• How Useful is the Concept of 'Qualia'?


    You can't avoid the implied subjective idealism, but naturalised science can at least accommodate the paradox via the adoption of an irrealist stance; If one wants to solve the hard-problem, deflate one's notion of experience to the objects experienced. On the other hand, if one wants to solve the perceptual problem of how one perceive's optical red, study neuroscience.

    The questions are qualitatively different, and so are the answers that are expected. So it shouldn't matter that incommensurable theories are used for the different types of question, except for the epistemological foundationalists who are on a hiding to nothing.
  • How Useful is the Concept of 'Qualia'?
    One of philosophy's greatest mysteries, even more mysterious than the hard problem, is the mystery of how Daniel Dennett ascended to prominence in anglo-american philosophy.
  • Gettier Problem.
    I suspect "I believe X" causes grammatical disagreements and confusion due to the fact that it can be used to mean ​"X is more likely true than false" and higher-order propositions, such as " the sentence "X" is true", not to mention it's use case in relativizing knowledge in relation to perspective ("I know X to be true, so let's agree to disagree").

    As demonstrated in these use cases, first order and higher-order belief predicates must be eliminated via slightly different strategies in order to arrive at the equivalence of "I believe X" and "X is true", and in cases of doubt "X has intermediate truth value".
  • Gettier Problem.
    Ultimately, what Gettier overlooks is the perspectival nature of belief and knowledge, namely the fact that the intentional object of a judgement cannot transcend the information available to the judgement. So it makes no sense for an external evaluator to interpret a person's belief as referring to what only the external evaluator knows. And if the person himself evaluates his past beliefs as being false on light of new information, isn't this case the same as the previous fallacy with the person's future self playing the role of the external evaluator?

    Moreover, if beliefs are interpreted as having immanently accessible referents as opposed to transcendentally unavailable referents, we end up with an opposite problem; how is it possible to have false beliefs?

    In my opinion, the conclusion to the above is that beliefs cannot be properties of a mind.
  • Gettier Problem.
    It’s wrong because it is a fact that it isn’t raining. Our perspectives are irrelevant.Michael

    That's where we disagree then. If someone other than myself claims to 'know' something, I can't interpret their use of the word as making transcendental claims that from my perspective is beyond their cognitive closure.

    Therefore if i was observing a brain in a vat, i would understand the brain's claims to knowledge to be correct from it's perspective, in spite of the fact that from my perspective it's claims are false. And if during the course of it's life it spontaneously started to believe that it was in a vat without being informed via miraculous intervention from my world, I would understand it's belief to be delusional.
  • Gettier Problem.
    Yes, your belief is wrong because it isn’t raining.Michael

    But is my belief wrong from my perspective given that my use of "to know" hasn't changed, or only wrong from the mods perspective?
  • Gettier Problem.
    When I'm out in the rain getting wet, I certainly have an understanding of what reality is like outside my belief that it is raining; I have the actual, physical experience of the rain making me wet. The fact that it's raining coupled with the physical experience of the rain making me wet grants me the epistemic warrant to know that it's raining.Michael

    Suppose i assert "I know that it's raining because I am experiencing rain and that this fact coheres with everything else that i know". But suppose that unknown to me, the mods of this forum had drugged me into experiencing an hallucination, in such a fashion that I would never become aware of this fact at a later date.

    In this situation, should a moderator judge my belief to be wrong, given that i am employing the word "know" in the same sense in which i always employ it?
  • Transitivity of causation
    Known because denoted or denoted because known? If the latter, an example, please?tim wood

    A good introduction is Judea Pearl's "Introduction to Causal Inference". The lesson is that causal implications cannot be derived from a statistical model without some initial causal assumptions.
    Garbage causal assumptions in, garbage causal inferences out.

    It appears that "cause" in your references is a term of art. What exactly does it mean? And what do you say caused the dynamite to explode? Or might you say that depends entirely on the who and why of the asking. And if this, then it must seem that there is no cause by itself - or even a clear understanding of the event itself!

    My argument here, such as it is, simply that in informal use most folks usually know what is meant by the word "cause" in context. But I think any claim that the word itself denotes any particular anything or has any central univocal meaning is untenable.
    tim wood

    Sure, and to make matters worse, intuition is often wrong with respect to logical and statistical inference. Hence the reason why formal definitions and theorem provers are useful whereby informal causal intuition is reduced to axiomatic systems, even though philosophical dilemmas remain e.g with regard to counterfactual reasoning.
  • Gettier Problem.
    As a speech act asserting that one knows X may be equivalent to asserting that one believes X, but as propositions "I believe X" is not equivalent to "I know X". This is similar to the mistake that sime made above regarding "it is raining" and "I believe that it is raining" – even if asserting the former implies an assertion of the latter, as propositions they mean different things.

    That belief and knowledge are different is obvious when we consider it in the third-person: "John believes that Donald Trump won the 2020 election" is not equivalent to "John knows that Donald Trump won the 2020 election." John can believe that Donald Trump won even if he didn't, but he can't know that Donald Trump won if he didn't.
    Michael

    As we are both not john, we can both agree that John's beliefs doesn't equal the truth, but that doesn't give John the epistemic warrant to know that fact, because it lies outside of John's cognitive closure.

    At most, John can parrot the sentence without any understanding of what reality is like outside of John's beliefs.
  • Gettier Problem.
    I'm concerned with the meaning of the proposition "you're wrong", not how to interpret it as a speech act in a specific situation like we've done above.Michael

    If you understand my point of view, then we might be talking apples and oranges with you playing the game of arguing within accepted philosophical convention and me under-mining it, but assuming we disagree i'll continue.

    What I am questioning is the very existence of inter-subjective semantics for propositions, which in turn leads to questioning the distinction between ethical misconduct and epistemic errors. The notion of inter-subjective meaning is dubious at best, and rigor is improved by conditionalizing every utterance, including so-called propositions, with respect to the causes of the speaker's utterances including causes that are external to the speaker's mind or brain.

    For instance, consider the published results of a scientific experiment. If the details of the experiment aren't reported, then the results cannot be interpreted and are gibberish. Why should utterances divorced from their speakers be treated differently? How can we arrive at the idea of an inter-subjectively meaningful and speaker-independent proposition? And if we can't, then why should we attribute epistemic errors to anyone, even in the case of ourselves?

    Language is a social convention for coordinating human activity, and achieves this by correcting people who fail to speak in a socially accepted fashion. But how do we leap from the observation that a speaker has spoken the unethical utterance "The Earth is Flat", to the conclusion that the speaker has made an epistemic error? This isn't justified on any causal analysis of psycho-linguistics, unless "epistemic errors" are trivially defined by convention to refer to the unethical utterances concerned.
  • Gettier Problem.
    Just because my assertion "it is raining" implies that I believe that it is raining, it doesn't then follow that "it is raining" means "I believe that it is raining."Michael

    If you say "It is raining", i cannot interpret you as saying anything other than " Michael believes it is raining".

    And if i notice that it isn't raining, then it begs the question as to how a false state of affairs could cause your belief. The notion that the cause of a belief can be detached from the intentional object of the belief is a fallacy, well, at least according to me.
  • Gettier Problem.
    No, not according to us. It's not according to anyone. It's about what actually is the case. I don't understand what's difficult about this.Michael

    Every assertion has a cause. In your view, is it possible to grasp the meaning of an assertion without understanding the cause of the assertion?
  • Gettier Problem.
    It's not according to anyone. It's about what really is the case, irrespective of what anyone believes.Michael

    So according to us? See my last example.
  • Gettier Problem.
    It doesn't. It refers to the independent fact that it is raining.Michael

    An independent fact according to whom?
  • Gettier Problem.
    John knows that it is raining if:

    1) John believes that it is raining,
    2) John is justified in believing that it is raining, and
    3) it is raining

    It would be a mistake to interpret this as saying that John knows that it is raining if:

    1) John believes that it is raining,
    2) John is justified in believing that it is raining, and
    3) I believe that it is raining

    This latter argument is obviously fallacious.
    Michael


    If 3) refers to your belief that it is raining, then I would say, by appealing to the meaningless of Moore's Sentence, that :

    John doesn't know that it is raining from my perspective,
    John knows that it is raining from your perspective.

    If this looks uncomfortable, recall as Wittgenstein did, that we often say "I thought I knew, but i am proven wrong". From the perspective of ordinary language philosophy, the use of the verb "to know" doesn't imply infallibility of belief.

    Consider also:-

    1) John is blind, never leaves the house, and believes that it is raining,
    2) John is justified in believing that it is raining, and
    3) you and I directly observe that it isn't raining.

    In which case John's belief that it is raining is false-according-to-us. But if we are privy to "insider information" about the weather that John does not and cannot possess, then is it logically coherent for us to interpret John's concept of the weather as being the same as ours?

    If John's justification for his beliefs is logically valid and logically sound with respect to information he possesses, and if he is never confronted with a situation in which he declares his previous beliefs to be wrong, then where is John's mistake?
  • Gettier Problem.
    The same way most people do. The world isn't just what I believe it to be. Sometimes the things I believe turn out to be wrong.Michael

    It is obviously that case that you aren't necessarily willing to presently assert your previous beliefs, or to presently assert my present beliefs.

    This is why i precisely asked

    "So what are you willing to assert about the present that you don't presently believe? "

    Which is the case precisely raised by Moore's paradox.
  • Gettier Problem.
    Nothing. What relevance is that?Michael

    I'm trying to understand how you distinguish your concept of your beliefs from your concept of reality.
  • Gettier Problem.


    So what are you willing to assert about the present, that you don't presently believe?
  • Transitivity of causation
    Do you have a clear idea of what the purpose of the labor over "cause" is? It seems that cause itself is a word that seems to have a meaning, but that disappears when looked at closely, making it a word for informal use, or one to be defined as a term of art by its several users - a lawyer's delight. That is, it's not a one but a many, and most of those incompatible. So I'm baffled why anyone bothers with it - and I read that scientists use it only informally if at all; that is, not a concept in science.tim wood

    That's understandable, due to historical disagreements and confusion in science as to how to formulate the notion, but things have rapidly changed in recent years as causal semantics has been steadily formalized, most notably in the structural equation modelling approach of Judea Pearl; the structure of a multi-variate probability distribution is factored into a set of conditional probability distributions, a subset of which are interpreted axiomatically as denoting known causal relations. With respect to these causal assumptions, the remaining correlations of the model can then be tested for the property of "cause and effect" through analytic methods and through additional interventional studies in cases where additional real-world data is required. However, the statistical quality of these non-deterministic models obscures the underlying logic of causality they employ, which is explicated more succinctly in Linear Logic, process algebras, and related semantics such as Petri Nets, monoidal categories and string diagrams

    And it may be altogether in the eye of the beholder. An example from a book: a car rolls in a turn; what caused it? Driving too fast, according to the police. Bad suspension, per the automotive engineer. Off-camber road, according to the road builder. And here we get contributory causes, which is to say that no cause is a cause!
    tim wood

    And yet their perspectives are compatible, no? Each actor is expressing the existence of a different marginal distribution conditioned upon their favourite independent variable, which are hopefully mutually consistent and can be added together into a combined model.
  • Hard And Easy Is A Matter Of Perspective
    I dislike the word "hard", for it seems to encourage an inaccurate association of pain and struggle with respect to the "hard" objective concerned, leading to procrastination.

    I think the concept of difficulty should be eliminated for the concept of expense, which is more objective and might be perceived as being a less painful concept.
  • Is magick real? If so, should there be laws governing how magick can be practiced?
    My arm moves when I will it. Is that magick?Michael

    I hazard a guess that magick is another word for affirmations.
  • Transitivity of causation


    Oppeheimer would be the distal cause of the explosion, as described by transitivity. And the role of U-235 might also be relegated to that of a distal cause in a sufficiently fine-grained model of the explosion.

    But not all descriptions of a process obey transitivity, in which case such descriptions aren't causal descriptions. For example, take the SEP's example in the metaphysics of causality article that purportedly refutes causal transitivity :

    A large boulder roles down hill (A) causing a hiker to jump out of the way (B). The hiker's jump (B) "causes" him to survive (C). Therefore by transitivity the boulder rolling (A) causes the hiker's survival (C), which is a false conclusion.

    But this isn't a valid argument, because although A --> B can be considered a true implication in the example, survival isn't definable in terms of acts of jumping alone, and so we don't have the implication B --> C, therefore we cannot use transitivity to derive A --> C.

    What this example actually demonstrates is the situation (A and B) --> C.
  • Transitivity of causation
    The study of transitive relations is otherwise known as Order Theory. A model of Causation without transitivity would essentially amount to a set of unorderable events without a notion of implication.
  • Gettier Problem.
    Something’s truth does not require that anyone can know or prove that it is true. Not all truths are established truths. If you flip a coin and never check how it landed, it may be true that it landed heads, even if nobody has any way to tell.

    Why is it necessary to believe that a flipped coin assumes a definite state of affairs before checking? This assumption only appears to be necessary relative to the commonly accepted assumption that causality is asymmetrical in which causes must precede effects. But this assumption isn't empirically testable.

    Instead, if causation is treated symmetrically, in the sense of allowing both forward and backward causation, then the act of checking the outcome of a flipped coin can be freely interpreted as forcing the past state of the coin to assume a definite state of affairs.

    Consider for instance a video game that dynamically generates a dungeon around a player in response to the player's movement. This demonstrates that backward causation is a valid empirical notion, even if the game's underlying implementation involves only forward causation.
  • The importance of celebrating evil, irrationality and dogma
    I like the brash and provocative title. As to your underlying views, they sound faintly reminiscent of Leo Strauss. What is your understanding of the modernism/post-modernism distinction?
  • Debate Discussion: "The content of belief is propositional".
    I'm inclined to reject the idea that truth is a predicate for similar reasons as to why Frege, Hume and Kant rejected the idea of existence as a predicate.

    Suppose that a belief is a truth-apt mental state. If the truth of beliefs is identified with either their mental content or their material causes, then all beliefs must be necessarily and vacuously true. For example, i believe i am tying at a desk which i see before me. If "desk" is considered to refer to my experience directly, or to it's perceptual causes, then the truth of my belief is vacuously true in expressing nothing over and above the fact i am seeing something i call "desk" as a result of whatever caused me to say such a thing.

    On the other hand, if the truth criteria of beliefs is considered to be independent of their mental content, as is normally considered where the truth of beliefs is regarded as being future-contigent, then the truth of beliefs is divorced from their mental content and material causes. In which case truth is no longer attributable to beliefs in themselves, but refers to an external convention for classifying belief-behaviour.
  • Gettier Problem.
    "The visual data is believed to be consistent with the existence of a cow, relative to the present state of the observer that summarises the reliability of unstated contextual assumptions".

    Shouldn't sentence A be considered an acceptable expression of justified true belief?

    I think so, even if the impossibility of error is implied.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    The issue is the intent behind the creation of the thing. So the trail with a fork is not analogous, because each fork may have been created and intended to lead you somewhere different. Instead, we could talk about a sign which is intended to lead you in two distinct and incompatible directions. Such a sign is really not intended to lead you anywhere. However, this does not mean that it is not intended to do something, i.e. it does not mean that the sign is meaningless.Metaphysician Undercover

    I roughly concur; although by "trail" i wasn't necessarily implying a man-made trail. Tea leaf patterns at the bottom of a cup would suffice as an example, as would mental imagery that spontaneously arises inside the mind of a water-diviner. A sign's public information (e.g grammar, syntax, history of ostensive definition etc) under-determines any supposed external referent of the sign. The referent of anything interpreted as being a "sign" is subjective and relative to the intentions of a particular user who interprets the "sign" in a manner that is dependent on the user's personal history including his past observations of similar appearances of said sign, among other things.

    In my understanding, semantic realists tend to think of signs as teleological entities that express future-contingent propositions. They reason on the basis of past experience that a trail must lead somewhere, and consequently interpret the trail as signifying one or more unexplored possibilities, even if nobody ever follows it. They do this by imagining a fictional use of the trail that accords with their past experiences and they then conflate this fictitious extrapolation of memory with an actual use of the trail, which they then ironically attribute to a space of possible futures, in spite of the future playing no actual role in their experiences or use of words.

    My understanding of Wittgenstein's point, which is presumably related to your point, is that there is nothing a priori about a sign that can be called it's 'future-contingent' referent in any literal sense of the word "future". A forteriori, there is nothing a priori about a sign that can be called it's external bearer or referent.

    A person makes predictions with signs, but their predictions are merely reports of their observations in relation to their present mental state. Therefore if a contradiction arises between a previous prediction and presently observed circumstances, it isn't that the previous prediction is really wrong, rather the contradiction refers to the fact that the previous prediction is now labelled "wrong" as part of a post-hoc revision of linguistic convention.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    Is a trail with a fork ( ---< ) vague or ambiguous?

    If one intends to use the trail as a path to a destination in mind, then the trail is ambiguous. If one merely intends to use the trail without a destination in mind, then the trail is vague. And if one doesn't intend to use the trail, then the trail is neither vague nor ambiguous.
  • When Alan Turing and Ludwig Wittgenstein Discussed the Liar Paradox
    Godel's 2nd incompleteness theorem is not that certain systems can't be proven consistent, but rather that if they are consistent then they can't be proved consistent by certain meansTonesInDeepFreeze


    Constructively, the implications of the incompleteness theorems are stronger than that. The consistency of certain systems (PA and the like) cannot be constructively proved by any means. All that can potentially exist in the constructive sense with regards to such systems are i) potential constructive proofs of absolute inconsistency via brute-force evaluation of the underlying sequent calculus until the inconsistency is unearthed, and ii) conditional proofs of relative inconsistency, where the inconsistency of one system implies the inconsistency of another. E.g Gentzen proved that the inconsistency of PA implies the inconsistency of PRA + transfinite induction on the ordinals.

    Personally, I am tempted to interpret Gentzen's result as denying the meaningfulness of epsilon zero (i.e the first limiting ordinal) as being considered a "well-founded" ordinal. For while it might be shown one day that PA is inconsistent, it can never be shown to be consistent unless one begs the question. By semi-decidability it is meaningful to ask if epsilon zero isn't well-founded, but it isn't meaningful to assume or hypothesise that it is well-founded,
  • When Alan Turing and Ludwig Wittgenstein Discussed the Liar Paradox
    There is so much complexity I find it hard to believe that a little meaningless self-reference of the kinds we are talking about will gum up the cogs in the machinery.T Clark

    Recall that Peano arithmetic might turn out to be inconsistent. In which case, an application of a deductive system based on such arithmetic might result in physically untrue predictions via explosion.

    Wittgenstein made the point in Philosophical Remarks (IIRC), that whilst such inconsistencies would lead to physically untrue predictions if applied blindly, there is no reason why the occurrence of such events would discredit uses of the system for which inconsistency plays no role. And since it is impossible to predict the existence of mathematical inconsistency before it arises (due to the the second incompleteness theorem), there is no reason to fret about the possibility a priori. We only need to patch our systems as we go.

    Wittgenstein's remarks weren't targeted towards scientists or engineers, but towards philosophers who sought to establish epistemological foundations of mathematics.

    Turing on the other hand was worried, due to his interests in artificial intelligence, where such systems might be applied blindly.
  • When Alan Turing and Ludwig Wittgenstein Discussed the Liar Paradox
    Apples and Oranges.

    Both Turing and Wittgenstein understood that sufficiently complex formal systems (.e.g Peano arithmetic) cannot be known to be consistent a priori due to the halting problem, and that inconsistency in practice must be patched as and when problems arise in application, similar to legal precedent or a sport.

    Wittgenstein argues, using the example of 20th century applications of logic and mathematics, that if logical paradoxes and incompleteness results of higher-order logic have no practical implications, then why should philosophers worry?

    Turing's point should be understood in relation to artificial intelligence and automation; whilst it is true that logical paradoxes and inconsistencies aren't relevant to manual applications of mathematical modelling in bridge design, they are potentially relevant with regards to the automation of bridge design in which artificial intelligence reasons in higher-order mathematics.

    So they should be regarded as being on the same side, considering the fact that both had no time for platonic superstition, and that both were making different points.
  • Devitt: "Dummett's Anti-Realism"
    I've only skim read the above article, so correct me of i'm wrong, but i'm of the impression that Dummett (according to Devitt) is equating, or maybe even equivocating, intuitionism with intuitionistic logic. Under the latter interpretation it is indeed the case that the truth of a proposition is synonymous with, and describable in terms of, the sole activities of the mathematician. One can say in this case that the syntax is the semantics. But under the former interpretation the issue is more subtle and already accommodates my (potentially incorrect and off-base) understanding of Devitts position.

    According to intuitionistic logic and intuitionistic type theory, the construction of anything, including the natural numbers and arithmetic, is exhaustively described by axioms and rules of inference, in that terms in the logic make no reference to contingent events of the outside world. So for example, the definition of "one" is reducible to an infallible function called "Successor" operating on a directly observable state "O" to yield in every case a directly observable state "SO". ( The infallibility here looks suspiciously platonistic if the logic is interpreted as being literally true, as opposed to interpreted as being an approximate model of something or a set of normative principles).

    But according to intuitionism objects and numbers can also be lawless, where an object is said to be "lawless" if it's existence and/or value isn't decided by the formal system it is part of, but by something not described by, and external to, the formal system.

    For example, the standard model of Heyting-arithmetic, which is the intuitionistic logic equivalent of Peano arithmetic, does not include terms for representing the random outcome from physically tossing a die, whereas a corresponding system in intuitionism can, where such a term is said to be "lawless", meaning that the term refers to a value that isn't internally decided by the logic and whose value only potentially exists. In software engineering, such objects are often called "Promises" and are used by programs to denote external random events of the future, such as unreliable and uncertain server responses, where the possibilities of successful replies, failed replies and no replies must be handled by the program logic.

    It should also be remarked, that the founder of intuitionism, Brouwer, considered mentally-created numbers as being lawless in so far as they aren't consciously associated with the outcome of a formula.
    So by this philosophy, a "lawful" number is merely a value that is logically interpreted, either consciously or practically, as being of the codomain of a formula.

    In summary, it isn't the case that intuitionism equates truth with operational construction as in intuitionistic logic. Intuitionism also generalises the intuitionistic-logic notion of proof to include terms that are merely potentially referring, and that when referring refer to contingent events external to the prior observations, construction practices and prior knowledge of the creating subject. But at the same time, intuitionism does not assume that such potentially referring terms are actually referring until as and when the terms are externally initialised with values. Therefore according to Quine's maxim "to be is to be the value of a bound variable", intuitionism cannot be described as realistic.

    I get the initial impression that Devitt is arguing for a very weak form of "realism" that merely denies the reduction of truth to principles of construction stateable by a priori laws. Nevertheless, to my understanding his views seem to be already accommodated by intuitionism, which isn't considered to be a realist philosophy of mathematics.

    My questions are therefore:

    Every computer program that interacts with the world is describable in the language of intuitionism, in which terms presently either have values or don't have values. What in addition, if anything, does Devitt think needs including?

    Is Devitt's very weak realism, as i understand it, really acceptable to common-sense realists? how is it different to negative theology?
  • Realism
    One issue that tends to get overlooked with anti-realism, is that it is consistent for a person to assert anti-realism for himself, but to assert realism for other people. This is because the grammar of anti-realism is rooted in perspective, and since people don't share the same perspective, they cannot assert the same definition or understanding of anti-realism.

    For example, if Alice and Bob are watching the sunset together and Alice falls asleep, Bob can verify "The sunset looks beautiful, while Alice cannot see the sun", but Alice cannot verify this. Furthermore, if Alice slipped into a coma and died of a drug-overdose, Bob could then assert "The sun still exists, but Alice does not".

    In other words, Bob's anti-realism about the sun and it's relationship to himself does not extend to his understanding of the sun in relation to Alice. If Bob is to understand Alice's observations about the sun as being about his sun, then he must understand her remarks in the sense of correspondences between her perceptions of his sun and his experiences of his sun. In effect, he understands Alice as being a brain in the vat that he calls his world.
  • Realism
    In my view there's nothing naive about 'naive anti-realism', so it doesn't need moderation. So-called moderate anti-realism is either a generalized form of realism in disguise, else it is a contradiction in terms.

    One is either a realist about a proposition P or one isn't. If one is an anti-realist about P, then to assert P is to know P, so an anti-realist cannot say P and ~Know P. This isn't a problem, provided the anti-realist gives an account of "false" assertions so as to eliminate the need for ~Know P, as i'll mention below.

    Firstly, suppose a mathematician says "The Goldbach conjecture P might be provable in Peano Arithmetic, but we just don't know". What he means is something like " A well-formed formula named 'P' hasn't so far been obtained as the conclusion of a proof object of PA".

    If the above example from classical logic is expressed by saying " P or ~P and ~Know P" then it should be understood that the sign "~" of logical negation indicates that "Know P" isn't a referring term because a proof-object of P doesn't presently exist. Consequently the proposition " P or ~P and ~Know P" can be deflated to "P or ~P" without loss of meaning, where "P or ~P" is trivially true as per the definition of PA. Also notice that "P or ~P" and "Know (P or ~P)" are identical propositions in referring to the axiom known as LOM.

    Likewise, to take a non-mathematical example, consider this weekend's boxing match between Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder. To assert today, on Thursday the 7th October, that "Either Fury or Wilder will win, but nobody knows for certain" is merely to say "Fury or Wilder will win", which it should be noticed is a description of todays state of affairs, and not of a hypothetical future state of affairs that doesn't presently exist. Therefore, even if this weekend's fight ends in a draw, today's assertion should be seen to remain true, in so far as it is an accurate description of todays state of affairs.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    We don't experience the same token of an "inner experience" many times. A token of an experience can be timestamped. You cannot have the same timestamped token of an experience twice. You clearly do not understand the type/token distinction if you think this. You can only have the same type of experience twice.Luke

    Doesn't your timestamp proposal amount to fitting experience to theory, rather than vice versa?

    I used to have similar thoughts when contemplating McTaggart's "Unreality of Time". The idea being to regard the terms of the A -Series (i.e. Past, present, future) as being indexicals into a B series of "time-stamps", in an attempt to deflate the A series into the B series, in order to establish the unreality of change.

    So for example, the potentially perplexing A-series observation "now is no longer now" becomes after substitution "08:53 is no longer 08:54" which is immediately seen to be nonsensical. Here a time-stamp is meant to refer to a sensation under the assumption that one's set of sensations are unique and ordered -which amounts to the assumption that the B series is phenemenologically real.

    I've since come to realise that the middle Wittgenstein had a somewhat similar but arguably better conception expressed in terms of his cinema analogy. With it he identified the A-series of consciousness with an image shown on a cinema screen, and the B-series with the ordered-frames of the movie encoded in the photographic film that was projected onto the screen.

    Unlike my proposal, Wittgenstein's proposal (to my understanding) is much weaker, in making no assumptions as to the phenomenological reality of the B series. If I understand him correctly, all that can be talked about, to use his analogy, are case-specific use-cases in which the image on the screen happens to be relatable to the frames on the film-reel. In other words, there aren't always criteria available by which to say that an experience is unique or different from another experience.
  • How would you define 'reality'?
    Q. "A cognition-invariant, involuntary resistance to ineluctable facts of the matter."

    A. What are "percepts"?
    — George Berkeley plays Jeopardy
  • How would you define 'reality'?
    A definition of realism is a contradiction in terms, for the ultimate purpose of any definition is to reduce theoretical nomenclature to observations and actions. Otherwise the definition is useless and unintelligible.
  • Realism
    If a self-described realist claims to be making a metaphysical assertion founded upon reason, and if he accepts that the tribunal of reason are his experiences, then at the very least he is describable as being a methodological solipsist, even if he believes to have obtained conclusions that aren't reducible to personal experiential verification...


    How should the claims of the realist be understood ? are realists really asserting metaphysical claims in spite of whatever they say, or are they at best making epistemological claims that every solipsist can agree with?

    I expect that a realist might play down the importance of his personal experiences, saying that he accepts as a matter of pragmatism the judgements and reports he receives by trustworthy or authoritative third-parties, assuming the they cohere with his personal understanding of the world. But then the question remains; for isn't the realist still founding his claims upon[ i]his[/i] experiences, even if such experiences are "second-hand", so to speak?

    If an exploration robot trained by machine learning, whose engineering was understood, started speaking about the it's discovery of a mind-independent reality, are there any conditions in which we would take it's claims seriously? I think definitely not. Under no circumstances would we interpret its stimulus-responses as being anything more than the result of it's internal state and present environmental interactions.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    In what senses, if any, is the following thought empirically meaningful? : "my present experience is different from my previous experience"

    Suppose that I (somehow) denote my "previous" sense-data with the label "R", and that I directly denote my present sense-data S with the label "S". Paradoxically, the condition of empirical meaningfulness entails that R, although conceived as being "previous" to the "present" experience S, is nevertheless contained within S, for otherwise "R" would not be an empirically referring term. In actuality, "R" is being used as an indexical referring what is presently being remembered as part of S.

    In other words, R and S are analogous to the concept of two adjacent ordinal numbers, say R = { 0 } and S = { { 0 } , 0 } , while their labels "R" and "S" are analogous to the corresponding numerals, i.e. "R" = 1 and "S" = 2.

    In mathematics it could be said that every finite ordinal is part of the same first limiting ordinal. Analogously it could be said that all experience, whether past , present or future, is of the same experience.

    Therefore the reason one says "my present experience" isn't to assign a quality of "being present" to the experience, but because one is using a subset of his experience as a memory, and is using "present experience" as an indexical referring to the other part.