• What are you listening to right now?
    10. Rupert Holmes - Escape (The Piña Colada Song)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TazHNpt6OTo
  • What Are You Watching Right Now?
    Guardians of the Galaxy.
    Just because...
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    My best guess is Gus Lamarch wants to say that art has something to do with the Platonic world of forms - faer focus on ideals seems to suggest so.TheMadFool

    Possibly so.
    BTW, why do you use the word 'faer' ?

    Unfortunately or not, Plato had, so it's said, a very low opinion of art, it being an imitation of an imititation (the world we know being an imperfect instantiation of heaven). Sad that.TheMadFool

    [ Again, that would be another thread on what Plato actually thought and how he expressed his thoughts. So very clever. Artful, even.
    As can be seen from other TPF discussions on Plato's dialogues, there are many conflicting interpretations. See @Fooloso4's. ]
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    What is meant by an 'authentic metaphysics' ?
    — Amity

    "A field of metaphysics distinct and unique to the imaginative world of general metaphysics"
    Gus Lamarch

    Well, this just leads to more questions e.g. What is the 'imaginative world of general metaphysics' ?
    Why should your definition be more 'authentic' than that of others who study metaphysics ?
    What is it that makes it 'distinct and unique' ?

    So, when you talk of 'metaphysics' this is an, arguably, narrow and perhaps 'superior' perspective ?

    Metaphysics, regardless of the situation and context in which it is applied, completely depends on the idealization and subjective contemplation of existenceGus Lamarch

    I'm not sure that this is right. It is such a strong claim.
    However, I have only looked at the subject of 'Metaphysics' lightly. *
    There is so much to the history of theories and any practical 'applications'.
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics/#toc

    ***

    Our disagreement arises from the moment you assert that even in existence, which is a minor and more limiting field than that of metaphysics, concepts can still exist without the perception of "absoluteness", which is what makes up reality.Gus Lamarch

    Are you saying that 'existence is a minor and more limiting field than that of metaphysics' ?
    That doesn't seem right either -
    Again, about 'Concepts' - more to consider...
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concepts/#toc

    Are you saying that you need to perceive 'absoluteness' before the existence of concepts ?
    Why ?
    More questions but I think possibly enough - it would need another thread.

    ***

    Upshot is, I still don't understand what you mean by 'Authentic Metaphysics' or its application with regard to poetry.

    he appears to be using those terms to describe the commonalities of all poerty, the purpose and intent behind the "poetic enterprise". In this, Gus seems to be suggesting that the impulse behind the poetic undertaking is the elucidation of fundamental truths of the human experience of life.
    — Michael Zwingli

    :100:
    Gus Lamarch

    @Michael Zwingli seems to have a grasp. Perhaps you could both clarify by using Dickinson's poem as an example ? https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/589633
    Can you say that what impels her - is to elucidate 'fundamental truths of the human experience of life' ?
    @PoeticUniverse Your thoughts ?

    ***

    *
    Metaphysics studies questions related to what it is for something to exist and what types of existence there are. Metaphysics seeks to answer, in an abstract and fully general manner, the questions:[5]

    What is there?
    What is it like?
    Topics of metaphysical investigation include existence, objects and their properties, space and time, cause and effect, and possibility.
    SEP - Metaphysics
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry

    Thank you so much for the video clip with beautiful song to the poem.
    And link to a fascinating and informative article.

    I have a slim volume of selected poems by Emily Dickinson - Fall River Press, 2016.
    My favourite. I love everything about it. I've hardly opened it. Until now.
    To read 'Split the Lark'.

    I would never have understood this fully without reading the article.

    This part stood out as being particularly relevant to the thread:

    In other words she wants the song to be enjoyed for what it is, and that to look too far into it misses the whole point. The song is supposed to be beautiful. Yes, the song has meaning in that it calls out for a mate, but it also has its own beauty as separated from any further meaning. The song and the poem can be enjoyed just by listening to it. One doesn’t need to understand synesthesia to love how “Bulb after Bulb, in Silver rolled” sounds – it just rolls off the tongue, it’s pleasant to hear and to say. Yes, it carries a deeper meaning, but it first should be enjoyed at the most sensual level, it should speak directly to the heart before it speaks to the mind. The rainbow can just be a beautiful experience – the possibility that it also carries a more significant meaning is almost irrelevant.slowlander - split the lark and you'll find the music

    This is how I feel about poetry. First, to enjoy it for the immediate effect.
    By listening.
    Then, a second closer look, to explore further...

    ***

    The poem even mentions the lute.
    An instrument I picked up on my travels; following Plato's Symposium and Ancient Greek poetry/music. *
    How strange all the connections...

    'Saved for your ear when lutes be old'.

    :sparkle:


    *
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588297
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588322
  • Philosphical Poems
    The point of prose poetry seems to be to express thoughts and emotions as they flash through the poets mind for the first time; these when ruminated upon rationally become standard prose.TheMadFool

    Possibly.

    From the prose poetry link:
    Blending the techniques of prose with the emotion and lyricism of poetry, the best prose poems uncover subconscious thought with searing originality.

    I was thinking about how haikus are composed.
    If they are to capture a moment in time and still must follow certain 'rules'...
    I suppose it's like taking a snapshot ? It has to be almost instantaneous, or does it ?

    Or is it more like - capturing a moment in the mind and then 'painting' it afterwards from memory.
    A landscape artist who can't paint en plein air might use a photograph of the scene.
    But that wouldn't quite have the same 'feel' to it, would it ?

    I wonder if the rules become second nature - like our grammar rules, or driving a car - so that some haiku poets don't even have to remember to shift gear, they just do it automatically?

    Hmm...
  • Philosphical Poems
    How strange - a link to music ?
    John Cage (1912-1992)
    "I have nothing to say, I am saying it, and that is poetry."

    There are no secrets.
    It's just we thought that they said dead
    When they said bread

    https://terebess.hu/english/haiku/cage.html

    Can anyone - possibly a musician/poet @Noble Dust explain how this is like haiku ?
    John Cage - Seven Haiku
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn6aQDFJabk
  • Philosphical Poems

    sorry if it doesnt fit the pattern. I translated it to English by myselfjavi2541997
    Thanks for all of this :sparkle:

    Translations of Santoka and others, here:

    Collected Haiku of Taneda Santōka translated into English, French, German, Spanish
    organized by Romaji, in alphabetical order
    terebess - haiku - taneda

    https://terebess.hu/english/haiku/taneda.html

    There's so much here, it's incredible. Need to keep scrolling, scrolling...

    ***
    :fire:
    Haiku in Western languages:
    https://terebess.hu/english/haiku/haiku.html
  • Philosphical Poems
    now then, let's go out / to enjoy the snow ... until / I slip and fall!
    — Wiki: Basho

    :up: I don't know how that sounds in Japanese but it's actually prose in English: "Now then, let's go out to enjoy the snow...until I slip and fall."

    Has something been lost in translation? I dunno
    TheMadFool

    Hmm. If you run any lines in a poem together does it become prose ? Suppose so.
    I think that might diminish the effect of the breaks and paying attention to each line and how they fit with each other, or not.

    One of the objectives of poetry, as Taneda Santoka explained back in the day, is freezing a particular moment in our life: the sunset, night, moon, nostalgia, parents, etc... Probably this is what we can consider as rhythm.javi2541997

    Yes, exactly this. A moment in time.

    Numinous,
    Back then it was,
    Now,
    Like a spent candle,
    Nothing!
    TheMadFool

    I like that!

    Back to prose and poetry. Have you thought of a prose poem ?

    Blending the techniques of prose with the emotion and lyricism of poetry, the best prose poems uncover subconscious thought with searing originality. Poets looking to break free from form, and prose writers seeking new means of expression, will absolutely find creative freedom in prose poetry.

    So, what is a prose poem? What differentiates the genre from the lyric essay? And why might you write prose poetry?
    writers - prose poetry definition

    There was a connection there between the poem, the poet, and me but it's lost now. Too bad, I wish I could go back about 30 years ago and re-read the poem and re-experience those emotions again.TheMadFool

    Yeah, I know that feeling. It's like when you re-read a book. However, down the line a bit we can still experience emotions, even if they might be different and unexpected...
  • Philosphical Poems
    Interesting to consider if the form or structure of haiku is changed is it still 'haiku'.Amity

    From wiki:
    Similar poems that do not adhere to these rules are generally classified as senryū.

    Haiku:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku
  • Philosphical Poems
    Plastic bag pigeons
    Billow slowly overhead
    The soft city groans
    Noble Dust

    This is a poem :up:
  • Philosphical Poems


    Interesting to consider if the form or structure of haiku is changed is it still 'haiku'.
    I think not. The changes detract from the discipline. Free-verse haiku ?!

    The following poem is a typical example of Santōka's work:
    What, even my straw hat has started leaking

    笠も漏り出したか

    kasa mo moridashita ka

    This poem exhibits two major features of free verse haiku:

    It is a single utterance that cannot be subdivided into a 5-7-5 syllable structure, and
    It does not contain a season word.
    The poem does, however, hint at a natural phenomenon — rain — by referring to the straw hat and to the fact that it is leaking.
    Wiki: Taneda

    What is a poem ? A single utterance ?!
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law


    Re: the domino effect of violence and lies; the wrecking ball of Trump's Big Lie.
    The name Cawthorn keeps coming up.

    As a follow-up and because I don't want to add to this thread or start another one:
    I posted something in the 'Shoutbox'.
    'Wake up, America !' - another Guardian article.
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/589458
  • Philosphical Poems


    I enjoy this kind of poetry. Haiku or hokku.

    As to its meaning, hmm...
    A mystery.
    I like being called in to him in the first line.

    Who wants or needs to buy a hat - when - why ?
    In winter to shield from the cold.
    In summer to shield from the sun.

    You might be glad of a hat full of snow in summer to cool off. But where would you find snow in summer ?

    At home in Edo, Bashō sometimes became reclusive: he alternated between rejecting visitors to his hut and appreciating their company.[32] At the same time, he enjoyed his life and had a subtle sense of humor, as reflected in his hokku:

    いざさらば雪見にころぶ所迄 iza saraba / yukimi ni korobu / tokoromade
       now then, let's go out / to enjoy the snow ... until / I slip and fall! [1688]
    Wiki: Basho

    :cool:
  • Virtue ethics as a subfield of ethics
    Stop sharing my crib notes.Banno

    Hah. To share is to care :razz:
  • Virtue ethics as a subfield of ethics
    The core of ethics is what will I do now.Banno

    In a particular situation where it matters to take or make the 'right' decision, given the circumstances.
    By developing 'virtuous' habits, it can help us make the best possible choice when confronted with an ethical problem.

    We can consider what might be thought of as 'virtuous'. Some might see a 'virtuous' action as 'vicious'.
    Having a set of values, even if not agreed on by others, affects our decisions in how we lead our lives.
    For better or worse...
    Nothing is guaranteed.

    Perhaps what you do is who you are; in which case asking what you ought do is exactly asking who you should be.Banno

    I think so :sparkle:
  • Virtue ethics as a subfield of ethics
    Most people consider virtue ethics as an ethical system.Hello Human

    Virtue ethics
    Virtue ethics is currently one of three major approaches in normative ethics. It may, initially, be identified as the one that emphasizes the virtues, or moral character, in contrast to the approach that emphasizes duties or rules (deontology) or that emphasizes the consequences of actions (consequentialism)...

    This is not to say that only virtue ethicists attend to virtues, any more than it is to say that only consequentialists attend to consequences or only deontologists to rules. Each of the above-mentioned approaches can make room for virtues, consequences, and rules. Indeed, any plausible normative ethical theory will have something to say about all three. What distinguishes virtue ethics from consequentialism or deontology is the centrality of virtue within the theory (Watson 1990; Kawall 2009).
    SEP - Virtue ethics

    More to read in the SEP article about 2 central concepts: virtue and practical wisdom.
    Features that distinguish different VE theories from one another.
    Objections and Responses. Directions of future research...

    ***

    Using a film as an example:

    To illustrate the difference among three key moral philosophies, ethicists Mark White and Robert Arp refer to the film The Dark Knight where Batman has the opportunity to kill the Joker. Utilitarians, White and Arp suggest, would endorse killing the Joker. By taking this one life, Batman could save multitudes. Deontologists, on the other hand, would reject killing the Joker simply because it’s wrong to kill. But a virtue ethicist “would highlight the character of the person who kills the Joker. Does Batman want to be the kind of person who takes his enemies’ lives?” No, in fact, he doesn’t.Ethics unwrapped - glossary - virtue ethics
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law

    Already erudited :smile:

    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/588934

    But you said it simpler.
    Easier to see and click :100: :sparkle:
  • Deep Songs
    For later:
    Zucchero Full album - Zucchero greatest hits 2021 - Zucchero best songs

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=njCPIDlRQw4
  • Deep Songs
    Zucchero - Blu (Live Acoustic) - Arena di Verona
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YZYld0MY

    English version:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gWiZK3xhrJU
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    From:
    https://www.livescience.com/65501-fetal-heartbeat-at-6-weeks-explained.html

    So far this year, 11 states have enacted 90 laws meant to restrict abortion — the most in a single year since the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling... 

    But what exactly do we mean when we talk about a "fetal heartbeat" at six weeks of pregnancy? Although some people might picture a heart-shaped organ beating inside a fetus, this is not the case.

    Rather, at six weeks of pregnancy, an ultrasound can detect "a little flutter in the area that will become the future heart of the baby," said Dr. Saima Aftab, medical director of the Fetal Care Center at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami. This flutter happens because the group of cells that will become the future "pacemaker" of the heart gain the capacity to fire electrical signals, she said.
    Livescience - fetal heartbeat explained
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    Well-heeled and influential fanatics, convinced of the righteousness of their cause, will always find venal politicians who will do their bidding--whatever it may be--in return for their support.Ciceronianus

    Yes.This much I know.
    I want to know more details about this particular 'legal' process but I guess I can look elsewhere.

    In the meantime:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/03/republicans-texas-abortion-right-democracy


    The Texas abortion law that the rightwing supreme court just smiled upon, despite its violation of precedent, seethes with both violence and lies. The very language of the law is a lie, a familiar one in which six-week embryos are called fetuses and a heartbeat is attributed to the cluster of cells that is not yet a heart not yet powering a circulatory system.

    Behind it are other lies, in which women have abortions because they are reckless, wanton and callous, rather than, in the great number of cases, because of the failure of birth control, or coercive sex, or medical problems, including threats to the health of the mother or a non-viable pregnancy, and financial problems, including responsibility for existing children...

    It will lead women – particularly the undocumented, poor, the young, those under the thumbs of abusive spouses or families – to die of life-threatening pregnancies or illicit abortions or suicide out of despair. A vigilante who goes after a woman is willing to see her die.
    ...

    What was the 6 January coup attempt but this practice writ large?

    ...Madison Cawthorn, the North Carolina freshman congressman who appeared onstage on 6 January to whip up the crowd, calls the rioters “political prisoners” and continues to lie about the outcome of the 2020 election, declaring: “If our election systems continue to be rigged, continue to be stolen, it’s going to lead to one place and that’s bloodshed.”

    Cawthorne, like the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz, like Justices Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh, whose votes set the Texas abortion law into action on Wednesday, has been accused of sexual misconduct.
    ...

    If the US defends its democracy, such as it is, and protects the voting rights of all eligible adults, the right will continue to be a shrinking minority.
    Republicans seethe with violence and lies. Texas is part of a bigger war they’re waging

    Final paragraph: A big 'If...'
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry

    Thanks for this; really appreciate it.
    So much to be getting on with. This whole thread is thought-provoking.
    I need time to read and digest.
    In amongst all the other stuff that is filling my days/mind.
    Dazed mind :scream:

    Talk later :sparkle:

    --------
    Still waiting for @Gus Lamarch to respond to earlier posts and questions.
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    Maybe you can explain to us what you yelling at Hanover from the other side of the world does to help the women of Texas.Srap Tasmaner

    But it's not just the two of them at each other across the divide, is it ?
    This heated argument divides others as per extremism.
    It continues the distraction from the core problem.
    As I see it, the setting of a worrying legal precedent.
    Eyes are taken off the ball.
    Attention needs to be paid as per @Ciceronianus''s concerns.

    I think it should be characterized as craven by anyone, regardless of their feelings on abortion. And, given the composition of the court, that such decisions are likely to be repeated whenever a law that is constitutionally questionable but politically or socially agreeable to the Justices is before them.Ciceronianus
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    But this law can fairly be characterized as a grotesque parody of such laws, cynically adopted to grant standing to sue where it normally wouldn't exist, imposing a statutory minimum for damages to be awarded (more a fine or forfeiture than actual damages, which would have to be proved), and hamstringing the possibility of a defense if not precluding one ab initio.

    There's something loathsome about this law; something disturbing about its contrivance.
    Ciceronianus

    Agreed. Loathsome and disturbing but how was it contrived, allowed to pass - what was the process ?

    Kristin Ford, acting vice-president of communications and research at the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (Naral) Pro-Choice America advocacy group, condemned the way the six states scrambled to consider the legislation with such urgency after the Texas law went into effect...

    Ford said this was a product of increasingly radicalized rightwing rhetoric.
    The Guardian - Republicans in 6 states rush to imitate

    So, where is the counter-balance ?
    The domino effect happening...at speed.

    Within a day of the law going into effect, six other states – North Dakota, Mississippi, Indiana, Florida, South Dakota and Arkansas – have said they are looking to adopt a similar ban, according to numerous reports.

    An Arkansas abortion rights advocate told the Guardian on Friday she was prepared to fight such a law if it were to happen in the state.

    “Legislation that mirrors Texas’s new law will harm pregnant Arkansans in need of abortions and we will not stand for it,” said Ali Taylor, co-founder and president of the Arkansas Abortion Support Network. “The fight is far from over.”

    She added that if such legislation were to be passed, her organization would continue providing access to legal abortion for their clients.

    “This will include helping people access abortion in Arkansas before six weeks and helping people go out of state when they are past the [legislative] gestation limit,” she said. “We will not be intimidated.”
    ...
    — As above

    Good to see some fight back. But serious work needs to be done to address the system, doesn't it ?
    See Criticism of the Supreme Court
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Criticism

    Just one example:
    Lifetime tenure
    Critic Larry Sabato wrote: "The insularity of lifetime tenure, combined with the appointments of relatively young attorneys who give long service on the bench, produces senior judges representing the views of past generations better than views of the current day." Sanford Levinson has been critical of justices who stayed in office despite medical deterioration based on longevity. James MacGregor Burns stated lifelong tenure has "produced a critical time lag, with the Supreme Court institutionally almost always behind the times." Proposals to solve these problems include term limits for justices, as proposed by Levinson and Sabato as well as a mandatory retirement age proposed by Richard Epstein
    Wiki - the Supreme Court of the US
  • What are you listening to right now?

    Double Fantasy, 1980
    John Lennon, d.1980
    180 Proof

    Oh my, how sad :broken:

    This is a track from Double Fantasy, Lennon's final album during his lifetime, released only three weeks before his murder. The song resulted from John's inability to get Yoko on the phone at a time when he feared for their relationship.Songfacts

    At 3.33. the 'Don't want to lose you now' sent shivers...

    The Beatles - Something
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UelDrZ1aFeY

    Something in the way she moves
    Attracts me like no other lover
    Something in the way she woos me

    I don't want to leave her now
    You know I believe and how

    Somewhere in her smile she knows
    That I don't need no other lover
    Something in her style that shows me

    Don't want to leave her now
    You know I believe and how

    You're asking me will my love grow
    I don't know, I don't know

    You stick around, now it may show
    I don't know, I don't know

    Something in the way she knows
    And all I have to do is think of her
    Something in the things she shows me

    I don't want to leave her now
    You know I believe and how
  • Philosophical Aphorisms, Quotes and Links et al

    Dance Wherever You May Be, even if not a Shaker :party:

    A movement from Aaaron Copland's Apalachian Spring based upon the Shaker hymn The Lord of the Dance provides the mood for the bird video.

    Dance, dance, wherever you may be!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sch4eqwizQU
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    More from the Guardian:

    Many states have enacted similar laws, which have been blocked. But this one is especially egregious.

    It has used the architecture of the state to promote the rule of the mob. It prohibits officials from enforcing it, instead deputising ordinary citizens to sue anyone for suspected violations. While designed this way to make legal challenges harder, it is part of the broader turn of Trump Republicans towards vigilantism and away from democratic institutions. By promising a $10,000 bounty to anyone who sues successfully, it encourages the greedy as well as vindictive ex-partners and zealots to act...

    This law, like the wider anti-abortion drive, hurts women’s freedom, their health and even their lives.

    It has been achieved through the relentless efforts of activists who are not merely egging on but also funding others around the world.

    Meeting and defeating these challenges will require an equally committed, comprehensive and ambitious campaign. The opponents of women’s freedom will not stop. Defenders cannot either. This law will galvanise them.
    — The Guardian

    Vigilantism. Away from democracy.
    How to stop a world-wide wrecking ball ?
    This law might galvanise some. However, it's not just about women's freedom.
    The domino effect is scary in its speed to topple rights not just in America.

    ***

    In the UK, after the Supreme Court decided that the prorogation of Parliament was unlawful * , the Tories sought revenge and change. Not sure the current state of play but I seem to recall the desire was to follow the American model.

    ( * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_British_prorogation_controversy )

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/nov/15/supreme-court-plans-an-attack-on-independent-judicary-says-labour

    The story said Tory peers had warned about the dangers of “judicial activism”, and the justice secretary, Robert Buckland QC, was believed to be drawing up plans for reform.

    In response, David Lammy, the shadow justice secretary, said: “The Conservative government is determined to do all it can to take power away from the courts and hoard it in No 10. This is an attack not only on judges but on the British public, who rely on an independent judiciary to uphold the law. We cannot trust this chronically incompetent government with any more power than it already has.”
    The Guardian

    The mindset, models and methods of Republicans and Tories - seem to be overpowering and gaining momentum.

    This is just the start.
    Voter suppression. The stilling of voices. Will it work again ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/04/millions-in-uk-face-disenfranchisement-under-voter-id-plans
  • Philosophical Aphorisms, Quotes and Links et al

    Can you dance at the same time ? :wink:

    Zorbas Dance (Sirtaki) - Greek wedding Volos - ΦΕΡΑΙ PALACE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_kele6tedo

    ***

    Start off on your own - others might join in. Or not. Just do it for fun :cool:
    Pre-Covid days.
    Bristol Zorba the Greek - Flash Mob Dance - Bristol March 2014
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByc0K1wHes
  • Philosophical Aphorisms, Quotes and Links et al

    Thanks for the reminder. Second time around, another poke with a stick to read that guy...

    Your quote from Nietzsche:
    Dancing in all its forms cannot be excluded from the curriculum of all noble education; dancing with the feet, with ideas, with words, and, need I add that one must also be able to dance with the pen?

    Let's dance :party:
    David Bowie
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD_kBJc_gI

    Perhaps warm up first:
    Fred Astaire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qsnf5pTl1Y

    Back twinges and mental fixations to be sorted out :smile:
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    That's the scary bit - the composition of the Supreme Court. Who the hell knows what's coming next - and what can be done about it ? Absolutely nothing ?Amity

    To stick with the Wild West theme, you can always shoot a few judges while there's a democratic majority.Benkei

    Here's a quick shoot-out 21st Century solution.

    TikTokers flood Texas abortion whistleblower site with Shrek memes, fake reports and porn
    Critics of Texas’ new law have been filing hundreds of fake reports to the whistleblowing website in hopes of crashing it.

    ...The coordinated effort echoes a movement in June 2020 to flood a Donald Trump rally with fake sign-ups, resulting in an empty stadium for the actual event.

    An activist who goes by the name Sean Black said he programmed a script to submit reports en masse on the website automatically.
    Guardian article: abortion whistleblower website flooded

    All very well. But that kind of action can work both ways. And there are probable work-arounds.

    Where is the coordination between appalled people on the ground, political/legal activism and good journalism to block this ? What is Biden doing ?

    This reminds me so much of how Trump got into power in the first place.
    The sense that the wrecking ball is swinging and nothing can stop it...
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    This seems to be relevant. Only skimmed over but eyes opened a bit wide.
    Too tired to pick out nuggets and comment. Perhaps others who are more awake...

    Abstract
    In order to better understand the worth of aesthetic experience in encountering poetry, fresh perspectives are helpful. This paper introduces the reader to modern stylistics: that is linguistic examinations of the 'speaker's meaning' in literature and notes such 'scientific' approaches to poetry do find common metaphysical ground with leading cultural figures such as theatre director Peter Brook, philosopher critic Martha C. Nussbaum and poet critic Seamus Heaney.
    Stylistics and the Metaphysics of Poetry

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235918964_Stylistics_and_the_Metaphysics_of_Poetry
  • The Supremes and the New Texas Abortion Law
    ...allowing a law about which there are serious constitutional questions to be enforced--not merely by the state, but by anyone who is inclined to act as a private attorney general or D.A. Who can doubt that such people exist and are ready to act, especially in these dark times?Ciceronianus

    This is unbelievable but yes, I don't doubt for one minute that 'such people exist'.
    I've been reading about it in the Guardian:
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/02/us-supreme-court-refuses-to-block-radical-texas-abortion-law

    Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Stephen Breyer, Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Justice Elena Kagan dissented.

    In her dissent, Sotomayor wrote that the law is “a breathtaking act of defiance – of the constitution, of this court’s precedents and of rights of women seeking abortions throughout Texas”.

    “Presented with an application to enjoin a flagrantly unconstitutional law engineered to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny, a majority of Justices have opted to bury their heads in the sand,” she wrote...

    ...The structure of the law, which allows private citizens to bring civil lawsuits in state court against anyone involved in an abortion, has alarmed both abortion providers, who said they feel like they now have prices on their heads, and legal experts who said citizen enforcement could have broad repercussions if it was used across the United States to address other contentious social issues.

    “It is a little bit like the wild west,” said Harold Krent, a professor at Chicago-Kent College of Law. He called it a throwback to early US history when it was common to have privately enforced laws at a time when the government was limited and there was little organized law enforcement.

    “It is unbelievable that Texas politicians have gotten away with this devastating and cruel law that will harm so many.”

    Joe Biden condemned the new law on Wednesday and reaffirmed the White House’s support for abortion rights.

    “We are all going to comply with the law even though it is unethical, inhumane, and unjust,” Dr Ghazaleh Moayedi, a Texas OB-GYN who provides abortions, said. “It threatens my livelihood and I fully expect to be sued. But my biggest fear is making sure the most vulnerable in my community, the Black and Latinx patients I see, who are already most at risk from logistical and financial barriers, get the care they need.”

    ...given the composition of the court, that such decisions are likely to be repeated whenever a law that is constitutionally questionable but politically or socially agreeable to the Justices is before them.Ciceronianus

    Yes - see my added bolds in excerpt. That's the scary bit - the composition of the Supreme Court. Who the hell knows what's coming next - and what can be done about it ? Absolutely nothing ?
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    I am assuming that by Gus' use of the term "metaphysics" he means the search for first principles/fundamental truths (ens in quantum ens).Michael Zwingli

    Ah, OK.
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metaphysics

    But that isn't what 'the impulse behind the poetic undertaking' - in general - is all about, is it ?
    It's not necessarily related to a study of. or a search for. a supersensual realm or of phenomena which transcend the physical world.

    However, it might be and I think I might be making progress.
    Again, from wiki.
    'supersensual '(comparative more supersensual, superlative most supersensual)

    1.Beyond the range of what is perceptible by the senses; not belonging to the experienceable physical world.
    Heaven is a supersensual realm.

    2. Provoking or exciting an extremely strong response in the senses; sensual.

    ***

    So, looking at these quotes:

    Core explicit concept = I am that which brings me joy and sorrow
    Core implicit concept = I am that which brings me joy and sorrow as I am a servant of God
    Substance = Faith
    Gus Lamarch

    Core explicit concept = I am the heir of holy glories long past
    Core implicit concept = I am the heir of holy glories long past as I am the heir of my own glories
    Substance = Heredity/Glory
    Gus Lamarch

    Realize that even mystical Sufi poetry is sometimes incapable of sufficiently deconstructing the meaning of poetry so that its metaphysical essence is fully understood -Gus Lamarch

    So, poetry itself is supposed to be able to deconstruct its meaning to enable an understanding of its 'metaphysical essence' ? Or a 'substance' such as 'Faith' or 'Heredity/Glory' ?
    What is 'substantial', in 'metaphysical essence', about 'Faith' and how can it be said that:

    Poetry comprises only an authentic metaphysics, from the moment on that its analysis is done in such a way that the linguistic poetic basis is also its development and conclusionGus Lamarch

    What on earth does this mean ? :chin:
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    In this, Gus seems to be suggesting that the impulse behind the poetic undertaking is the elucidation of fundamental truths of the human experience of life.Michael Zwingli

    I didn't see this before.
    Perhaps that is the case.
    However, it seems too technical and theoretical re 'fundamental truths'.
    It is a bit more or less than that, I think...

    Are you still editing your post ? I think I'll leave it there...
    Until @Gus Lamarch responds.
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    what I mean by that, is that the OP is not restricting the term "metaphysics"/"metaphysical" to a school or period of English poetry, as Sam Johnson didMichael Zwingli

    Ah. I see you edited your original post to include the word 'poetic' so that now makes sense.

    ...terms to describe the commonalities of all poerty, the purpose and intent behind the "poetic enterprise"Michael Zwingli

    Well, what else would be behind the 'poetic enterprise' but purpose and intent of the poet ?
    Expressing a message relating to the human condition - both subjective and objective. A personal view and expression of what is perceived. And sharing that view, that sense, with others.

    "Poetry comprises only an authentic metaphysics, from the moment on that its analysis is done in such a way that the linguistic poetic basis is also its development and conclusion."

    Therefore, poetic metaphysics is something that can only be conceived through the incomplete visualization - not absolute but subjective - of concepts.
    Gus Lamarch

    I doubt whether poetry has ever been about an 'absolute' visualisation.
    What is meant by an 'authentic metaphysics' ?
  • The Metaphysics of Poetry
    yeah, I think that Gus is using the term "metaphysics" in a differing sense than that applied to the historical phenomenon.Michael Zwingli

    How so ? And do you understand the OP's Conclusion ?