Good has no fixed referent, but the meaning itself holds constant.Answering this question depends on a specific evaluative context. — 180 Proof
I'd say it's neither rational nor irrational. It's a question of values, which are non-rational. — T Clark
The comparison is not apt. Even if it is not explained, we understand what a theory of IBS would look like: a cascade of biological processes, in one form or another, lead to and explain the observed symptoms. This is readily conceivable.We have not yet explained irritable bowel syndrome either. I — Isaac
And as I said in the OP,
The problem with claiming that something is ineffable is, of course, the liar-paradox-like consequence that one has thereby said something about it. — Banno
Instead, the aroma of coffee is a family resemblance, a way in which we talk about a group of things that have nothing specifically in common. — Banno
Here's that mad view that we can never see things as they are in themselves, — Banno
If the scent of coffee is describable why is this impossible:
.There is a state of affairs where A's (smell-of-coffee) is the same as B's. There is a state of affairs where A's (smell-of-coffee) is same as B's (smell-of-feces), and vice versa. There exists no verbal exchange between A and B which can tell them which state of affairs holds. because 2 is inexpressible.
— hypericin — hypericin
The contention that the aroma of coffee cannot be described in words is blatantly wrong. — Banno
.There is a state of affairs where A's (smell-of-coffee) is the same as B's. There is a state of affairs where A's (smell-of-coffee) is same as B's (smell-of-feces), and vice versa. There exists no verbal exchange between A and B which can tell them which state of affairs holds. because 2 is inexpressible. — hypericin
I'm claiming that the evidence we have thus far points to such a lack of neural criteria for the collection of the various activities at 1 into the grouping of 2 that we must have learned those groups. — Isaac
No reason to have the collection 'smelling coffee' at all, other than for communication. — Isaac
I think, is that there's no one-to-one relationship between the two, such that a small and variable number of 'chemical and physiological reactions of my brain in the presence of coffee' might be described by us as "I smell coffee". There's no one set of neural goings-on which correspond to 'smelling coffee', we estimate, make up, narrate, story-tell... — Isaac
Because "about" means concerning or referencing, but doesn't mean conveying, which would mean transferring actual content. — Hanover
How is talk of leaf and branch different to talk of smell and touch? — Banno
If one of the meanings of sensory terms derives from sensation, hasn’t some language been used on it? — Mww
And if I read you correctly, it begs the question as to how conceptions, by which all objects are described, arrive at purely physical structures such as sensory devices. — Mww
To my (very limited) understanding phenomenology aspires to what the title suggests, an account of the "phenomenon of perception", of what it is like to perceive, in the abstract. Perhaps you can illustrate your point with a quote? I can't see how an abstract accounting like this can bridge the gap I described.I think Merleau-Ponty goes some way to undermine this thought — Moliere
As are feelings, and for much the same reasons. — Mww
what is it about objects that can elicit descriptive terms from sensation — Mww
"Whereof one cannot argue, thereof one must distract, insinuate, cast aspersions, baldly assert, pontificate or utilize some other deflection designed to blind oneself and/ or others from the vacuity of one's position". — Janus
"Whereof one cannot argue, thereof one must be silent." — hypericin
So what is missing? Just, and only, the riding of the bike. But that's not something it makes sense to add to the list! — Banno
I've been meaning to read Wittgenstein for the past 4 bloody years. Can you link me to his books — Agent Smith
In this respect, reflection is like relating to another through language. — Joshs
what we are communicating is something similar rather than identical to what we experience in it’s never-to-be repeated immediacy. — Joshs
I thought denazification was the reason. — RogueAI
The risk of Ukraine joining NATO was what caused the current war — Benkei
Russia sure are touchy about names. — Isaac
why they and their supporters wank on nukes so much: it's a form of porn, designed to give back a sense of power to the impotent. — Olivier5
None.
What's missing is the riding of the bike.
That was my point way back on page one. — Banno
And the same goes for "You have to learn on your own". Of course you do, since anyone else learning would not count as you learning.
But that makes "You have to learn on your own" just another grammatical point. — Banno
"knowing how to ride a bike" and "riding a bike"; we don't have two things here, one being bike riding and the other being knowing how to ride a bike. — Banno
It's only ironic when the outcome is opposite to the intention because of the intention. — Vera Mont
it’s entirely doable for someone else to twiddle ones knob satisfactorily, perhaps with instruction. — Banno
And after pages of discussion, if that's the case, then I'm thinking you don't understand your question either. — Banno
if tacit knowledge is effable, then why is it not included in the explicit instructions in the first place? — Luke
You're seriously suggesting that all the countries America have fucked over haven't even thought about America's massive nuclear arsenal when considering whether they 'let them get away with it'? — Isaac
Since the ;deadly' we'd be avoiding by concession is also war, I can't see much in it either way. at least war later can be mitigated, war now is killing people right away. — Isaac
Why not? — Isaac
But the difference is that Betty can play the guitar.
You explained exactly what that difference is, you put it in words, and hence it is not ineffable. The difference is that betty can play guitar. — Banno
There is a difference in kind between chalk and democracy, and a difference in kind between guitar instruction books and playing guitar. — Banno
The fact the 3 comes after 2 doesn't seem to prevent either from being constructed. — Isaac
Then why don't you have a go at explaining it to us. — Banno
Yep. Moreover, he seems to think that dodging the argument, or telling us to "eff off", is his argument. — Luke
Dodging the argument again. — Luke