It's been known for a hundred years that Brain Activity, of whatever kind you want to talk about, produces Consciousness. — SteveKlinko
But what is the Solution? If you are saying that your statement is also the Solution then I don't understand. — SteveKlinko
My preferred solution to this is to deny that there are unfelt states, and suggest that consciousness is an intrinsic property of everything. That brings its own problems, but it is a putative solution to the problem. — bert1
Can you have another go at stating the problem, and then say what your solution is? — bert1
his is unclear Damir. It's not clear you actually understand the difficulty SteveKlinko is describing. Maybe you do understand it, and you have a good answer, but so far nothing you have said indicates that (not that I have really understood much of what you have said). — bert1
Can you state in your own words the philosophical problem that SteveKlinko is patiently and repeatedly raising? — bert1
say that:
1) Neural Activity happens
2) A Conscious experience happens
1 and 2 are the two things we know that are happening. We don't know why 2 happens when 1 happens. — SteveKlinko
Your very statement screams out for further explanation. — SteveKlinko
But then the question becomes: How does Only a combination of the totality of visual experiences and retinal activity (sketchy images) produce a "Conscious Visual experience"? — SteveKlinko
I may have forgotten to mention that the Rods, Cones, etc. of the Retina are considered to be specialized Neurons. The Retina is just an extension of the Brain and so you can say that the external Light impinges directly on the Brain. — SteveKlinko
How does the Neural Activity of the Retina produce a Conscious Visual experience? — SteveKlinko
In other words, discussions of free will are determined by the limited capacities of our minds? — Bitter Crank
The Hard Problem is: How does the Neural Activity (using drugs or not using drugs) produce the Conscious experience? — SteveKlinko
Mescaline trips are interesting but they do not shed any insight into the question at hand. — SteveKlinko
Don' t understand what the Pea Pod growth behavior has to do with anything. — SteveKlinko
Where is "all of the evidence" that you refer to? — Pattern-chaser
Are you aware this is a philosophy forum? You seem innocent of the philosophical issues. — bert1
But when I look at a particular scene in front of me How is that Scene Image presented for me to See it? It appears that the scene I am looking at is painted on a kind of Screen that is embedded in the front of my face. — SteveKlinko
Also what is the "I" that is Seeing that screen? — SteveKlinko
If your speculation is that the Visual Images that we see are strictly generated by the Retina then the question is how does the Retina generate the Visual Images that we see? — SteveKlinko
... discussions of free will are determined by the limited capacities of our minds? — Bitter Crank
There is no activity in the Rods and Cones when Dreaming. Eye movements don't create Visual Scenes. Something at a further stage of the processing seems to be creating the actual Visual Images that we see when we are Dreaming or when we are Awake. — SteveKlinko
Determinism is claiming that free will is false because you cannot prove that is is true, or alternatively, that the mind is physically determined because you cannot prove that it isn’t. — Ryan B
But while Dreaming at night you can have very Vivid and Complete Images created by the Mind and there is no input from the Retina. — SteveKlinko
If this is an hallucination, I'd be interested to know why and how.... — Pattern-chaser
The question is, how does all that Neural Processing create the Visual Image that we see in our Conscious Minds? — SteveKlinko
It seems that to have a Visual experience further processing must happen. — SteveKlinko
from The Doors of PerceptionIf the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.
Charlie Dunbar Broad :)...to enable us to live, the brain and nervous system eliminate unessential information from the totality of the Mind at Large.
Nobody knows why. — SteveKlinko
I seems that for Sensory input that there has to be Neural Activity before the Conscious experience happens. — SteveKlinko
Science does not have a theory for how Consciousness is produced from the Neural Activity. — SteveKlinko
This argument of consciousness is like what the argument of gravity used to be (before Newton). — BrianW
Good article. — SteveKlinko
Given that all that Neural Activity is happening then how do we get that Visual experience in our Conscious Minds? — SteveKlinko
What is that Visual experience? — SteveKlinko
What we ‘see’ depends on the features extracted in the retina, and how this information is integrated and interpreted by the brain. In the retina, the visual information is split into two streams, one for colour and one for form and motion.
Means that each point on the Retina is mapped to a point on V1. — SteveKlinko
Recent studies at the University of California, Berkeley, however, show that the metaphor is more poetic than real. What the eye sends to the brain are mere outlines of the visual world, sketchy impressions that make our vivid visual experience all the more amazing.
Why is there so little in Western philosophy that deals with our emotions? — ChatteringMonkey
The expectation puts the towels there but reality catches up fast. The real world is remarkably and reliably presented.and reality overrides expectation quickly unless you are psychotic. — SteveKlinko
This still did not invalidate the fact that V1 is Topologically mapped with the Retina. — SteveKlinko
I'm interested in how you perceive the problem of consciousness pre-theory. — bert1
What we see is what we expect to see, to an alarming degree... — Pattern-chaser
Don't see how this undermines the Topological mapping from Retina to V1. Anything you do will change your Brain in some way. — SteveKlinko
I did not get from these links that anything they said disproves the Topological mapping from Retina to V1. Refresh my memory, did you say that because of a Capacity problem of the Optic Nerve that there is no Topological mapping? — SteveKlinko
Refresh my memory, did you say that because of a Capacity problem of the Optic Nerve that there is no Topological mapping? — SteveKlinko
It's about how we treat theories when there is no evidence. — Pattern-chaser