that any country not motivated by external threat would be likely to pull together in such a way.
  • The Grand Strike


    Going back to an earlier post, I mentioned that when one group goes on strike, the rest bitch about them.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21234340/parents-teacher-strike-schools-closed-last-minute/

    Not the greatest of info sources, but it makes a point.
  • The Grand Strike
    Is there any actual historical event of every person in a country quitting their job in the same day?LancelotFreeman

    I have never heard of one, but the imagination of the OP seems to think that it would be a good idea.

    Serious question, and why would most cities not survive 24 hours because of that?LancelotFreeman
    You probable live in a reasonable accessible and well supplied city, But how long do you think the stocks in the supermarket would last if the transport works went on strike? Most major supers and gas stations get supplied daily or at least 2 times a week. Once everyone knows there will be no deliveries for a few days there will be mass buying until everything runs out. What happens then?

    Maybe 24 hours is a bit exaggerated, but not so much in a country where nearly everyone gets their food on a day to day basis.
  • The Grand Strike
    It is interesting your view of living in a country such as Honduras. As you already guessed, there is an important community of Hondurans living in Spain. They say that they emigrated here due to social and security issues. It is obvious that Spain is not a paradise but at least they value the peace and calm in the streets.javi2541997

    Yes, I know quite a few of the people that have gone there to live, and not many of them were actually affected in a direct way by the violence. They sometimes lived in areas that were violent but that was good enough to convince the immigration of some countries to let them in. My wife has quite a few friends and family members that moved there.

    But how is it going over there with the none Spanish speaking immigrants? Are they adapting to Spanish life OR are they adapting Spain to their ways? There are "supposedly" places in England where shari laws take preference. If that is so, why did they want to leave their place of origin?

    We were the most violent place on earth for a few years, and I work in the most violent city for more than 20 years. But i never saw a bomb go off because of so stupid terrorist saying his religion is better than other peoples.
  • The Grand Strike
    Well, I think the huge difference between having strikes in Honduras and England is the fact that, in the latter the society still works and everything goes "correctly".javi2541997

    Maybe you could explain a bit more about what you consider to be "going correctly".

    I wish you the best of living there. Probably, it is just my own negative prejudices but it seems that the situation in Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc... is pretty f*cked up (sorry for using bad words)javi2541997

    Well I have been around these parts since the 60's when I used to come and visit and lived here since the early 70's. I have never even considered going back to England to live, could not stand the place in '81 when I went for a week.
    We have problems here, and I hope that one day they will fix them. But most of the people are not actually involved in the problems even if they suffer from the consequences. There are murders, thefts, corruption, inflation, drug runners and addicts, homeless people and a lot of other bad things, just like in England. But the average person goes out to work for wages that do not meet the cost of living and try to live a reasonable life, just like in England.
    There are some differences though.
    There is only one language used here, if you do not learn Spanish you will have a hard time. No one is going to bend over backwards to try to make your live easy for you if you plan on living here. Lots of people do speak English, but if you want to be called Honduran you speak Spanish. How's that going in England now?
  • Forced beliefs?
    I do apologize, you are right I do appear to be attacking youKizzy

    Accepted
  • The Grand Strike
    Most people realize it is the right thing to do and will benefit the employed and unemployed.Bug Biro

    Maybe yes, most people do realize the best thing to do, but not many would actually act upon it.
    Look at the situation throughout the world, massive strikes are happening almost everywhere.

    I live in Honduras and the situation is almost the same here as in England although for different reasons maybe.
    The doctors and nurses go on strike and everyone bitches about how thoughtless the are. Transportation goes on strike and everyone bitches about how thoughtless they are.

    They cannot even get together and strike all at the same time.