Watching and listening.
Old Movie Stars Dance to Uptown Funk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

Nerd Fest UK:

My inspiration came from What's the Mashup? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmnSm...) but I didn't manage 100! The idea was to do the same for movies from the Golden Age – meaning no title later than 1953 (although there is one at the end.) Oh, and none of these clips was sped up or slowed down.

Turn on subtitles to find out the film names.

19 year old British guitarist Alexandra Whittingham plays Leo Brouwer's Un Dia de Noviembre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDCjm9nofCM

So peaceful after the passionate Italian :sparkle:

Makes me wanna go look for the best Italian at fingering.
Combining loves :hearts: — Amity

Found someone. Seems quite popular :cool:

Francesco Sarcina - Battiti Live 2015 - Manfredonia (14:44)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0uPhw0msqA

I had a guitar once, didn't everyone ?
I got stuck at the tuning.
Can only admire and be turned on by musicians music-ing...

Strumming, sexily seductive with or without singing.
Makes me wanna go look for the best Italian at fingering.
Combining loves :hearts:

Yay :up:

And the other language is apparently Hindi.
More here:

https://shreevatsa.net/post/megh/

:fire: :100: :sparkle:

'Here Comes The Sun' - the video, at about 8secs, shows the page George scribbled the lyrics on. Not included above the title is a quote in English, then another language I can't make out. This is on p145 of George's book 'I - Me - Mine'.
I'll look again tomorrow...
(The previous page tells the story behind the writing of the song).

Thanks :hearts:

OMG, we're on another George Harrison roll :starstruck:
Brilliant :flower:

Thanks to @Banno for the jump-start with the Covid article.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/571316

See what you gone and done... :love:

Excellent read and so to the point, loved it :sparkle:
Didn't hurt to have George Harrison starting and finishing it. Stan Grant :cool:

'Isn't It A Pity' - George Harrison
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIbVWNy7HBk

'All Things Must Pass' - George Harrison
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWV4pFV5nX4

Sunrise doesn't last all morning
A cloudburst doesn't last all day
Seems my love is up
And has left you with no warning
But it's not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

Sunset doesn't last all evening
A mind can blow those clouds away
After all this my love is up
And must be leaving
But it's not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away

All things must pass
None of life's strings can last
So I must be on my way
And face another day

Now the darkness only stays at night time
In the morning it will fade away
Daylight is good
At arriving at the right time
But it's not always going
To be this grey

All things must pass
All things must pass away
All things must pass
All things must pass away

Source: LyricFind

Songwriters: George Harrison

All Things Must Pass lyrics © Concord Music Publishing LLC

'Blow Away' - George Harrison
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nNetfJQ9HAs

Day turned black, sky ripped apart
Rained for a year 'til it dampened my heart
Cracks and leaks
The floorboards caught rot
About to go down
I had almost forgot

All I got to do is to love you
All I got to be is, be happy
All it's got to take is some warmth to make it
Blow Away, Blow Away, Blow Away

Sky cleared up, day turned to bright
Closing both eyes now the head filled with light
Hard to remember what a state I was in
Instant amnesia
Yang to the Yin

All I got to do is to love you
All I got to be is, be happy
All it's got to take is some warmth to make it
Blow Away, Blow Away, Blow Away

Wind blew in, cloud was dispersed
Rainbows appearing, the pressures were burst
Breezes a-singing, now feeling good
The moment had passed
Like I knew that it should

All I got to do is to love you
All I got to be is, be happy
All it's got to take is some warmth to make it
Blow Away, Blow Away, Blow Away

Source: LyricFind

Songwriters: George Harrison

Blow Away lyrics © Concord Music Publishing LLC

Thoughtful and informative OP :sparkle:

I can identify stoicism as a way of living that has most influenced my life. In essence, discerning what is under one's control or not is of supreme importance for one's psychological barometer, as I have a tendency to monitor — Shawn

Yes, we have discussed this before, a long time ago, and the problems you had with it.
It would seem to be among the most practical philosophy out there.

The checking of our assumptions about our selves and other people, how we react and interact.
Of course, they are cognitive ( objective) - but also about feelings (subjective).

I like your idea of monitoring our psychological barometer...we can talk about swings in the weather from good to bad and in-between, even in the same day. Not just the personal but political.
If we can use a philosophical or any clear thinking process so as to know ourselves, the world better, then the hope is that can lead to improved wellbeing.

Some people can be more aware of a coming change in the weather than others - via experience or intuition. Reading a variety of news sources. No great philosophical theories required.
Just think and feel...and share, like we do on here. I suppose...care is the core.

I can only go by what I do which is muddle through. If I had anything to guide me it is the Golden Rule - a version of which has been conceived by just about every religious and ethical system — Tom Storm

I think you do more than 'muddle through'. Your work alone requires more than that:

...30 years of working in the area of addiction and mental health services. A key responsibility for sustaining any worker who is supporting people in crisis - suicidal ideation, sexual abuse, substance misuse, psychosis- is reflective practice. The worker who doesn't examine their own assumptions about themselves (their understanding of meaning and culture for instance) while they assist others may (amongst other problematic end results) succumb to burn out...
In short; examining yourself - being aware of the systems you and the person you are supporting are in, and the beliefs that underpin your choices and actions - is just as beneficial to others as it is to yourself. — Tom Storm

You also mentioned 'Narrative Therapy' elsewhere.

More than 'muddling through', you are informed by theory, reading, reflection and practice, no ?

Live eviL — 180 Proof

You're Pure Evil, so you are ! :naughty:
Like a Storm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5P6Tk2yNE

Wipe that smile off your face
You immaculate disgrace
'Cause heaven knows
A prayer won't save you now

You wear the halo of a saint
To hide the venom of a snake
Built your kingdom on a lie
So watch it all come crashing down
(Now)

You prophet of hate
You profit from faith
Truth-less, two-faced, two bit
Fuckin' hypocrite

How does it feel?
How does it feel?
The day has come
To pay for what you've done
Sinner revealed
Tell me how does it feel?
So pure within your soul
Pure evil

If your blackened heart believes
In the righteous words you speak
You know heaven will send hell for you
And bring you to your knees

You prophet of hate
You profit from faith
Truth-less, two-faced, two bit
Fuckin' hypocrite

How does it feel?
How does it feel?
The day has come
To pay for what you've done
Sinner revealed
Tell me how does it feel?
So pure within your soul
Pure evil

Pray to your god
Pray for your soul
Pray as your throne burns slowly now
Pray to your god
Pray for your soul
Pray as your throne burns slowly now
(Pray to your god
Pray for your soul
Pray as your throne burns slowly)
Now

How does it feel?
How does it feel?
The day has come
To pay for what you've done
Sinner revealed
Tell me how does it feel?
Truthless, two-faced, two bit
Fuckin' hypocrite
How does it feel?
Tell me how does it feel?
So pure within your soul
Pure evil

The day has come
To pay for what you've done
The day has come
To pay for what you've done
Pay for what you've done
Pay for what you've done
Pay for what you've done
What you've done, what you've done

Songwriters: Kent Brooks, Matt Brooks, Chris Brooks
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: Musixmatch

That is precisely the value of Pomo to me: to make scientists (and others) better aware of the permanent presence of cultural a priori and biases in their own mind, as unsaid, unarticulated présuppositions, as these permeates their work more that they sometime should. Hence I am also totally in favour of diversity at school, work and politics, including in my own work. — Olivier5

I am reading this thread for the first time. I admit to never understanding or concerning myself with postmodernism.

Perhaps I have absorbed the 'era' without even realising it, or giving it a label.
As to the values listed here, they can't all have been the consequence of Pomo alone, could they ?

'All About That Bass' - Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk

On the contrary, your red lumpy legs indicate that mosquitoes like you quite a lot. — Olivier5

It's all about the blood, the blood, baby. :wink:
No 2 of 7 reasons why mosquitoes love you.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/reason-mosquitoes-bite-some-people-more-others-4858811

Nothing about attacks on post-modernists ?
Unless they are hot, sweaty, heavy-breathing beer drinkers with lively skin.
Or are pregnant :scream:

Thanks, Possibility, that is indeed the story I was thinking of. I didn't know it was from the Huainanzi.
Sorry for not @-ing you.
I should have known that you would know, given our previous and worthwhile discussions :100: — Amity

I note you had to google it, just like what I coulda done :wink:

It's all coming back to me now. I could also have included @Valentinus or @T Clark - the discussion I had in mind was his:

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/10427/my-favorite-verses-in-the-tao-te-ching/p1
TC's focus was firmly on the TTC but at some point related 'stories' were introduced.

For example: 'Cook Ding Cuts Up An Ox'
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/511470

Not so much about evil but more about:

some people may have bigger shadows than others, or more particular obstacles in their life journeys than others. — Jack Cummins

How to navigate the obstacles along the path, the way.
A useful sub-discussion with @Valentinus about the story and its meaning.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/512233

We can see how this might relate to our navigating the real world.
It isn't about some knowledge of a spiritual force, available only to the few.
We have to make our way through events as they arise.
There is no time to consult a manual, map or master.

The question is how do we prepare ourselves for any tough bits ?
We can't always.
However, if we have internalised, experienced or practised a set of basic principles or morals, a way of looking at the world, then we might arrive at the best possible solution. — Amity

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/512273

I have some familiarity with Taoism, but have not, at this stage, read as deeply on this tradition as I would like to. — Jack Cummins

Yes, I remember you showed an interest back then. As did I. But other things take over.
I'm glad to be reminded of it. A worthwhile challenge at the time...another perspective...

What 'evil' is within ourselves ? — Amity

I think that we have destructive tendencies, to self and others — Jack Cummins

Is this what you consider 'evil' ?
It is a natural feature of who we are, isn't it ? As well as its opposite. We create, destroy, recreate...
It is recognised as such - and if it becomes troublesome then it can be addressed.
Thinking of it as 'evil' is part of the problem.

Of course, some people may have bigger shadows than others, or more particular obstacles in their life journeys than others. — Jack Cummins

Clearly.

It is how the word 'evil' is used to judge others in e.g. 'the axis of evil', that can lead to atrocities.
That is the problem.

The phrase "axis of evil" was first used by U.S. President George W. Bush in his State of the Union address on January 29, 2002, less than five months after the 9/11 attacks, and often repeated throughout his presidency, to describe foreign governments that, during his administration, allegedly sponsored terrorism and sought weapons of mass destruction. The notion of such an axis was used to pinpoint these common enemies of the United States and to rally the American populace in support of the War on Terror. The countries covered by the term were Iran, Former Ba'athist Iraq, and North Korea. In response, Iran formed a political alliance that it called the "Axis of Resistance" comprising Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. — Wiki - Axis of Evil

Maybe. — Ying

You got it :smile:

No wonder it didn't ring a bell. It's not one of the texts I'm familiar with. — Ying

Ah well, now you know :wink:
A story about life philosophy, and attitudes towards any perceived 'evils' or sufferings.
I think a good one, don't you ?

The story of the Taoist farmer I think you’re referring to is from the Huainanzi. — Possibility

Thanks, Possibility, that is indeed the story I was thinking of. I didn't know it was from the Huainanzi.
Sorry for not @-ing you.
I should have known that you would know, given our previous and worthwhile discussions :100:

I definitely believe that we need to face up to evil within ourselves, — Jack Cummins

What 'evil' is within ourselves ?

There are many stories in the main texts of daoism. Not sure which one you're talking about. Do you happen to have some more clues? — Ying

About a farmer ?

I am replying to you because you enquired about the meaning of my battery running out in Wimbledon and also know that my mother is ill. Apart from being out in Wimbledon, as the womble of this site, and having to wait until I get home until I can charge up my phone, I think that my psychological batteries had probably run out too. — Jack Cummins

To backtrack a little for clarification.
Here is my critical post re you mentioning the 'relative evil' of your battery running out:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/570189

We can ask why some would agree/disagree with this. Some would 'like' it - see it as 'good'.
For example - it needed to be said ( we might consider why but that would lead to other issues ). Others would 'dislike' - see it as 'bad' and e.g. make reference to my handle in an ironic way.

We can ask why you edited the 'evil' bit out after this was criticised. But that's not terribly important.

Re: knowing about your Mum being ill. Yes. We have discussed this in another thread. Unfortunately, I can become too involved in the affairs of others.

Interesting to see it from this new angle.
The physical and psychological aspects of life you are both going through which has made you think, not for the first time, about the evil of suffering.

In such situations, some ask questions such as 'Why me - what have I done to deserve this ?'
How they think of 'evil' or 'sin' in terms of religious belief, as you know, can add to the fear or anxieties already being faced.

Human ideas of these concepts are restricted to understanding, but we can ask whether they have any basis in any aspects of principles beyond the realm of our own thinking. — Jack Cummins

What is 'beyond the the realm of our own thinking' ?
What would be the consequence of our finding out ? More or less suffering ?

If my thread discussion did appear a bit obscure it probably comes in the context of my mother being ill and awaiting tests, for which both I and her are fearful. I am struggling with how to help her cope with any bad news and that is what got me thinking about how we frame 'evil'. — Jack Cummins

I don't think that the title and topic of your thread is at all 'obscure'. It's an old and continuing concern in philosophy. Fascinating and comprehensive articles abound e.g. in SEP.

The issue stems from thoughts/concerns about real life. Events such as you describe are common.
For me, it is less about delving into all the philosophical theories/opinions but how these situations can be alleviated.

I do believe that how we understand the forces of good and evil is not dependent on a religious perspective. — Jack Cummins

OK. So, you see good and evil as being forces. What or who is doing the forcing ?
The trouble is many do see this as stemming from an Absolute Being.
Life events - can be seen as a punishment or reward for behaviour. A judgement from on high.

I think that independently of whether we believe in any underlying divine force, we are still left with the quandary of whether there are any inherent principles of good and evil in the universe, even though these ideas are inevitably related to how we perceive good and evil in our own lives. — Jack Cummins

Some philosophers might be left in such a quandary but it is of their own making.
As you say, it depends on how we view life as either bad or good. This absolutism, or black and white way of thinking, I consider unhelpful as a method of coping with fears or sufferings.

So, when people say e.g. when their phone batteries die that it is a kind of 'suffering' because they are not longer in touch with the whole wide world, or they can't be contacted, how do we react to this ?

I'll close now by sharing a little:
Like many, I have been in a similar situation as you describe - coping with ill and dying parents in hospital. I understand all about the suffering. I too wondered and hoped that I would find the right things to say or do. I know how it saps energy etc.. etc...

The early realisation that negative events in my life - life in general - was not all about me, gave me a whole new perspective. 'Bad' things, as we know, happen to 'good' people and v.v.
But not all is what it seems.
There's a story out there - I think in taoism - which demonstrates this very well.
Perhaps someone knows it and can share, I've forgotten - @Wayfarer @Fooloso4 @Ying ?

The thing is to prepare yourself in any way you can to meet or foresee life's pain/pleasure.
Like making sure your phone, your self is as fully charged as possible.
It's your responsibility.
:sparkle:

Ah that makes sense. — Kenosha Kid

Quite so.
A mix of sweet'n'sour. Sometimes, being an :halo: can be so damned :yawn:
Anyway, what did I say that was so very :naughty:

We might occasionally pat ourselves on the back for a crappy 3 mile charity run or dumping coins in a beggar's cup, but might also lash out in pain, verbally or physically. — Kenosha Kid

So, it all depends on context, circumstance, perspective...
It's all too human. I don't think of 'evil' as an entity, only as a behaviour.
I know that others see it in absolutes.
So be it.

Words from a favourite film and actress - can you guess ? — Amity

Ah well, here's the trailer:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BHc_ZTEH0VU

Enjoy.

On the other hand, we're sure grateful you aired your irrelevant feelings. Speaking of irony... How'd you choose your handle? — Kenosha Kid

Who is this 'we' you talk of ? Are you royalty ?
Ah, the handle issue again...how tediously predictable.
Nobody ever asks about my middle and last names... :sad:

I didnt see that. He edited that last part out . — Joshs

Devil that he is :wink:

Just you just say that Jack used low battery as a relative
example of evil? — Joshs

What do you think Jack meant by this:

However, I am in Wimbledon and my phone battery may run out any moment, so I may not be able to discuss any further until I can charge my battery, a relative 'evil' amidst many greater aspects of evil. — Jack Cummins

So, what is 'evil' (even if said in jest) ?
The fact that batteries run out. Or the consequences of that happening ?
Not being able to discuss further ? :chin:
Bad, bad battery :naughty:
Or from another perspective: Yay, way to go battery ! :halo:

:cool:

Is that a good or an evil emoticon ?

However, I am in Wimbledon and my phone battery may run out any moment, so I may not be able to discuss any further until I can charge my battery, a relative 'evil' amidst many greater aspects of evil. — Jack Cummins

You keep telling us about mundane stuff like this and why you can't discuss further.
Nobody needs to know this. Seriously.
As for using it as an example of a relative 'evil', how f7cking ridiculous, even if it is meant to showcase your sense of humour. So very superficial...

'Ghostbusters' - Ray Parker Jr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe93CLbHjxQ

...I am really taking a bit of time out because my mum is in hospital. — Jack Cummins

Sorry to hear about this difficult time for you and your Mum.
It is good that you are able to be near and to show that you care, even if visits are limited.
This kind of reality hits home and can put things into perspective.
A time to reflect on who and what is important.
Threads can go to hell and back.
But sometimes - this place can be a welcome distraction.
Do what feels right for you.
Time to be kind to your body and mind. Find the balance. All the better to help your Mum and any others.
Best wishes :sparkle:

...some which you might be familiar with, such as the Girl From Ipanema, believed to be the second most recorded pop song in history (the first being "Yesterday" by The Beatles). It was a feature in that famous Getz/Gilberto bossa nova jazz album — Olivier5

You know what I find amazing about this song thread...and the information...is that it never fails to open my ears, eyes, whatever...and makes me feel more...'alive' perhaps.

Yes, you are right - the song is a familiar one, perhaps so much so that it has become a bit 'background'.
Until now.

Everything about this original version is simply so...cool, sensual...

...Getz/Gilberto bossa nova jazz album — Olivier5

Again, something I haven't heard, even if it is famous.
Might have to listen to a few tracks...any ideas ?
Love sax :cool:

With regard to how I wrote about the idea of fearing doing 'badly' on the site, I will admit that this connects to my own fears of failure and rejection. — Jack Cummins

I am glad you seem to be taking some time out, so please DO NOT REPLY to this, it isn't necessary.
Even one of the silly emoticons will do, if you want :smile:

Re: failure and fear.
I've added something to the 'Stuff' thread:
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/569722

You can also see the time and development aspects of the self, as we adapt to life changes in the film.
Philosophy is out there and everywhere. TPF is just a small drop in the ocean.

Best wishes.

A place to dump information you find interesting. — Wheatley

'Stuff to Dump'.
Well, I was gonna dump this in the Quotes thread and it's not information as such...
I suppose it's like something you would stick in a Scrapbook, if you had one.

Words from a favourite film and actress - can you guess ?

Evelyn:
The only real failure is the failure to try. And the measure of success is how we cope with disappointment. As we always must. We came here, and we tried. All of us, in our different ways. Can we be blamed for feeling we're too old to change? Too scared of disappointment to start it all again? We get up every morning, we do our best. Nothing else matters.

Evelyn:
But it's also true that the person who risks nothing, does nothing; has nothing. All we know about the future is that it will be different. But, perhaps what we fear is that it will be the same. So, we must celebrate the changes. Because, as someone once said "Everything will be all right in the end. And if it's not all right, then trust me, it's not yet the end."

I haven't been commenting on all the contributions here. But all are great finds; some new and welcome to my ears. Sometimes you just can't find the words...but here's a few anyway :wink:



This one. Stuck in my head for years as the most sexy evah :cool:

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So very different, amazing really and yet familiar. Love it. Looks like they are having fun with this - and the guy at the end as he 'collapses' in a heap after the quick pace and keeping apace :smile:

Thanks to all who share the music. All's well with the world - sometimes :sparkle:

'Man Alive' - Deep Purple

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojHRoKzQwfE

With “Man Alive”, Deep Purple delivers a perfect example for the versatility of their new album. The band explores their progressive-rock side while, once again, Ian Gillan shows his passion for storytelling.

After exploring the boundaries of time and space with the video for “Throw My Bones”, the first single of “Whoosh!”, Deep Purple step into the next chapter on their way to the release of the new album and again keep their fingers on the pulse time. The new video is both, a declaration of love to Mother Earth as well as a concerned look into the future.

'Man Alive'

Sun sets in the West
The boy has gone to rest
Mama clutch her breast

All creatures great and small
Graze on blood red soil
And grass that grows on city streets
It's been a quiet town
Since the juice went down
Now something's washed up on the beach
A man alive

After some thousands of years
Fewer than the smallest imaginable intake of breath
The wisest guys in the evolution of humanity became extinct
Mother Nature loves a vacuum
And so, the earth was cleansed
In no time at all

All creatures great and small
Graze on blood red soil
And grass that grows on city streets
It's been a quiet town
Until the word got round
And something washed up on the beach
A man alive

A man alone
Washed up on the beach
Just a man
Whoosh