1. Should courses in logic be mandatory? By that I mean courses to teach students how to identify and refute logical fallacies in everyday life? If yes, at what stage, and to what extent? — Elric

A lot of educational standards are based on teaching logical processes to students and are included in most subjects. Much depends on the teachers actually being able to have the time and conditions necessary to do the teaching, and the students desire and ability to learn.

Having students learn the official names for fallacies is not really necessary. They can do that later if they have a need for it in their university studies.

Probably Charlie Brown would be a good candidate, he always seems to know so much about the peoples way of thinking.
Snoopy could run for vise.

Have you tried looking for a different version?


There are quite a few translations available.

Word of God survived the test of time.
laws that humans make do not survive the test of time, human laws are constantly changing. — SpaceDweller

The laws of god have been around for a couple of thousand years, natures laws have always been there.

But even if one were to accept the word of god, is it not man that interprets what god is trying to say?

If there is no law then how do you know what is right and what is wrong?

for example:
you are forced to choose to either kill yourself or kill your friend.
there is no law for this situation, therefore what is right and what is wrong? — SpaceDweller

I think that instinct would take over and I would kill the friend. Self preservation beats all except when your kids are involved.
That would be the law of nature. :wink:

it won't be a rose either in this world or in "heaven", if it complains. It must be a 'human' disguised as a rose. — skyblack

Maybe Rose is the name of the person. :wink:

but what is sure is that you can't judge what's good or evil without some laws. — SpaceDweller

Not sure about that, could you explain a bit how you got to that conclusion. and maybe you could explain what you consider a law to be.

However, as there are so many threads on this forum it may be that you may have said something really clearly on the existence of God somewhere. — Jack Cummins

Now I see his evil plan, he wants people to follow him so that they can get to know him and participate in this thread.

Evil genius. :smirk:

sAy agAin: gOD sUcks! — Hillary

You are going too far now, I only said that god never gets capitalized. I never said that I do not follow the rest of the grammar rules. :rofl:

sAY AGAIN! — Hillary

god never gets capitalized in my sentences. Screw the grammar police. :lol: — Sir2u

There are excellent black physicist or mathematicians, but they are by far in the minority. — Hillary

White taxi drivers are also a minority, should we call for an investigation into the racism of taxis as well?

Is there really any solid evidence that white people are keeping black people out of math and related areas? Just saying that there are only a few does not prove racism.

god never gets capitalized in my sentences. Screw the grammar police. :lol:

How so? God doesn't exist. — Hillary

You don't think that there is a history of numbers and god does not exist, so where did numbers come from.

And why do you capitalize the name of a none existent being?

Now I am considered racist, while it's white supremacy enforcing math at our schools. — Hillary

Common sense is enforcing math in school, if you cannot use math adequately you are useless to society, so you have math in schools.

The methods of teaching math might be questionable, but not the need for teaching it.

As if such exists? — Hillary

You don't think god gave us numbers do you?

Just look at the history of math. Mainly white folks. — Hillary

Just look at the true history of numbers, not many of the numbers came from white peoples languages.

https://education.casio.co.uk/blog/a-brief-history-of-numbers

This caught my eye.

The Vancouver, Washington, school board director moved to dramatically alter advanced classes because too many white kids were enrolled. He would force the higher achievers into classrooms with underachievers to meet the district's equity commitment.

I wonder how many black, Latin, or mixed race kids got screwed over there. And how many low achievers improved.
I don't think that it should be considered discriminatory if the kids that are not doing well in school, many of them for the same reasons, are all put together so that highly trained teacher can work on a single learning level to raise their achievements to a higher standard.

Kids need to be taught at their level of learning, not some sitting in an office talking bullshit minister's single level of learning ideas. Every kid has his/her own special needs, and they don't get met by over stuffing classrooms with overworked, badly equipped teachers working under some idiots ideas of fairness.
Working in a classroom that contains many people with different needs is nearly impossible. You end up with everyone except the very high achievers going down.

Place Richard Dawkins and some Muslim on an island, come back in a week to see who's head was cut off. — stoicHoneyBadger

I am sure he would have loved to spend time talking to any of these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_scholars_described_as_father_or_founder_of_a_field

Probably because he was not a bigot and I seriously doubt any of them were either.

Actually my parents raised me in a very hands-off way, so you are projecting here. ;) — stoicHoneyBadger

I guess I must have learned it from you.

Somehow reading this my imagination draws a picture of 7 year old you being yelled at by your father not to wear a pink shirt. :grin: I think it is time for you to forgive him and move on with your life. — stoicHoneyBadger

Somehow reading this my imagination draws a picture of 7 year old you being yelled at by your father not to wear a pink shirt. :grin: I think it is time for you to forgive him and move on with your life. — stoicHoneyBadger

If he had ever done anything like that I would probably told him to fuck off. But he was a nice person and never participated in such pathetic ideas that boy should not do this and girls should not do that.

Shame you never had the balls to tell your dad to fuck off. You might have turned out a man with balls instead of a bully asshole crapping on kids.

I spend time listening to audio books. No effort needed except to turn on the app on my phone.

Parents are wiser, they accumulated some knowledge about how life works, and they should give it to their children in an appropriate way. — stoicHoneyBadger

Yeah, yeah, whatever. If only that were always true.

Just let the little fuckers wear what ever they want even if it is a pink shirt. As long as the are not wearing it instead of their school shirt.
Bye, again

Yes. — stoicHoneyBadger

Enough said, I am out of here. You are going to cause your kids to have a hard time later on, best of luck with that.

Bye.

I'd say it seems that some teachers, social media, even Disney are more than happy to indoctrinate children into this ideology. — stoicHoneyBadger

So, as someone already asked, if you have seen so much of this indoctrination why are you not gay?
Oh, I suppose it is because you are too smart to fall for the lies.

Yet in the same time kids don't have the mental capacity to figure everything out on their own, so their parents experience might come handy. — stoicHoneyBadger

So that gives you the right to tell your boys that the have to act like men and cannot wear pink shirts or dance ballet!

I'd rather feel sorry for kids, whos parents are thinking up new ideas about gender fludity and such. :) — stoicHoneyBadger

Holy shit, I sort of agree with you about that. But I have never met anyone that has tried to talk their kids into being bi-sexual or gay.

Where do you think the parents got the ideas from? Most parents are not really happy bout their kids being "different".
Could it be that the kids come up with the ideas?
Could it be that these concepts about gender have always been there and no one has ever talked about them, sort of like hiding in a closet type of thing?

But that still does not make it right for you to push your ideas down your kid's throats. Let them figure out what they want to be and how they want to live their lives. Just because you were force to each a lot of shit does not mean it is OK for you to do the same to them.

So you thought that you would feel good about yourself when you completed the courses and it did not work. Maybe you need to try doing something with the knowledge, proving that it has some real value is a good way to feel satisfaction.

I doubt that you don't like math, I think you are having difficulty learning it.

If you are not learning using their methods, you need more help or a lower learning level to start at.

Look for some basic math courses so that you can get a better base to work on their courses or get someone to tutor you.

Lesbian -A female homosexual
Or a woman that likes other women.

Do you know that you are not a women, or have you not figured it out yet.

I seriously doubt that you did much thinking about it, or maybe you thinking capacity is very low.


Your poor kids, I feel so sorry for them.

What do you mean being a man, can't you identify as whomever you want? :D — stoicHoneyBadger

Are you really not smart enough to understand what I said. Men cannot be lesbians. Identifying as a lesbian could not make me one.

Jeez, do you need help. :smirk:

Let me guess, you're in some sort of a lesbian dance therapy studies at USLA? ) — stoicHoneyBadger

Being a man, I doubt that they would even let me sign up for anything like that, even if such a thing does exist.

I believe you are suffering from Ideophobia, Gnosiophobia, Gynephobia, Gelotophobia, Epistemophobia, Centophobia, Atychiphobia, Allodoxaphobia, and the fear of looking like an idiot.

Either put up some sort of evidence that your method of dragging up kids is the best or just shut up and go away.
Seriously, no one has any good vibes about the bullshit you are blathering about andsome are beginning to look at you as though you are not quite all there.

Don't bother replying, I have had enough of your crap already.

Regards.

You might wants to re-read what I wrote. — stoicHoneyBadger

You might want to re-read what I wrote, that I could not understand what you tried to say. Or maybe just try to write so that people can understand it.

As to your question, not so many women are employed because a bunch of bigots think that women should stay at home and that they do not get the education or training needed because it is not offered to women by the same bigots.

No, I'm not that old. ) Anyway, we had Brezhnev here in the 70's. — stoicHoneyBadger

Repression is contagious, that is probable where you caught it.

I don't have milk, unfortunately. ( — stoicHoneyBadger

Pathetic side stepping the question. you do not need to produce milk to stay at home and look after the kids.

Than why men get any employment, is women would do the same for 1/3 less? D'oh — stoicHoneyBadger

Whatever! I am not even sure what you are trying to say. But if you think it is alright for women to do the same work for 2/3 the money then you are truly screwed up. Wages should be calculated evenly for everyone based on the productivity of the person not on their gender.

You are so far out of touch with reality that your kids will one day have to either tell you about it or continue to be embarrassed about your 1600's attitudes.

Bye.

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I am a man that has never harboured any career ambitions and I make no apologies for that. — allan wallace

No apologies necessary either. Do you have any kids?

Please do not post videos of this type in the serious areas of the forum, there is a joke section where it might fit better. :grin: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cannot stop laughing at it. He must have studied hard, because it is impossible for anyone to be born that dumb?

Not necessary, but still there are body and goal differences between boys and girls, which need to be taken into account. — stoicHoneyBadger

The goal differences are not so important any more to many people, there are many men doing traditionally female work and women doing men's work. The reason there are not more of them doing it is because society still disapproves of having to pay equal wages to both for the same work. And in a world were machines do a lot of the heavy work, body differences make less of a reason that before. So to justify what you say it means that the female body is only going to be looked at for breeding purposes.

Like why would you think that building a career is better, than having kids? — stoicHoneyBadger

I never said one was better than the other, many women have both. And it would be better for the kids if they had two parents capable of supporting them. If your wife wanted to go out and work, leaving you at home with the kids, would you accept that?

Depends on situation, context, etc. Like would you encourage your son to weak wife's high heels to school? Why not, those are just shoes. :) — stoicHoneyBadger

No, I would not encourage my sons to go to school in high heels, but the same would apply to my daughters as well. Only an idiot would even dream of letting kids go to school in high heels because of the danger involved. And my kids would probably understand the danger and not even think about doing it.
Do you remember the 60's and 70's?


https://www.1stdibs.com/en-gb/fashion/accessories/shoes/mens-original-1970s-glam-rock-band-silver-platform-boots/id-v_110055/

Gawd, were men really wearing high heels back then? WTF.

My brother used to were stuff like this.

Like I say "boys should learn boxing" you replay with "aaa! you wants to leave the girls defenseless!"... wft. — stoicHoneyBadger

Apart from the "she might get hurt and made ugly" or "who wants to look at a muscular girl" excuses what valid reason do you have for excluding girls. Give me one valid reason if you can.

All men are born slaves. A baby relies on others to feed it and clothe it, its conception itself is reliant on others. In our physiology hormones/emotions tie us to other people and them to us. Right and wrong is determined by the opinions and tolerances of those around us and our rights, conceptions of self and opinions are constrained by them. As theirs are by us. — New2K2

Being dependent upon or constrained by someone does not make anyone a slave. Sorry about that.

Well, genders clearly have their differences, such as you wouldn't want to take your daughter to boxing and weightlifting. :)

Of course. Boys would benefit from boxing & weightlifting. Girls certainly not so much. :) so probably swimming or jiujitsu would do better. — stoicHoneyBadger

Actually she did do some, as well as karate. Why should that be a boy only sport?

Be willing to increase awareness over ignorance, connection over isolation and collaboration over exclusion, at every opportunity. — Possibility


I guess it is very situation dependent and probably should be goal orientated. i.e. you don't want to include random people just for the sake of it. — stoicHoneyBadger

I guess that I still have a bit of the hippy in me, I think that as long as a person has not done something to deserve different treatment (criminals etc.) then everyone should be treated the same. Love and respect for all, no matter the situation.

Not sure being overly fearful is a good idea, thought... — stoicHoneyBadger

So it is alright for the freaking idiots to climb high buildings to take selfies? To be fearful of danger does not mean to just run away from it, but to take precautions when in dangerous situations. And not do stupid things for fun.

Why would you use such a derogatory term towards women? — stoicHoneyBadger

That is the way a lot of people see girls, they should not do the things that boys do, they should stay home and have kids. Just the attitude you are showing.

Do you let your kid wear pink clothes if he wants to? — Sir2u


Of course not. — stoicHoneyBadger

But why not? Is it because of your beliefs about the world or is there another reason. Pink is a color, like so many others, why should a person that wants to wear pink clothes not be allowed to? I have several pink shirts, do you think it makes me less of a man?

That's how my parents raised me, to be honest not the best approach, as it takes time to figure things out. — stoicHoneyBadger

That is what you have a life for, to figure out what to do with it. Is there really any time limit involved? And most things that need to be figured out cannot be taught by someone else, it is a self learning process.

Like understanding that you need boxing and starting to learn it when you're almost 40 is harder, than when you're 10. ) — stoicHoneyBadger

Jeez, do you really think anyone is dumb enough not to figure out that they need to learn boxing until they are 40? And what if was true, it might be harder to do but if it is something they need to do them they will do it.

I am sure I can answer for most men. If you prefer dudes, or at least girls that look like dudes, well, that's up to you. — stoicHoneyBadger

So women should look all soft and cuddly? And be bloody useless so that she has to depend on men to defend her. Well, I am so glad you do not speak for me.
But why should a women that likes to do a bit of boxing have to look like a man? Obviously there are some women that go to extremes about such things and do have a lot of obvious muscles but not all are like that.

I would say that the merits of boxing is
1. not being afraid of a physical altercation.
2. in case of such, being able to knock out your opponent and the confidence that comes with it. — stoicHoneyBadger

My daughter could probably kick the shit out of me or any other regular guy, but you would never guess that by looking at her.
But she still fears danger. Boxing and karate taught her to avoid physical altercations, not to enjoy them. It taught her the discipline necessary to avoid problems. And her confidence comes from knowing she can defend herself, not from having done it.

You come from a country that has long suffered from the myth of male dominance and by teaching your kids these ideas you are doing at least two very bad things.
1. perpetuating stupidity and the concept of male dominance
2. setting life long limits on the range of reasoning and adaptability for the kids

thinking about the best way to raise my son — stoicHoneyBadger

So if it was a daughter you would raise her differently from your son?

Sounds like a bit of a macho attitude.
Honesty, good reasoning, loyalty to those who deserve it, fear of the dangerous, respect for the living. Things like that are what any and all kids need, not sons are warriors and daughters are breeders. Do you let your kid wear pink clothes if he wants to?
Teach any kid the basics and let them decide how to live without your expectations forcing them into unwanted paths.

:rofl: