we never see the tree itself, but only the reflected light from the tree, itself then assembled into our own image of it - our image removed in time and substance and by successive media from anything the tree itself might be. — tim wood
Defining science as the asking of well-crafted and answerable questions, which in the course of experiment are in fact answered (some way or other), with respect to, say, that tree over there, is it the Kantian position that we can know nothing about it (-in-itself-as-it-is-in-itself)? — tim wood
And we can build up quite bit of knowledge about the tree, if even only by negation (e.g., by what it isn't and where it isn't, etc.). — tim wood
The substance being not that science cannot know.... — tim wood
Kant, through logic, felt like all metaphysical inquiries were fruitless — 3017amen
he at least did acknowledge that humans have that (....) wonder...which is intrinsic a priori to the intellect. — 3017amen
science is indirectly working on totally uncovering the thing-in-itself with the Standard Model as a good beginning. — val p miranda
An appearance is not what appears; a representation is a word for appearance. — val p miranda
What appears is the thing-in-self.... — val p miranda
......but our sensibility detects macro reality. — val p miranda
Do you agree with the argument? — Aoife Jones
I asked if you would grant that morality derives from respect. — Banno
You're not behaving morally, nor immorally, if you are acting only out of obligation. — Banno
Surely you’d grant that morality derives from respect for others, not for oneself... — Banno
If there is a way to know what one should do, why is it still a question?
— Mww
The question shouldn’t exist because morality should be inherently there like thinking — SteveMinjares
The real question is "What should I do, now, in this situation?" — Banno
I maintain you also have a sense of morality — counterpunch
I maintain that (....) morality is primarily subjective — counterpunch
Robinson Crusoe cannot behave immorally, alone on a desert island — counterpunch
It's unclear what Mww is doing, especially given that he says "I agree with it" then "I don't"... — Banno
I say: There is no Law but the Law! — Ciceronianus the White
The belief that the law must conform to an "assumed standard" of some kind, and isn't the law if it does not, ignores the law; it doesn't explain it. It leads to a fundamental ignorance of the nature of the law and its operation. — Ciceronianus the White
Feelings are things. Ideas are things. Feelings and ideas are a causal part of the world, just like everything else we make statements about. — Harry Hindu
Feelings don’t matter in statements not about feelings but about things.
— Mww
...which was the point I was making about the distinction between objective and subjective statements - when you confuse talking about things that are not your feelings with talking about your feelings. When you tell me the apple is red, are you talking about the apple or your feeling? — Harry Hindu
Our feeling of reading words is about words that exist on the screen — Harry Hindu
there is a passive state of subjectivity (when thought is not active) — TheGreatArcanum
and an active state of subjectivity (when thought is active) — TheGreatArcanum
that is to say that the subject has a quasi-unconscious non-representational a priori knowledge of its potential to create change within itself through thought. — TheGreatArcanum
subject doesn't need to represent itself using propositions to know that it exists, — TheGreatArcanum
the subject, while the active state is not instantiated, is not non-existent, but existent in a state of potentiality, in which every aspect of its essence (with the exception of a few; I'm sure you can guess which ones are active and which are not) are still existent. — TheGreatArcanum
even people who disagree with my philosophy are going to love my philosophy simply because of its poeticness and its originality. — TheGreatArcanum
This leads@Mww puzzling over the mistaken metaphor as to whether the house is built on its foundations or the foundations built under the house. — Banno
how can we say that knowledge is reducible to propositional knowledge? — TheGreatArcanum
the process is contained within the essence of the subject and does not exist independently of it. — TheGreatArcanum
the logical form and process of thought and its relationship to the logical form of the mind considered in itself — TheGreatArcanum
meaning that the essence of the subject involves the formulation of thoughts; — TheGreatArcanum
the logical form and process of thought and its relationship to the logical form of the mind considered in itself — TheGreatArcanum
That is to say that the structure of the mind is logical, and can be known, logically. — TheGreatArcanum
If statements are about feelings, then what are feelings about? — Harry Hindu
Are you an anti-realist or solipsist? — Harry Hindu
allows me to infer, from particular to universal, with absolute certainty. — TheGreatArcanum
That is the category error - when a statement is asserted to be about the empircal state-of-affairs when it is really about the person's feelings or emotional state. — Harry Hindu
The fly is trapped in the bottle because it's transparent. — T H E
trapped' in the transparent bottle of Cartesian assumptions — T H E
'Prove to me I have a hand.' — T H E
It's just wheels spinning in the mud. — T H E
'Do I see a chair or a representation of a chair?' — T H E
I can't do the word-math that proves the confusion in a word-math approach. — T H E
the whole man-in-the-box problem of getting to the real world — T H E
Mentalistic man-in-the-box language is unfortunately necessary. — T H E
I don’t see why we can’t say reason depends on non-physical stuff, if only because reason is itself non-physical
— Mww
That's begging the question there. — Pfhorrest
Any time you make a statement that asserts how some state of affairs exists for all humans (....) like what perception and understanding is for all humans, you are making a objective statement. — Harry Hindu
I don't at all deny human reason, only that it depends at all on some kind of non-physical stuff. — Pfhorrest
It's better perhaps to think of Wittgenstein as doing a kind of phenomenology, which is to say call our attention to what would be obvious if it wasn't so terribly taken for granted. A certain kind of philosophy is trapped in a picture. — T H E
Isn’t there a need to distinguish kinds of determinism?
— Mww
I'm not clear what you mean here, but it sounds like you're talking about determinism in the physical world versus determinism in some kind of non-physical world that interacts with the physical world. I deny that any such non-physical world could possibly exist in the first place, but even if it did, that wouldn't solve any problems with regard to free will. — Pfhorrest
The non-physical agent would still either make the decisions it makes on the basis of prior facts (....), or else it makes its decisions without regard to the facts, at random, in which case its decisions are undetermined. — Pfhorrest