To which I answered:

First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius — boethius

Breathing air in the street is harmful, but until you can show the damage done by it, there is no actual harm been done. The possibility is always there, like the trees killing people in parks these last few weeks, but until you can show that there is ACTUAL harm done by the things you explain in your theory nothing has happened.

Therefore, there is no reason to list every place I've already reported to, and making such a list public could potentially help perpetrators. No one should worry that they reported something that has already been reported. — boethius

Would it not be better if everyone in this forum made a report to the same people instead of us each sending a report to many different agencies in many different countries. Maybe they would listen if the got a couple of hundred reports about the same thing.

It is a low investment in time for people to report this information, and it is a low investment in time for any honest investigator to do some basic checks. — boethius

So you have done the checking, how many reports have you made and to whom have you done so? Being as there are so many possibilities to report this to so many different agencies and organizations I imagine that there has been a lot of work for you.
If you could post a list of the places that you have informed already, maybe some of us could repeat the information to them so that they would have to pay attention. Email addresses or whatever form of communication would be necessary for us to send to the same places.

What you got, as seen above, is exactly the answer to the question. — boethius

Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained? — sir2u

I did not ask about possible future or imaginary consequences, it says quite clearly in the question I asked "actual evidence" of suffering.

This was already answered.

Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?
— Sir2u

First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius


Then I answer the same question several more times. — boethius

Yep, that was the non-answer I got.

As of 2024, violence, burglary and car crime have been declining for 30 years and by close to 90%, according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) – our best indicator of true crime levels. Unlike police data, the CSEW is not subject to variations in reporting and recording.

Could that possibly be because shoplifting is now so easy and almost always prosecuted? It is much easier apparently to just walk into a store and walk out with a new article instead of breaking into someones house or car for a used article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8z8kdd8zvo

Then consider the high levels of gun violence more generally that come with high levels of gun ownership. There are so many mass shootings, school shootings, and other gun homicides in the USA. Yet somehow their citizens are safer because they have a gun that they can putatively use in self-defence?

It seems like their defence of gun ownership is a fantasy that contradicts the actual facts.

I'll stick to what the statistics and studies show. My country is safer with strict gun control, and so I'm glad that we have it. — Michael

I agree with you entirely, BUT:

The United States is unique among wealthy nations in its vast private inventory of firearms. The nearly 200 million guns in private hands are used in part for recreation, mostly hunting and target shooting. But what engenders the most public controversy over firearms is their use against people during either the commission of or defense against crime.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Some one is going to have a hell of a time taking them away from their owners. And the logistics to move and destroy them would be costly and time consuming. Someone probably already worked out that it is easier and cheaper to pay funerals and compensation for the nearly 50,000 victims each year.

Oh, absolutely. Thing is. In every single one of those places, you'll tend to find signs of brutal war, killing, rape, enslavement, or displacement of those who originally left them, many of which were non-combatants I.E "average Joes", specifically "average Janes" in regards to rape. — Outlander

Is there any new society that is different? They all want what they think is best for themselves and care little for anyone else. Prejudice and partiality are part of every group, from the coffeehouse reading club to the biggest countries in the world. Will all of these people having guns solve their differences?

Think about it. If you're a group of 1,000 people with 1,000 guns, and you want to "conquer" or "wage war" on a land of 10,000 people with an army of 2,000 who have 2,000 guns. That's something you might consider doing. You knows, you might win. — Outlander

That sounds like basic inter-gang warfare in downtown some place USA.

Now, if those 10,000 people each have 10,000 guns, you're outnumbered, and you'll look for easier prey. — Outlander

Well that looks like a lot of guns, 10,000 guns X 10,000 people is a a hundred million guns, Where are they going to put them all.
So you seem to believe that if everyone in the USA has a gun then no one will invade. But that does not explain who the hell would even want to invade the USA.
But if you take the time to consider the actual number of guns in the hands of bad guys and compare it to the number in the hands of the good guys, you might find that there are a lot more on the good side. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, the bad guys don't target them.

Humans have been creating civilizations and societies for thousands of years. Thousands of empires over thousands of years. None of them exist today. — Outlander

Civilizations, societies and empires are not the same things. Many empires and societies have disappeared, but there are still a few places where you can find the same cultural, customs and languages that made up those societies and have been around for thousands of years.

I wonder if they’ll ban 3D printers in Scotland since a kid was recently jailed there for plotting a mass shooting at his/her school. — NOS4A2

I doubt it, they are getting cheaper all the time so there must be a lot of them around, and you can buy all of the piece on ebay and build your own.

But what is most noticeable about the case is that he was a loudmouth and practically turned himself in to the police. How many are out there that are smarter that him that the police have no idea about?

The number of stabbings has risen as well, probably not too long to wait before it happens in a school. Using the US gun advocates logic, I real hope the teachers have bigger knives, as they seem to think that teachers with guns will prevent shootings.

And yet we haven't had a school shooting since strong gun control has been in place. — Michael

Keep your fingers crossed.

And I’d much prefer it if they don’t have access to guns, even if that means I don’t have access to guns either. — Michael

Sorry to disillusion you about this, but the bad guys will always get weapons while weapons continue to exist.

I’m happy with the UK law on gun ownership. It’s not because I don’t believe in rights; it’s because I think that private gun ownership is too dangerous. — Michael

The UK does seem to be having a lot of machete and knife fights on city streets now though don't they. When I left England almost 50 years ago, this was almost unheard of. But , as I said before, the bad guys will always find weapons to use against the average man in the street.

B.S.

Did you see the movie “Contact” with Jodi Foster? They had a similar alien text problem. The aliens built in a decryption key to help other intelligent species learn the language. Neat movie. — Fire Ologist

The key was probably contained in the etchings on the sphere, and a key part was where they cut the whole to remove the book.

Liability is simply the potential to be held accountable and where. So discussions of liability are about what you could possibly be sued, fined or imprisoned for, and where exactly that can occur. — boethius

And how many perfectly legal companies are involved in child trafficking? Or, are there illegal groups acting as legal companies to commit crimes?

To save time for anyone interested — boethius

Nope, all I want to know is, does any evidence exist that what you have spent so much time writing about is actually doing any harm so that I can ask my next question.

Let's just start with the EU as qualifying as "international". — boethius

The world is a lot bigger than that, the EU is a small part of it.

Can you start by naming just one massive limited liability corporation that has no board of directors? — boethius

Maybe not an EU corporation but as you said, this is supposedly, according to your reference of the US and children being taken into Finland from somewhere else. affecting the whole world.

The world's largest privately owned company, Cargill, does not have a board of directors in the traditional sense. While Cargill is a massive, privately held company with global operations, its ownership structure does not include a board of directors. Instead, the company is owned by the Cargill and MacMillan families. The families' control is exerted through a combination of direct ownership and other governance structures, rather than a formal board.

Private Ownership:
Cargill is a privately held company, meaning it is not publicly traded on a stock exchange. This means the owners (the Cargill and MacMillan families) have more direct control over the company's operations.
No Formal Board:
Unlike publicly traded companies, private companies are not legally required to have a board of directors. Cargill, despite its vast size and global reach, has opted not to have a formal board of directors.
Family Control:
The Cargill and MacMillan families maintain their control over the company through various means, such as direct ownership stakes and other governance mechanisms that are not publicly disclosed.

Again can you name one oversees company of whatever form (limited liability, partnership, single proprietor) that are "not liable to nor answer to anyone"? — boethius

Maybe you could look into the Vatican, they rarely answer to anyone.

Compromising someone's data, violating the law that is the GDPR and a bunch of other laws, is by definition harmful and causes suffering (one must worry how one's data maybe abused). — boethius

Wow, bit of a comedown from:

This domain registration allows for moving the child data (ID, medical history, personal history, photos including child pornography that maybe part of child abuse cases) to the US, so outside of stricter scrutiny by data providers of EU citizen data (scrutiny that may catch crime), but individuals have more privacy rights than corporations anyways and so this is further avoidance of GDPR scrutiny.

The crimes that can be committed with this setup against children are numerous. The theft of child information allows for crimes against those children of targeted grooming, abduction (and then passing various checks at borders), selling explicit images that maybe apart of court cases, and various forms of fraud against the children information theft allows.

So you can talk to one "representative" of a child welfare company in Finland, validated by official email from the official domain, and then talk to another "representative" of another child welfare organization that will physically "home the child", again validated by official email from the official domain.

This whole thing is tailor made to traffic children and traffic in child information. — boethius

So I ask again, is there any evidence of any of these crimes being commited through the methods you are explaining.

— Limited Liability Companies Act


The last thing you want to do as a corporate manager is be involved in breaking the law, as that's always by definition intentional or negligent violation of your duty of care. — boethius

Do you really think that this applies international? Have you any idea how many countries have massive companies without a single member on the board of directors. And that does not include a bunch of oversees companies that operate internationally and are not liable to nor answer to anyone.

As for the rest of what you wrote, it still does not answer the question!

Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?

A thread where people can layout, without excessive detail, the basic idea, limits and objectives of a thread they would like to create would be an option. Others could vote on whether they would consider participating in it.

Depending on the results the poster would then decide if the work is worth the effort.

Example:
I believe that the earth is flat and would like to present the reasons I have for discussion. :rofl:

I wanted answers. — Kizzy

So do a lot of us.

I failed to get them. — Kizzy

So do a lot of us.
I am a firm believer in the idea that the purpose of life is to find answers to the questions we have. The hardest part of that is figuring out which questions are worth asking, and which might have answers worth knowing.

Thankful 4 you, Sir2u, for sharing that piece of you, always. — Kizzy

You are welcome, any time. Stay in the shade, it keeps you cooler. :cool:

Whether you are majorly pro guns or majorly against guns, everyone should be able to agree that something needs to change and that it has got out of hand. — Samlw

Yes it has gotten out of hand and something needs to change, but what and how are the million dollar questions.

In 2022, the United States experienced more than 48,000 firearm-related deaths, nearly 108,000 drug-related deaths, and over 51,000 alcohol-induced deaths.

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/report-examines-impact-of-alcohol-drug-and-firearm-deaths-on-life-expectancy-in-the-us/

Tighter laws against drugs and millions of dollars spent does not seem to be working very well, will stricter laws against guns function any better?

And even though the situation is not as bad in other parts of the world, other problems do exist. Machete fights in London being one of them.

We use dreams to escape reality cause it defines logic, and forget it's the source of creativity and innovation.

Logic builds walls, Dreams restructure them.
Our future belongs to those who dare to imagine. — RadicalJoe

As an old saying goes, "ya cant hav on widout de odder", because that is the way the brain works.

For dreams to be of any use the must have some logic to them.
Dreams often contain the impossible or fantastical, such as walking in the clouds, which have little to do with reality.

For imagination to be of any use it must contain logic. We can imagine what reality would be like after we add or remove something to it. Imagination goes hand in hand with logic for it to serve any useful purpose.

Logic does not build walls, it makes the imagination concrete.

Maybe this will give you some insight to the early days of TPF.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/32/how-will-this-site-attract-new-members/p1

OR you could ignore them and me fully, if you rather. — Kizzy

Err, thinking about it. :rofl:

I think there is more to it and YOU. — Kizzy

Of course there is, but this is a public place so we cannot go into too many details.

What was the old home like? — Kizzy

https://web.archive.org/web/20180314085305/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/

Thrown into the ether? What do you mean? — Kizzy

The ether, the great emptiness of the internet.

Who is "we" and who is "they"? — Kizzy

"They" was the asshat that bought the old forum and the "we" were the faithful followers of Paul's forum.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180207173703/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/10/

What happened to the others that weren't refugees but active on the old home? — Kizzy

There was basically no activity on the old forum after the new owners got there. Many of us moved over here to the new refuge that was so nicely set up for us. The rest of them, who knows what happened to them?

Do you remember why you were drawn to the old place to start with? How did you discover it and why was it called "home" to you? — Kizzy

I had been hanging around the old forum for a while before I finally joined. Where I live I spend most of my time speaking Spanish with workmates or Spanglish with my students, I needed a place to keep my English and sanity functioning correctly.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160325032927/http://forums.philosophyforums.com/members/sir2u-16849.html

Do you think it was worth picking back up here after it was closed down for those same or similar reasons? — Kizzy

Yep

What do you get from here, that you didn't get from the old home? Vice versa....what do you miss about the old home, that you do not get here? — Kizzy

Lots of things are more or less the same, just in a different format. Ten years ago there were more of us from the old forum, some have died, some have just disappeared some of us still hang around. I think that the old ShoutBox was better, it was at the top of the main page and was used for quick co0mments about anything from the starting of wars to what someone had for lunch.

How have you changed in 10 years and does that/those change/s reflect similarly to your engagement here? If so, how has it (your engagement here) different from the way you did before? — Kizzy

I got older!! And busier. And I have recently started with problems with my eyes.
I work from home now instead of going into work, same place but different position. I spend too much time on the computer and the internet, managing the school platform and several other web sites, so I don't really get to spend a lot of time doing things like coming here now.

What is "home" to you, really? And why do you think, you stuck to that feeling of being "home" before? — Kizzy

Home as in the place I prefer to be when in the internet with the people I prefer to be with. I have no time for farcebook, lockedin, or X (previously known as twatter)

I see that you only have one discussion post, but lots of comments since you've joined 10 years ago. That is telling in itself. — Kizzy

What does it tell you?

What is/was the first post that moved you to comment, if you can remember or recall? What topic/s caused you to share your first comment? What does it tell you about you from your latest interests and most recent contributions? — Kizzy

I wish I could remember.

What hasn't changed? — Kizzy

The fact that people are the same as before, some good, some bad, and the rest of us.

Many of us came here as refugees after being thrown into the ether when our old home was invaded and closed down to us. We did not, as others have pointed out, have to send emails.
But I am glad they started that system, fewer bothersome people and less work for those poor torment souls that work so hard as moderators. :up:

If we want to reduce our contribution to climate change, we need to rely less on all kinds of machinery, industrial production, processing and packaging. One little reduction at a time. — Vera Mont

there is no way people are going to willingly give up their reliance on the machines of today, let's just hope that the machines of tomorrow are allowed to develop and that they are better than today's.

Just never use it directly, even when it shows up in a google search results. There is no way to avoid them completely, but I chose not to actively interact with them.

I don't know if being polite is correct or not but lots of people say that it is not good for people to be using AI too much.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/chatgpt-environment-impact-ai-climate-104152298.html

My cats only drink beer. I do not make them though, they started out by overturning cans and licking up the dregs.

I think that animals should be well cared for, but there is no bloody way I am going to buy them bottles of wine.

Tiff was around there last time we spoke, long time ago though.

Yep, and they both stink.

I was doing some reviewing when I found it, and I just seemed to fit the purpose.

I'm bored. — Maw

So here is a joke to explain how Trump got the job. :lol:


"I should be in charge," said the brain , "I run all the body's systems, without me nothing would happen."

"I should be in charge," said the heart , "I circulate oxygen and nutrients all over."

"No! I should be in charge," said the stomach, "I process the food that gives us energy."

"I should be in charge," said the legs, "without me the body couldn't go anywhere."

"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "I allow the body to see where it goes." "I should be in charge," said the anus, "I am responsible for waste removal."

All of the other body parts laughed at the anus and insulted him. So he shut down. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the heart pumped toxic blood. They all decided that the anus should be the boss.

What is the moral of the story? Even though everybody else does all of the work the ass hole is usually in charge.

Well at least he speaks the language, he can babel like no other. Poor sod.

Here’s what you can control:
1. Your Attitude and Perspective
• How you interpret events and challenges. — Truth Seeker

Not sure about this, would the control be based on social perspectives that you have picked up throughout your life? Most of which would probably have been learned without any choice in the learning of them.

Just stopped by to see what is happening and this thread brought back memories of one of my favorite programs.


See you around folks.

I think you have that the wrong way round. the existence of the steel is what precedes the essence (being) of the knife as a sharp edged form thereof. — unenlightened

If it were a food flavouring, yes. I suppose you can apply it to a tool, meaning either its character (function, rather than personality) or its substance (what it's made of and how it's made). But how would that be distinct from purpose or nature? — Vera Mont

High quality steel can be made into a fork, a knife, a plate or even a plow. The steel would be the essence, the substance of the object. The use or purpose given the object by man are not actually properties of the object except in the sense of design for purpose.

When we talk about people, "He is essentially a good person", we talk about the things that make him good. In this sense we talk what makes up the personality, the elements of it.

That is the purpose and utility of the thing. It has no 'essence' and its nature is determined by its design, the material from from which it was made and the skill with which it was crafted. — Vera Mont

Would that not depend on the definition being used for 'essence'?

I think that the essence of a knife would be the steel used to make it and that the purpose and utility is given it by man.

For me it comes down to: do we want to correct for the particular injustice in the most precise, straightforward way, or do we want to make the most out of whatever money we can manage to siphon towards helping poor people of color, which includes some - but clearly not all - descendants of slaves. I would choose the former, but both positions clearly have merit. — ToothyMaw

What about all of the white people that arrived as indentured workers, those that were forcibly removed from their homeland because of some petty crime that they could not pay the fine for. Should there not be either cash or some sort of program to help them. There are a lot of poor white trailer trash whose ancestors did not ask to be taken to the Americas.
And what about all of the poor religious people that were forced to move to the Americas and ended up living in poverty for generations, should not the governments that forced them to leave their homes have to pay them?

And why should all of those that pay taxes now have to foot the bill for what a few people did way back when. Most of them have no reason to be "fined" for past injustices.

Ok, I have deleted the link. However maybe I can post a link to my channel at my profile? Do the rules allow that? — Linkey

I don't think many would complain as long as you are not trying to make money from it.

I think it would be more reasonable to ask: "If you were Jesus, what would you do?" — javi2541997

I would at least get a decent lawyer, or just run like hell before paying the bill for the last supper,