B.S.

Did you see the movie “Contact” with Jodi Foster? They had a similar alien text problem. The aliens built in a decryption key to help other intelligent species learn the language. Neat movie. — Fire Ologist

The key was probably contained in the etchings on the sphere, and a key part was where they cut the whole to remove the book.

Liability is simply the potential to be held accountable and where. So discussions of liability are about what you could possibly be sued, fined or imprisoned for, and where exactly that can occur. — boethius

And how many perfectly legal companies are involved in child trafficking? Or, are there illegal groups acting as legal companies to commit crimes?

To save time for anyone interested — boethius

Nope, all I want to know is, does any evidence exist that what you have spent so much time writing about is actually doing any harm so that I can ask my next question.

Let's just start with the EU as qualifying as "international". — boethius

The world is a lot bigger than that, the EU is a small part of it.

Can you start by naming just one massive limited liability corporation that has no board of directors? — boethius

Maybe not an EU corporation but as you said, this is supposedly, according to your reference of the US and children being taken into Finland from somewhere else. affecting the whole world.

The world's largest privately owned company, Cargill, does not have a board of directors in the traditional sense. While Cargill is a massive, privately held company with global operations, its ownership structure does not include a board of directors. Instead, the company is owned by the Cargill and MacMillan families. The families' control is exerted through a combination of direct ownership and other governance structures, rather than a formal board.

Private Ownership:
Cargill is a privately held company, meaning it is not publicly traded on a stock exchange. This means the owners (the Cargill and MacMillan families) have more direct control over the company's operations.
No Formal Board:
Unlike publicly traded companies, private companies are not legally required to have a board of directors. Cargill, despite its vast size and global reach, has opted not to have a formal board of directors.
Family Control:
The Cargill and MacMillan families maintain their control over the company through various means, such as direct ownership stakes and other governance mechanisms that are not publicly disclosed.

Again can you name one oversees company of whatever form (limited liability, partnership, single proprietor) that are "not liable to nor answer to anyone"? — boethius

Maybe you could look into the Vatican, they rarely answer to anyone.

Compromising someone's data, violating the law that is the GDPR and a bunch of other laws, is by definition harmful and causes suffering (one must worry how one's data maybe abused). — boethius

Wow, bit of a comedown from:

This domain registration allows for moving the child data (ID, medical history, personal history, photos including child pornography that maybe part of child abuse cases) to the US, so outside of stricter scrutiny by data providers of EU citizen data (scrutiny that may catch crime), but individuals have more privacy rights than corporations anyways and so this is further avoidance of GDPR scrutiny.

The crimes that can be committed with this setup against children are numerous. The theft of child information allows for crimes against those children of targeted grooming, abduction (and then passing various checks at borders), selling explicit images that maybe apart of court cases, and various forms of fraud against the children information theft allows.

So you can talk to one "representative" of a child welfare company in Finland, validated by official email from the official domain, and then talk to another "representative" of another child welfare organization that will physically "home the child", again validated by official email from the official domain.

This whole thing is tailor made to traffic children and traffic in child information. — boethius

So I ask again, is there any evidence of any of these crimes being commited through the methods you are explaining.

— Limited Liability Companies Act


The last thing you want to do as a corporate manager is be involved in breaking the law, as that's always by definition intentional or negligent violation of your duty of care. — boethius

Do you really think that this applies international? Have you any idea how many countries have massive companies without a single member on the board of directors. And that does not include a bunch of oversees companies that operate internationally and are not liable to nor answer to anyone.

As for the rest of what you wrote, it still does not answer the question!

Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?

A thread where people can layout, without excessive detail, the basic idea, limits and objectives of a thread they would like to create would be an option. Others could vote on whether they would consider participating in it.

Depending on the results the poster would then decide if the work is worth the effort.

Example:
I believe that the earth is flat and would like to present the reasons I have for discussion. :rofl:

I wanted answers. — Kizzy

So do a lot of us.

I failed to get them. — Kizzy

So do a lot of us.
I am a firm believer in the idea that the purpose of life is to find answers to the questions we have. The hardest part of that is figuring out which questions are worth asking, and which might have answers worth knowing.

Thankful 4 you, Sir2u, for sharing that piece of you, always. — Kizzy

You are welcome, any time. Stay in the shade, it keeps you cooler. :cool:

Whether you are majorly pro guns or majorly against guns, everyone should be able to agree that something needs to change and that it has got out of hand. — Samlw

Yes it has gotten out of hand and something needs to change, but what and how are the million dollar questions.

In 2022, the United States experienced more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths, nearly 108,000 drug-related deaths, and over 51,000 alcohol-induced deaths.

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/report-examines-impact-of-alcohol-drug-and-firearm-deaths-on-life-expectancy-in-the-us/

Tighter laws against drugs and millions of dollars spent does not seem to be working very well, will stricter laws against guns function any better?

And even though the situation is not as bad in other parts of the world, other problems do exist. Machete fights in London being one of them.

We use dreams to escape reality cause it defines logic, and forget it's the source of creativity and innovation.

Logic builds walls, Dreams restructure them.
Our future belongs to those who dare to imagine. — RadicalJoe

As an old saying goes, "ya cant hav on widout de odder", because that is the way the brain works.

For dreams to be of any use the must have some logic to them.
Dreams often contain the impossible or fantastical, such as walking in the clouds, which have little to do with reality.

For imagination to be of any use it must contain logic. We can imagine what reality would be like after we add or remove something to it. Imagination goes hand in hand with logic for it to serve any useful purpose.

Logic does not build walls, it makes the imagination concrete.

Maybe this will give you some insight to the early days of TPF.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/32/how-will-this-site-attract-new-members/p1

OR you could ignore them and me fully, if you rather. — Kizzy

Err, thinking about it. :rofl:

I think there is more to it and YOU. — Kizzy

Of course there is, but this is a public place so we cannot go into too many details.

What was the old home like? — Kizzy

https://web.archive.org/web/20180314085305/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

Thrown into the ether? What do you mean? — Kizzy

The ether, the great emptiness of the internet.

Who is "we" and who is "they"? — Kizzy

"They" was the asshat that bought the old forum and the "we" were the faithful followers of Paul's forum.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180207173703/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/10/

What happened to the others that weren't refugees but active on the old home? — Kizzy

There was basically no activity on the old forum after the new owners got there. Many of us moved over here to the new refuge that was so nicely set up for us. The rest of them, who knows what happened to them?

Do you remember why you were drawn to the old place to start with? How did you discover it and why was it called "home" to you? — Kizzy

I had been hanging around the old forum for a while before I finally joined. Where I live I spend most of my time speaking Spanish with workmates or Spanglish with my students, I needed a place to keep my English and sanity functioning correctly.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160325032927/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/members/sir2u-16849.html

Do you think it was worth picking back up here after it was closed down for those same or similar reasons? — Kizzy

Yep

What do you get from here, that you didn't get from the old home? Vice versa....what do you miss about the old home, that you do not get here? — Kizzy

Lots of things are more or less the same, just in a different format. Ten years ago there were more of us from the old forum, some have died, some have just disappeared some of us still hang around. I think that the old ShoutBox was better, it was at the top of the main page and was used for quick co0mments about anything from the starting of wars to what someone had for lunch.

How have you changed in 10 years and does that/those change/s reflect similarly to your engagement here? If so, how has it (your engagement here) different from the way you did before? — Kizzy

I got older!! And busier. And I have recently started with problems with my eyes.
I work from home now instead of going into work, same place but different position. I spend too much time on the computer and the internet, managing the school platform and several other web sites, so I don't really get to spend a lot of time doing things like coming here now.

What is "home" to you, really? And why do you think, you stuck to that feeling of being "home" before? — Kizzy

Home as in the place I prefer to be when in the internet with the people I prefer to be with. I have no time for farcebook, lockedin, or X (previously known as twatter)

I see that you only have one discussion post, but lots of comments since you've joined 10 years ago. That is telling in itself. — Kizzy

What does it tell you?

What is/was the first post that moved you to comment, if you can remember or recall? What topic/s caused you to share your first comment? What does it tell you about you from your latest interests and most recent contributions? — Kizzy

I wish I could remember.

What hasn't changed? — Kizzy

The fact that people are the same as before, some good, some bad, and the rest of us.

Many of us came here as refugees after being thrown into the ether when our old home was invaded and closed down to us. We did not, as others have pointed out, have to send emails.
But I am glad they started that system, fewer bothersome people and less work for those poor torment souls that work so hard as moderators. :up:

If we want to reduce our contribution to climate change, we need to rely less on all kinds of machinery, industrial production, processing and packaging. One little reduction at a time. — Vera Mont

there is no way people are going to willingly give up their reliance on the machines of today, let's just hope that the machines of tomorrow are allowed to develop and that they are better than today's.

Just never use it directly, even when it shows up in a google search results. There is no way to avoid them completely, but I chose not to actively interact with them.

I don't know if being polite is correct or not but lots of people say that it is not good for people to be using AI too much.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chatgpt-environment-impact-ai-climate-104152298.html

My cats only drink beer. I do not make them though, they started out by overturning cans and licking up the dregs.

I think that animals should be well cared for, but there is no bloody way I am going to buy them bottles of wine.

Tiff was around there last time we spoke, long time ago though.

Yep, and they both stink.

I was doing some reviewing when I found it, and I just seemed to fit the purpose.

I'm bored. — Maw

So here is a joke to explain how Trump got the job. :lol:


"I should be in charge," said the brain , "I run all the body's systems, without me nothing would happen."

"I should be in charge," said the heart , "I circulate oxygen and nutrients all over."

"No! I should be in charge," said the stomach, "I process the food that gives us energy."

"I should be in charge," said the legs, "without me the body couldn't go anywhere."

"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "I allow the body to see where it goes." "I should be in charge," said the anus, "I am responsible for waste removal."

All of the other body parts laughed at the anus and insulted him. So he shut down. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the heart pumped toxic blood. They all decided that the anus should be the boss.

What is the moral of the story? Even though everybody else does all of the work the ass hole is usually in charge.

Well at least he speaks the language, he can babel like no other. Poor sod.

Here’s what you can control:
1. Your Attitude and Perspective
• How you interpret events and challenges. — Truth Seeker

Not sure about this, would the control be based on social perspectives that you have picked up throughout your life? Most of which would probably have been learned without any choice in the learning of them.

Just stopped by to see what is happening and this thread brought back memories of one of my favorite programs.


See you around folks.

I think you have that the wrong way round. the existence of the steel is what precedes the essence (being) of the knife as a sharp edged form thereof. — unenlightened

If it were a food flavouring, yes. I suppose you can apply it to a tool, meaning either its character (function, rather than personality) or its substance (what it's made of and how it's made). But how would that be distinct from purpose or nature? — Vera Mont

High quality steel can be made into a fork, a knife, a plate or even a plow. The steel would be the essence, the substance of the object. The use or purpose given the object by man are not actually properties of the object except in the sense of design for purpose.

When we talk about people, "He is essentially a good person", we talk about the things that make him good. In this sense we talk what makes up the personality, the elements of it.

That is the purpose and utility of the thing. It has no 'essence' and its nature is determined by its design, the material from from which it was made and the skill with which it was crafted. — Vera Mont

Would that not depend on the definition being used for 'essence'?

I think that the essence of a knife would be the steel used to make it and that the purpose and utility is given it by man.

For me it comes down to: do we want to correct for the particular injustice in the most precise, straightforward way, or do we want to make the most out of whatever money we can manage to siphon towards helping poor people of color, which includes some - but clearly not all - descendants of slaves. I would choose the former, but both positions clearly have merit. — ToothyMaw

What about all of the white people that arrived as indentured workers, those that were forcibly removed from their homeland because of some petty crime that they could not pay the fine for. Should there not be either cash or some sort of program to help them. There are a lot of poor white trailer trash whose ancestors did not ask to be taken to the Americas.
And what about all of the poor religious people that were forced to move to the Americas and ended up living in poverty for generations, should not the governments that forced them to leave their homes have to pay them?

And why should all of those that pay taxes now have to foot the bill for what a few people did way back when. Most of them have no reason to be "fined" for past injustices.

Ok, I have deleted the link. However maybe I can post a link to my channel at my profile? Do the rules allow that? — Linkey

I don't think many would complain as long as you are not trying to make money from it.

I think it would be more reasonable to ask: "If you were Jesus, what would you do?" — javi2541997

I would at least get a decent lawyer, or just run like hell before paying the bill for the last supper,

I am not sure, but that sounds sort of familiar. Is it an original idea? :chin:

Something to think about.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/scientist-disputes-big-bang-actually-171036722.html

Do you think the disparity between how much knowledge any individual desires would cause issues? Perhaps person A wants omniscience and Person B wants just enough knowledge to survive in blissful ignorance. How do you resolve privacy issues, intellectual property etc when some people know almost everything and others know little.

Do you think everyone would feel happy being provided with everything they could possibly want? Do you think things would lose value, boredom would kick in? Do you think people would still have a sense of purpose or motivation to work towards anything? Perhaps some people will always be unhappy regardless of what you offer them? — Benj96

I think that the knowledge they need to live their lives would probably not include personal details of others. Maybe if base level knowledge included the result of messing around with other people meant that they would mess around with them in the same way it would prevent lots of problems.
Intellectual property is just another way of saying I want money, if everyone has everything the need they don't need to sell their ideas, I think it might even remove the unrealistic pressure of creating and so let them create what they want to instead of what might sell.

Do you think everyone would feel happy being provided with everything they could possibly want? Do you think things would lose value, boredom would kick in? Do you think people would still have a sense of purpose or motivation to work towards anything? — Benj96

I think if their intelligence is high enough and maybe a bit of motivation to find and enjoy things in life that problem would not appear. And that would be fixed on day 2.

Perhaps some people will always be unhappy regardless of what you offer them? — Benj96

The kill switch is for cases when they are bored. But I hope that does not happen in the normal span of their life.

Haha. An important statement. Would you get bored with your limitless abilities and time? Would there be a certain angst or dread that you did so much in 1 week and have billions or maybe trillions of years left on whatever clock you decide. What might you do differently if you were disenfranchised with being this being forever? — Benj96

You noticed! This is one of the questions I like to ask the religious zealots that insist I should join their club. They never have a valid answer.
I have no idea what I would do for the rest of eternity, but at least I would ot have to put up with a bunch of angels singing my praise and saints sucking up to me for favors.

EDIT: thinking about it, I could probably have a good eternal life being invited to dinner everyday by the people I created, after all there would be millions of them. Intelligent conversation, good food, what else could one want. Shit I almost forgot good beer.

If I were to become a god, oh what fun I could have.
Day one: invent and construct a universe with plenty of planets and fill them with plenty of people, or maybe just dogs, cats and capybara. Then have a beer and watch the sun go down.

Day two: Go back and make sure that everyone stays healthy for the whole of there lives and give them a kill switch for when they don't want to continues. Then have a beer and watch the sun go down.

Day three: Give everyone all of the knowledge they need to live the life they want. Then have a beer and watch the sun go down.

Day four: Have a walkabout to get to know the people. Then have a beer with them and watch the sun go down.

Day five: Have a meeting with they whole world, or worlds, to ascertain if the people are happy and if they have any other needs or wants. I would probably have to deny some motivational quirks like heaven and hell, too many jobsworth involved. Then I would have to invite everyone to have a beer.

Day six: get the biggest, highest quality, flat screen for my pad. Then have a few beers and watch the biggest, best reality show that I created and laugh my ass off.

Day seven: Probably stay in bed with a stomachache from all of the laughing I did. Then get a pizza for lunch.

Day one, week two: Now what the fuck am I going to do now?

:rofl: Sorry
Fue mi manera de demostrar que el contexto es importante para encontrar la palabra correcta. En algunos contextos, un sinónimo puede darle un significado diferente a la oración.

Scientific theories are developed through abduction: — Relativist

:gasp: That might work in Russia, not sure about the rest of the world though.

Once again, you're conflating logical possibility with plausibility. I also sense a bit of wishful thinking in there. Are you a theist? — Relativist

Ok. You are set in your way of thinking. You have no faith in humanities abilities to solve problems that are supposed to be unsolvable. Even though science is still young we have made great strides in understanding the universe.
As for wishful thinking, I think that there are many scientist that are STILL studying and investigating methods of FTL travel so maybe they are guilty of it. To me personal, I really don't care either way, I am too old to be able to take a trip to the stars.
And no I am not.

Right - general relativity breaks down in the conditions of the very early universe, when the diameter of the current visible universe was around 1.5 meters (see this). But we're dealing with the universe in its current state - where no exceptions to relativity have have been discovered and many predictions have been confirmed. — Relativist

I don't think I suggested that GR was in anyway wrong, But it is most likely still incomplete. Just as GR did not disprove Newton's theories, I would expect a newer theory to expand upon it. I cannot really believe that at some point in the future someone will not be able to complete a theory that explains everything about the universe and maybe show how FTL travel could be accomplished.

Edited

I think that about sums up my point of view. The brain in this sense is much like a computer, it has all of the hardware but it still has to learn to use the different circuits. A computer learns through the code put into it, humans learn through experience.

Yes. But you can agree they did not have demarcated logical principles or scientific method. No Evidence, Facts or concept of Causation in the way we do. I mean, this can been shown with people today to some degree (and even seen on this forum from time to time). — I like sushi

By this, I take it that you mean that they did not have a formal or adequate education. I can maybe agree that it is true that they were incapable of stating or writing their logical processes, but again the very fact that humanity exists denies their ignorance of cause and effect. Therefore they must have used evidence or known information to reach the conclusions they came up with.

Do you really need to kick a rock twice to know it hurts? Well I guess some do, but for most of us the pain would be enough to stop us from repeating the action.

Maybe you don't realize what I was talking about. I was referring to faster than light travel and traveling through hyperspace. The former is physically impossible if General Relativity is true. GR is one of the best established, and most verified, theories in physics establishing it as a law of nature, describing something fundamental about the universe. — Relativist

Ok, but I seem to remember reading about a time when gravity was an absolute law and then man found a way to overcome it and even use it to their benefit. Could it be in some way possible that humans are capable of overcoming or even utilizing other laws of the universe to their own benefit? And again we still do not know all of the laws.

I also seem to remember that Quantum physics is not entirely compatible with GR and that there are several theories being proposed to unite them. String theory proposes several dimension, which leaves quite a lot of possibilities for future discoveries.

Cuidado, no va i latina sino y griega: desaparecido y ausente. — javi2541997

Si, no se que paso alli. A veces me confundo con "y" y "e", pero nunca ha pasado con "i".

No volví a saber de la prueba y por tanto no sé lo que puntuó el profesor. Pero sigo teniendo claro que ni Dios dice "exangüe" cuándo alguien no está presente. :lol: — javi2541997

Entonces ¿fue la ausencia del profesor o desapareció el examen? Me resulta difícil pensar en la ausencia de un examen y es ominoso decir que ha desaparecido un profesor.