'Hush' - Deep Purple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QBhC1uCP4

A rare surreal film clip of early Deep Purple Mark I playing their 1968 top 5 (US) smash hit 'Hush', song written by Joe South. This bizarre mimed performance is believed to be from German TV, where the band were asked to act as prehistoric cave men!

As cave-men :down:
Very tame but fun :up:

D.P. still on the go with 'Whoosh!'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whoosh!

'Mellow Yellow' - Donovan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb3WpOJvsug

“Mellow Yellow” is Donovan’s second of five top 10 singles in the US, peaking at #2 in late 1966. It was also certified Gold. The song was also a top 10 hit in the UK and Australia. Beatle Paul McCartney’s voice can be heard in the background.

In an interview in the June 18, 2011 edition of the NME, Donovan was asked what the song was actually about? He replied:

Quite a few things. Being mellow, laid-back, chilled out. ‘They call me Mellow Yellow, I’m the guy who can calm you down.’ [John] Lennon and I used to look in the back of newspapers and pull out funny things and they’d end up in songs. So it’s about being cool, laid-back, and also the electrical bananas that were appearing on the scene – which were ladies vibrators. — About the lyrics

'Watch Me' - Labi Siffre

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQfJDQxcjmg

'Something Inside So Strong' - Labi Siffre

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otuwNwsqHmQ

Wiki - Siffre came out of self-imposed retirement from music in 1985, when he saw a television film from Apartheid South Africa showing a white soldier shooting at black children.[7] He wrote "(Something Inside) So Strong" (No. 4, 1987)[6] and released four more albums between 1988 and 1998.

The higher you build your barriers
The taller I become
The further you take my rights away
The faster I will run
You can deny me
You can decide to turn your face away
No matter, cos there's

Something inside so strong
I know that I can make it
Tho' you're doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong

The more you refuse to hear my voice
The louder I will sing
You hide behind walls of Jericho
Your lies will come tumbling
Deny my place in time
You squander wealth that's mine
My light will shine so brightly
It will blind you
Cos there's

Something inside so strong
I know that I can make it
Tho' you're doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong

Brothers and sisters
When they insist we're just not good enough
When we know better
Just look 'em in the eyes and say
We're gonna do it anyway 2x

Something inside so strong
And I know that I can make it
Tho' you're doing me wrong, so wrong
You thought that my pride was gone
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong

Brothers and sisters
When they insist we're just not enough
When we know better
Just look 'em in the eyes and say
We're gonna do it anyway 4x

Because there's something inside so strong
And I know that I can make it
Tho' you're doing me, so wrong
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong

Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Labi Siffre
(Something Inside) So Strong lyrics © Xavier Music Ltd.

But, I think that I have probably created a lot of threads in a short time, and it is actually a lot of work trying to write so many replies. So, I probably do need a bit of a break, — Jack Cummins

'Probably' ?
Hell, yeah :smile:
Just for a larf - I did a wee comparison.

Amity - 3yrs. 1692 posts. 12 threads.
Jack - 10 months. 3242 posts. I lost count but I think c. 63 threads.

Wow.
I know how much time and energy it takes to read, write and respond. One of the reasons I gave up starting a thread.
You will know best what is right for you; your brain, mind and body.
It's just doing it.
Not always easy to listen carefully and be kind to all aspects...but you know that already :sparkle:

With regard to how I wrote about the idea of fearing doing 'badly' on the site, I will admit that this connects to my own fears of failure and rejection. — Jack Cummins

What does it mean to 'do badly here' — Amity

Thanks for time and interesting reply.
To clarify a little. My question about 'doing badly' was an attempt to understand the criteria you use as to what constitutes you 'failing' on TPF. I seem to remember you once talking of length of thread and how you hoped it would continue, even as you started another one. Also, moving a thread to the Lounge because it seemed to be less 'successful' or 'worthy' - ? due to lack of immediate response. Then back again. A noticeable and uncomfortable degree of anxiety creeping in ?

Personally, I think that it does affect me possibly more than it should, and that is probably because I spend a lot of time in my room by myself using it. It almost feels like reality television because it goes on night and day, with new threads popping up and heated, dramatic exchanges of ideas. — Jack Cummins

Yes. Pretty addictive, huh.
What was that you were saying about 'balance'? :wink:
Sometimes, more than others, it is difficult to keep. That's fine as long as it doesn't adversely affect one's life, as you know.
And we keep our eye on the ball...so as to achieve...whatever...wellbeing...becoming a heathier and more knowledgeable whole rather than a complete asshole ? ( to use the American version).
I've heard it said that:
'Anyone from the UK who says asshole is an arsehole.' What's in a word, huh ?
I just think asshole trips off the tongue better - aesthetically pleasing, whot !

I think that there is a danger of conflating the other's position and the other person almost into a caricature. — Jack Cummins

Yes. We can hold an impression of a poster after a single interaction. Just as when we meet someone in real life. How unfortunate when there can be so much more to a person and their thoughts.

In philosophy we are encouraged not to attack the person but the argument.
Ideally, this would be the case but I am not sure that this can always be avoided. Even if the intention is not to be hostile it is often perceived as such.
Especially when the positions people hold are a major part of who they are, sometimes after a lifetime
of experience and reflection. Other times, we are still growing and are happy to learn or be corrected.

...philosophy has traditionally often been in the form of books, but that does usually mean more direct human contact with others in the process of the creation of books, although that may be less now when people can self publish online. People can promote their own ideas without them being validated through being accepted for publication — Jack Cummins

Well - before print there was the oral tradition.
Perhaps that meant improved interaction but at the cost of messages being interpreted differently.
We see and hear what we want...

I don't know enough about 'the process of the creation of books' to comment.
Is that something you want to do ?
Sharing your ideas with others online - getting feedback - is a form of validation and part of a publication process, I suppose.
Is that one of the reasons you write so many threads ?
Not just for exploration. Are you writing a book ?

Time for a break.

Amity also speaks of the multidimensional aspects of the self. — Jack Cummins

Yes - but only included as a rather obvious throw-away line. It is no great surprise !

How does self-concept affect how we interact on forums such as this?
We bring ourselves, thoughts and ideas. We are multi-dimensional beings. Not all of which is on display here. — Amity

I was thinking of our selves as we try to express ourselves/thoughts externally here (as TPF participant) compared to elsewhere (pick any socio-cultural role) and other dimensions of self-concept such as the physical, temperament, moral attitudes and intellect. How they interact...as we interact.

Some share more of of their selves and life history than others. Judgements are made accordingly and sometimes wrong assumptions made. This can affect our patience, tolerance and ability to give another person time to explore further, in their own way. Or to engage fruitfully with others who seem to be the direct opposite of ourselves - we have blind spots and a tendency to dismiss without really listening to points being made. This can lead to misunderstandings or misrepresentations which hang around like a nasty smell, if the other person feels there is no will to understand and so doesn't clarify further. And so on...

I thought this was pertinent:

To be aware of the games we play with ourselves and to become cognisant of the constructed persona we have become. I don't have the answers to this and I am not recommending an obsessive and paralysing intellectual examination of everything we do and think - that would bring its own problems. However, being aware of one's self-talk and asking some simple questions about our assumptions can work wonders. — Tom Storm

Asking questions of ourselves and others. Being aware of our assumptions or judgements...
How limited and blinkered we sometimes are...especially if we feel under threat.

I think what is interesting in these is the cultural aspects of thinking about the self because I am sure that the whole way we think about the self is in a social context. — Jack Cummins

Of course it is...how could it be otherwise ?
There's a small bit in the article comparing the cultures of East Asia and America.
Also, the dimensions of time and development - included are exercises and questionnaires for all age groups to explore self-concept.

I think that my own sense of self is affected by interaction on this forum in particular. When I feel that I am doing badly here I feel that my own self esteem is affected detrimentally, just as if it was happening at work. Similarly, when I feel that I have meaningful interactions on the site, I do feel validated as a human being, and I think that this definitely gave me a sense of self worth during the isolation of lockdowns. — Jack Cummins

I think that has become clear to anyone reading your posts. Most recently when the 'reputation system' was reintroduced.
What does it mean to 'do badly here' and why would that affect self-esteem so much ?
What power do you give TPF and its members to adversely affect you ?
I agree that it can and does have an impact. Both positive and negative.
Sometimes...often I need to take a break.
However, I am not sure that, in my case, it is about being 'validated as a human being'.
It is only a small part of my life - but an important one and I would miss it if it disappeared.
Just like that...

Take care. Stay well.
:sparkle:

“The cat sat on the mat is not a story. The cat sat on the other cat’s mat is a story.”

- John le Carré

I don't know anything much about philosophy, but I'm interested in the concept of the world existing in your mind and would like to explore the idea. I don't mean solipsism, I just mean that your experience of the outside world is created in your mind/brain from the inputs of your senses. — John Paterson

Hi and welcome :smile:
For what it's worth, what instantly came to mind...was a book I bought and can't remember if I even started or finished. So much for that - but you can look it up !
It's 'The Kingdom of Infinite Space: A Fantastical Journey around Your Head' by Raymond Tallis.

'Gypsy Woman' - Brian Hyland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StC5lwA2snM

Stay strong. Be good to yourself :flower:
22mReplyOptions
— Amity

Thank you so much for your response :flower: — ArguingWAristotleTiff

You are most welcome. I don't know if this is a new 'feature' but gotta love the '22mReplyOptions' in the quote. Where did that come from :smile:


Who needs to look at number of 'likes' to know that someone is knowledgeable and trustworthy ?
Quality response :100:

I do believe that many people are not really able to do or think about this at all really, and do see themselves as being identical with the various roles they play.
— Jack Cummins

Agree. But more importantly there are people who, for instance, think they are worthless, dim-witted and unlucky and constantly see evidence for this — Tom Storm

I agree that many people don't spend too much time dwelling on 'self-concept', they are busy getting on with juggling the various roles.
I think we can underestimate just how many do reflect on the conflicting aspects and demands made upon them to be e.g. good mothers, effective employees, loving wives, caring daughters, supportive friends.
Our sense of self develops early and, even if we are not aware of the concepts, there is a constant moving to fit in with ease. If we feel or are made to feel 'different', then there can be unease, or disease...

So, yes there is a difference between our internal view of self/ves and external evaluations thereof.
There is overlap between the explorations of psychology/psychiatry/sociology.
Where does philosophy come in ? Everywhere ?
In general, how likely are people to turn to philosophy for insight into the self ?

How does self-concept affect how we interact on forums such as this?
We bring ourselves, thoughts and ideas. We are multi-dimensional beings. Not all of which is on display here.

There is a clear link between self-concept and self-esteem.
Some people can be seen as compassionate and loving carers/husbands to outsiders and are esteemed accordingly. How much of this acting a role is true ? Ask the person being looked after...or who lives with the character.

A 'believer' might think himself like God or Jesus. A good person.
When their behaviour is challenged e.g. called out for cruel sarcasm, they are horrified. That is not who I am ! Perhaps not, but it is how they act that counts.

A person might not want to retire from work because that is the area where they derive self-esteem.
Their other self/ves, as Mum/Dad or wife/husband, perhaps not so much. But hey, they now have time to look after the grandchildren - unpaid childminders have clear value.

Anyway, enough of my early morning thoughts.
There is a lengthy article here:

https://positivepsychology.com/self-concept/

Scrolling down - there are 10 examples of self-concept, including positive and negative aspects.
How it affects interpersonal communication on internet forums.

Our self-concept drives our motivations, methods, and experiences with communicating with others. For example, if you see yourself as someone who is always right (or who must always be right), you may struggle in communicating with others when disagreements arise.

If that need is accompanied by an acceptance of aggression, you may use hostility, assertiveness, and argumentativeness to attack the self-concepts of the people you are debating instead of discussing their positions (Infante & Wigley, 1986).
[ emphasis added]

Communication on social media is also a determinant and an outcome of an individual’s self-concept.

Sponcil and Gitimu (2012) suggested that, in general, the more friends an individual has on social networking sites, the more positively they feel about themselves as a whole. Conversely, the anxiety of social media and maintaining one’s image poses separate issues. — Self-concept

So am I being weak and should be able to accommodate Opiates being around me? — ArguingWAristotleTiff

From what I've read about your life story, I don't think you are being weak at all.
Quite the opposite. You, more than anyone else, know that relapse is always possible.
You show great self-awareness. Also, care and thought for the present and future, based on past experience. You know what awaits if you don't stay away from temptation. You've been there and fought your way through it. Such an achievement :sparkle:

I am not an expert. I believe @Tom Storm has a wealth of experience in this area and will have a more informed response. Other than that, perhaps some family members need to be introduced to a Support Group who might reinforce the message.

Stay strong. Be good to yourself :flower:

Thanks. Take care :sparkle:

Climate Change

First Dog on the Moon cartoon
Why do we care about wet bulb temperature and could they have given it a better name?
Because we could die and yes.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/16/why-do-we-care-about-wet-bulb-temperature-and-could-they-have-given-it-a-better-name

with BTL comments.

Also this:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/16/climate-scientists-shocked-by-scale-of-floods-in-germany

Again, listening to radio outside and relaxing.
'Union City Blue' - Blondie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvqgb1D6Opw

Sounds good. But what's it all about ? Do we even care... :cool:

If it is not too personal, I would like to start a thread where we talk about our medical issues (if we have any) and how they affect our lives. I envision this thread to be sensitive and non-judgmental, but also not just a place to rant. So, pretty much, just another "get to know you" thread. — darthbarracuda

Started 6 years ago and resurrected from the graveyard of TPF.
Designed to 'get to know you'...and for some this kind of sharing of intimate issues leads to a bonding.
This is most valuable, particularly in addressing the role of philosophy in either causing, assessing or coping with health problems across the board.

I have had Purely Obsessional OCD since I can remember, but never got it diagnosed until a few years back. It is characterized by irrational thought patterns that cause a person anxiety. An obsessional thought will worm its way into my thought process, and I end up doing compulsive behaviors to try to mitigate the anxiety. It is a fear-based disorder. I am uncomfortable with uncertainty. You could probably call me the "ultimate devil's advocate," because no matter what position I take, doubt inevitably creeps in as an irrational, anxiety-ridden thought pattern. This unfortunately leaves me in a state of confusion and fogginess about the topic, as well as a general anxiety that spikes when the thought hits home. I am slowly learning to deal with this, and therapy has helped a lot. I used to post a lot of my obsessional thoughts on forums such as PF, but have now realized that this is a form of compulsion (and probably pisses the hell out of other people), so I am trying to learn to recognize when a thought is irrational and obsessional. This is not an excuse for me to post stupid stuff, but sometimes it is difficult to realize I am compulsing. — darthbarracuda

Reading this moved me so much...thanks for sharing this experience of OCD and how you have dealt with it. That was 6yrs ago - so, hope all is well now.

I think that on a forum such as this, you are not alone. Some are more 'uncomfortable with uncertainty' than others who thrive on not knowing the absolute truth about an issue but are keen to explore all perspectives. As such and until anyone has aligned themselves with any particular way of thinking about the world, any position taken is not written in stone. It should even be possible to play 'the "ultimate devil's advocate," and still have doubt. The problem arises as you say when 'doubt inevitably creeps in as an irrational, anxiety-ridden thought pattern'.

I understand that philosophy itself as a way of pushing and playing with thoughts and ideas can lead to a certain turbulence. Here, at TPF many are willing to share their knowledge, experiences and stories all to the good. I think sometimes it would be be interesting for any 'debaters' to argue FOR the opposing positions, change places as it were...it can all be far too predictable.

Sometimes I wonder if once you get hooked on this forum and get to know people and their thoughts so intimately that it becomes more than a 'community' but an addiction in itself. Once a fascinating thread is started there is a compulsion to either keep reading or replying - no matter what. It can become a battle of egos. Or a never-ending soap opera. Some like it hot :fire:
I am not so addicted that I can't leave - but like many I return - a kind of a mad obsession ? :nerd:

I don't expect any replies to this, but if you feel okay with sharing any medical conditions you are dealing with, this is the thread to do it. — darthbarracuda

Clearly, plenty are willing to share stuff, up to a point.
Amazing coincidences...

I am tempted to enter the medical story of my life but I won't.
I tend to share as I go in various threads. Not all at once or even in a profile.

I am not alone in being reticent in this area.
Here's something about:
'Why We Don’t Talk About Our Illness and How We Can'

When author and screen-writer/director Nora Ephron died of leukemia in June, many of her fans were shaken; we didn’t even know she was sick. Maybe, we thought, she just didn’t want the public to know that she was so direly ill. But, it turns out, even some of those closest to her were likewise in the dark. Ephron, who once wrote, “there are no secrets” (About My Neck) went about her business up until the final hospitalization when then, only her immediate family and the most intimate friends knew she was dying...

Frank Rich quotes Meryl Streep from the memorial service:
“We’ve all been ambushed….she really did catch us napping…And it’s really stupid to be mad at someone who died, but somehow I’ve managed it.”
Streep went on to say that she was honored and privileged to be on the list of chosen speakers, despite feeling “pissed off.” — Contemporary Psychoanalysis in Action

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/contemporary-psychoanalysis-in-action/201211/secrets-and-health-keeping-illness-hidden

Isn't this all about how we cope during life crises; how we view life, illness and death.
How we might be helped by others' insights ?
No wonder I can't stay away...
:sparkle:

'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' - The Hollies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g

The road is long
With a many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

He's my brother

He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Songwriters: B. Russell, B. Scott
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: Musixmatch

'The Air That I Breathe' - The Hollies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duPNQCp-w4

Sometimes, all I need is the air that I breathe
And to love you
All I need is the air that I breathe
Yes, to love you
All I need is the air that I breathe

'Sometimes' - but usually a little bit more is required for a sense of...well...you know what...
Blue sky, sunshine, gentle breeze, listening to the radio playing the Hollies while reading a book.
Currently, 'The Pigeon Tunnel - Stories from My Life' - John Le Carré.
Then coming here to share - just a little. As and when...
:sparkle:

People keep going on about Facebook. But there's more to the internet than Facebook — jamalrob

Indeed. So, what is your response to the first part of my quote:

What are your intentions for TPF — Amity

There are many social platforms that use something like a reputation system, where it seems to work. Reddit and things like Physics Forums spring to mind, and anything that uses Discourse or Stack Exchange, e.g., the Codecademy Forums or Philosophy Stack Exchange. — jamalrob

Interesting links.
I had a quick look at the Physics Forum. Picked on this thread to see how the 'Reputations System' operates:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/has-all-the-good-music-been-played-copied-completed.979403/

So, it looks more informative and useful than the simple 'like' function currently on offer at TPF.
You can see the poster's 'status' and who 'liked' a post.

Also, the Codecademy has a most clear and helpful 'How to Get Started' thread.
https://discuss.codecademy.com/t/how-to-use-the-codecademy-community-forums/78832

New users are somewhat limited for safety reasons. As you participate here, you’ll gain the trust of the community, become a full citizen, and those limitations will automatically be removed. At a high enough trust level, you’ll gain even more abilities to help us manage our community together.

Note that some posting options will only become unlocked as your Trust level increases. Be sure you use the Search box to look for answers and browse through other posts to get a feel for our Community before you start posting. Getting to Trust Level 1 is pretty easy. Learn more about Trust Levels here.

https://discuss.codecademy.com/t/user-trust-levels/6442 — The Codecademy Community

I am not sure if this is the kind of thing that you are looking for?
As things stand, we pretty much use our own judgement...a mix of subjective and objective...

I think TPF quality could be increased by careful editing of e.g. 'Useful Hints and Tips'.
Welcoming, encouraging and keeping New Readers or Posters - I think that would be a good start.

I think that you have quite the challenge ahead of you :cool:
Best wishes.

Brilliant :cool:
Each cartoon could be the start of a fascinating discussion.
Who needs a perfectly written OP :wink:

'One mustn't imagine X as being/wearing Y'.
Discuss.

So, how should we imagine Sysyphus ?
How do you imagine this character ?
Do we need to use our imagination - or are we told enough to 'know' ?
Isn't this all down to the usual arguments about interpretation ?
Perhaps art does it better than never-ending debate...

I turned on the reputation system a while ago to see what would happen — jamalrob

So, why the need now for this particular experiment ? Hasn't it been discussed in the past ?
What has changed ? Is there a problem or a pressing issue that needs to be addressed ?

I don't know if we've given the functionality enough of a chance--ideally it should begin to indicate those members who make good contributions and who have been around for a while--but I'm interested to know what you think about it. — jamalrob

'Ideally' - but it isn't ideal, is it ? How can a mere uptick on a post show that the writer of the post makes 'good contributions' ? What makes a person 'like' a post by another poster ? Clearly, it involves more than a 'quality' issue.
As for the quantity of posts and time served on TPF, these can be seen on any poster's profile page.
That is about quantity not quality.

So this 'reputation system' is questionable to say the least.
A 'reputation' for what...?

Now comments can be liked (upvoted) by other members, — jamalrob

Is this the way forward ? I hope not.
What are your intentions for TPF - to become like Facebook ?

What should we do with the reputation system? — jamalrob

I vote to turn it off.

And perhaps think again about why there might be a 'quality' issue.
Be pragmatic. Follow a process to reach some kind of a solution.
If this is the first step...now what ?

'Bennie and the Jets' - Elton John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1OwRTRKRk

Nothing like mishearing lyrics - I thought it was 'electric boobs' :smirk:

Hey kids, shake it loose together
The spotlight's hitting something
That's been known to change the weather
We'll kill the fatted calf tonight, so stick around
You're gonna hear electric music solid walls of sound

Say, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet?
Ooh, but they're so spaced out
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets
Oh, but they're weird and they're wonderful
Oh, Bennie she's really keen
She's got electric boots, a mohair suit
You know I read it in a magazine, ohh-oh
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets

Hey kids, plug into the faithless
Maybe they're blinded
But Bennie makes them ageless
We shall survive, let us take ourselves along
Where we fight our parents out in the streets
To find who's right and who's wrong

Oh, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet?
Oh, but they're so spaced out
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets
Oh, they're so weird and they're wonderful
Oh, Bennie she's really keen
She's got electric boots, a mohair suit
You know I read it in a magazine, ohh-oh
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets

Oh, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet?
Oh, but they're so spaced out
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets
Oh, but they're weird and they're wonderful
Oh, Bennie she's really keen
She's got electric boots, a mohair suit
You know I read it in a magazine, ohh-oh
B-B-B-Bennie and the Jets

Bennie, Bennie and the Jets
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie and the Jets
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie and the Jets

Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie and the Jets
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie and the Jets, Jets, Jets
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie
Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie, Bennie and the Jets

Songwriters: Elton John, Bernie Taupin
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: Musixmatch

From the Top100 Hits of 1972:
https://musicoutfitters.com/topsongs/1972.htm#:~:text=Top%20100%20Hits%20of%201972%2FTop%20100%20Songs%20of,So%20Fast%20-%20Wayne%20Newton%20More%20items...%20

At no.52 - 'Everything I Own' - Bread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i43aAn2rq8

YouTube carried on with this: ( 1:08:35) - listening to it now...chilling out...
Dan Fogelberg, Bread, James Taylor, Neil Young, Don McLean [and more]
- Classic Folk Rock Greatest Hits 60s, 70s, 80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieafzVd6zc

Talking about bus trips...

Cliff Richard & The Shadows Summer Holiday 1963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am5VNGSDpdI

:100:
:sparkle:

:hearts:

Way too much "playing tennis without a net" going on for this thread to remotely be a philosophical, let alone historical, discussion. — 180 Proof

Yes. It's all over the place. Even given the previous advice re some focus - Jack is tripping.
Going with the flow is fine up to a point. But this is a runaway bus...full speed ahead...no longer for me. Any remaining 'passengers' hold tight - you might need sick bags for all the dizzying twists and turns.

One aspect which I may introduce into this discussion is one book which I have read on a Jungian interpretation of 'The Book of Revelation'. I believe that the symbolic dimensions of life is such an important aspect of reality, but I am aware that is simply my perspective. Of course, I am aware that is my own view, and I am open to having that challenged. I may put in an entry based on that view tomorrow, but I make no definite plans, because while I have created the thread, I think that it goes beyond my own personal viewpoint. I wish to go with the flow, and I definitely wish to keep the discussion within the scope of philosophy. — Jack Cummins

Too much going on in your head at once...and the thread encompasses too much for it to be easily followed. Again, just my view...there could easily be at least 6 different threads out of all this 'matter'.
I hope you see this as constructive criticism.

Oh, you added a bit after I posted:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-R9qiS_n50

Full circle: "Papa was a Rollin' Stone" because he was raised to be a "Manish Boy". No wonder I've gathered no moss ... :sweat: — 180 Proof

No moss but plenty of books and albums :wink:

The musical refrain reminded me of something in a film...can't remember which one...so I looked up wiki.
Still don't know about the film but this was interesting:

"Mannish Boy" features a repeating stop-time figure on one chord throughout the song and is credited to Waters, Mel London, and Bo Diddley.[3]

Although the song contains sexual boasting, its repetition of "I'm a man, I spell M, A child, N" was understood as political. Waters had recently left the South for Chicago. "Growing up in the South, African-Americans [would] never be referred to as a man – but as 'boy'. In this context, the song [is] an assertion of black manhood."[4] — Wiki: Mannish Boy

The things you learn...

Thanks for posting that list. I'd only become aware of a number of those songs years later as a (pre)teen when my started listening to music in earnest. — 180 Proof

My pleasure. I don't think I really appreciated the songs at that point.
I might be a little ahead of you in years but I have only just begun to really 'listen'.

"Papa was a Rollin' Stone", however, was played a lot back then in the Bronx, Brooklyn & Harlem (places where I'd had family). Many black kids in the early 70s, not just me and my brother, had 'dead beat dads' or 'absentee fathers' and were growing up in single mother homes (or raised by grandparents or in foster care). — 180 Proof

It is no wonder that it resonated so strongly with you and others.
You could write a book about it...that, and all your influences...perhaps you are ?

Brilliant 'Rolling Stones' story :cool:

Thank you for this. Drawing out the main ideas relating them to your own understanding.
Most helpful :smile:

Quite the diverse list for 1972 ! Gotta love it :cool:
At no15 - 'My ding-a-ling' - Chuck Berry :scream:

Some not 'deep' but remind me of a special time or coming to terms with emotions like:

At 25. Mouth & MacNeal - How Do You Do (2:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVx3exTqKG4
Popular here and on the Continent during my first holiday abroad with accompanying 'romance' :hearts:

Stupid 70s video cut it short ! Here is longer, rare version with lyrics (4:06)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ULWNNrE6b8
Fun :starstruck:

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At 26: Neil Diamond - Song Sung Blue 1972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNz-VLAZ144

Song sung blue
Everybody knows one
Song sung blue
Every garden grows one

Me and you are subject to the blues now and then
But when you take the blues and make a song
You sing them out again
Sing them out again

Song sung blue
Weeping like a willow
Song sung blue
Sleeping on my pillow

Funny thing, but you can sing it with a cry in your voice
And before you know, it get to feeling good
You simply got no choice

Me and you are subject to the blues now and then
But when you take the blues and make a song
You sing them out again

Song sung blue
Weeping like a willow
Song sung blue
Sleeping on my pillow

Funny thing, but you can sing it with a cry in your voice
And before you know, it started feeling good
You simply got no choice

Song sung blue
Song sung blue

Funny thing, but you can sing it with a cry in your voice

Songwriters: Neil Diamond
For non-commercial use only.
Data from: Musixmatch
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Others on the list are classics. I love and could play them all...forever...
Thanks be to YouTube :sparkle:

I will try to look at the original Les Reid article, , because I have one left in what I am allowed to log into. So, I am being careful about accidentally logging into other articles accidentally. I am going to reply to a couple of other posts and try to access the Les Reid review, if I can, this afternoon. — Jack Cummins

No worries. It will soon be July, a new month :wink:

I just had a look at the issue of 'Philosophy Now', and most of it appears to come down to the debate between theism and atheism. — Jack Cummins

Is that the case for the Les Reid 'Review of the Bible' ?
The article I posted was only the response to his - the original review that I would like to read...

Well, if it's "not obvious", then maybe it's not there? — Apollodorus

It is there. You know it. Others who are alert see it.
End of.

You know what you are doing. Over and over. A consistent and continuing pattern of behaviour that is not always obvious, especially to mods who can't follow all threads.
It's like the bully's response to an offensive remark - 'I was only joking...'. Making out as if the person hasn't got a sense of humour...and too sensitive...
Insidious.
Flagging individual posts is sometimes not enough.

This is so predictable that it has become comical. Whenever I point to Socrates' arguments that run counter to what you would want them to say you let loose a barrage of complaints and claims that address all kinds of things except what is actually said in the dialogue.

Unfortunately, there are some here who do not find it at all funny. They think it rude and obstructive and worry that others who may want to discuss the dialogue will be turned away by your incessant bickering. — Fooloso4

Indeed. The type of 'humour' used by @Apollodorus, some might find funny but his 'jokes' and sarcastic 'asides' are just part of that nasty pattern of behaviour it seems he can't help indulging in.
It's not just here.

@Banno called him out on his offensiveness :

That last comment concerning bats was unnecessarily offensive. Indeed, your replies here reinforce my growing view that you are incapable of seeing a situation from the perspective of another, or worse, simply unaware that things may seem different to other folk. — Banno

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/557477

with predictable and typical responses as per 'bully-boy' tactics, or as I suggested elsewhere signs of a narcissistic personality disorder.

It is, as you say, counterproductive to a constructive discussion, a fruitful learning experience.
I would hope that more people would be alert to this continuing and consistent pattern.
Either respond and call it for what it is...or report...whatever...

Follow up, to try and understand why I didn't know about 'Papa was a Rollin' Stone':

Here is a list of The Top 100 songs in 1972 as compiled by Billboard.

https://musicoutfitters.com/topsongs/1972.htm#:~:text=Top%20100%20Hits%20of%201972%2FTop%20100%20Songs%20of,So%20Fast%20-%20Wayne%20Newton%20More%20items...%20

This song has always hit very close to home for me, having seen my father for the last time in 1970 and then my parents divorcing in 1972 when this monster-hit was always on the radio...The still-beating heart of the soundtrack of my childhood. — 180 Proof

Talking about meaningful songs...Wow !
Strange the effect it had on you and others, given it was a 'monster-hit', and it doesn't seem to have registered at all with me. Yet, I loved the Temptations...

Intrigued by the instrumental section, I looked up wiki:

Beginning with an extended instrumental introduction (3:53 in length), each of the song's three verses is separated by extended musical passages, in which Whitfield brings various instrumental textures in and out of the mix. A solo plucked bass guitar part, backed by hi-hat cymbals drumming, establishes the musical theme, a simple three-note figure; the bass is gradually joined by other instruments, including a blues guitar, wah-wah guitar, electric piano, handclaps, strings and solo trumpet; all are tied together by the ever-present bass guitar line and repeating hi-hat rhythm. — Wiki - 'Papa Was a Rollin' Stone'

Amazing and with the lyrics, I am not surprised it really hit the mark and a very personal one at that.
Thanks for sharing, again...
:sparkle:

I am hoping to be able to look at a couple of articles in 'The God' issue of 'Philosophy Now', as I have accessed 2 of my 4 allowed — Jack Cummins

Excellent. I hope I'll be able to access that soon !

I am trying to think of a more specific focus and one particular book which I wish to have a look at is one which I have in my room by Gabriel Josipovici, which is the best philosophical discussion of it that I can find presently. So, I plan to read some of this and write a fuller entry afterwards, later today. — Jack Cummins

Thanks for update and I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts later :smile: