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Does systemic racism exist in the US?
I didn’t call you sleazy, I referred to your post as sleazy because it was elusive and deceptive in its meaning. Maybe not on purpose, though it seemed worded to combat previous posts.
I take it you agree then that white men, compared to women and black people, were in fact not disenfranchised or discriminated against in any meaningful numbers? — Benkei
You say white men and women weren’t disenfranchised or discriminated against, then add “In meaningful numbers” which is so subjective I couldn’t imagine being able to address your post. Nor could I be sure what was meant by disenfranchised.
At the time I was thinking of the tenant farmers and sharecroppers who most definitely were disenfranchised and victims of an economic plan that did not benefit them. Both white and black were caught up in this. Which is why I regard the issue of racism more in terms of poverty. All races are victims of greed and financial manipulation. -
Violence in Police Culture
It's not a formal argument (more like an interesting comment), but it does get at the idea that "more police" is of questionable benefit. — VagabondSpectre
I agree with what you say, it’s been my position that it’s the quality of police officer that counts and the management of the force. I’ve seen many examples of police working with the community in poor and crime ridden areas. Naturally it’s the parents who want the best for their children that take part in it, those who don’t want their kids involved in drugs, crime and gangs. I don’t think these programs are that rare, it’s just that they don’t get much attention or, most likely, funds. More police of the same poor quality we’ve seen is not the answer, which means the use of force is not the answer either.
Edit: I should add that I feel the police are the meat in the sandwich. -
If you wish to end racism, stop using language that sustains it
But if I refuse to use the word black isn’t that suggesting that there’s something distasteful about the colour?
Edit: remember, it’s “Blacklivesmatter”. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
I don't really know what you're talking about. — fdrake
He’s trying to tell you that by making race an issue you make the idea of race important. When it would be better, as everyone keeps saying, that there was no issue of race, that it shouldn’t exist. But you perpetuate the idea of race by making it an issue. -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
What I cannot respect is claiming to be outraged and insulted - that gesture symbolises a guilty conscience and a complete lack of respect for humanity. — unenlightened
Who do you mean by this? Those who are outraged at Kaepernick’s actions or those who conceal their guilty conscience by being too fervent in their protests? -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
So one breaks that tradition as a black man by kneeling, to show that one is not on an equal footing, but shows a subservient service. In this way it shows respect but also inequality. — unenlightened
Yes I absolutely get that. And to stand next to him, but not imitate him. When Democrats go down on at knee in the Capital then you know the gesture has been stolen. -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
In a way Kaepernick put himself at the mercy of the crowd, he made himself vulnerable. That’s an action, not mere gesture. Does that seem to you to be totally different than whites going down on a knee? -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
No it’s not a rant. I want to look at the idea of symbolic acts and what they mean and what they achieve. This is a quote from Wikipedia;
Kaepernick and his 49ers teammate Eric Reid said they choose to kneel during the anthem to call attention to the issues of racial inequality and police brutality. "After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, ... during the anthem, as a peaceful protest," said Reid. "We chose to kneel because it's a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy." Wikipedia.
They chose it as a respectful gesture. Traditionally one goes down on a knee as an act of respect to a leader. A. very old practise but that’s it’s origins I’m guessing. So it’s actually an act of serving. Even Kaepernick saw it as a respectful act, but I’m not sure if he meant towards the anthem, which is the country itself or those affected by racism. But in effect it was a piece of drama, which I don’t condemn. He chose a time and place to do it. It had power because of who he was, an individual alone making a stand. It’s the act of the individual. That’s where it’s power comes from.
But whites taking a knee as an organised act seems to be a little shallow. I can see that it’s an act of sympathy or solidarity, but it’s only an act. After that, what? -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
I have no way of knowing. But you’re right, it may mean something far different to blacks. And yet I don’t see that many blacks doing it. I’m aware of its beginnings, I assume with black football players, but in general it’s been whites who have been covered by the media. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
Black people - and basically anyone who is not white - always get pinned down to their race: being black means you are a 'black writer', a 'black lawyer', a 'black actor' or whathaveyou. — StreetlightX
That’s completely untrue. Publishers, writers, artists and curators use those terms to help promote their work. Women writers are promoted as addressing womens’ issues, or black issues, or transgender issues, or issues of race. It’s the left who play with issues of identity. In fact conservatives, the right if you like, very rarely play that game. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
I take it you agree then that white men, compared to women and black people, were in fact not disenfranchised or discriminated against in any meaningful numbers? — Benkei
That’s a pretty sleazy sentence. And a lame answer. -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
We're talking about "systemic racism" being denied. The very first post:
... is there "systematic racism," absolutely not.
— Sam26 — Baden
Is that really indicative of the general posts though? -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
I don’t if you’ve seen this. I put it up for anyone to read, including myself.
https://www.nipolicingboard.org.uk/sites/nipb/files/publications/research-on-experiences-of-new-psni-local-policing-model.PDF -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
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Does systemic racism exist in the US?
They don't want to hear. — Baden
That’s untrue, . I don’t think there’s been a denial of racism, only a questioning of your position.
Edit: you’re one of the few insisting that you’re absolutely right. -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?Baden
This:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501583-majority-of-minneapolis-city-council-vows-to-disband-police-department
— Baden
So how does this work? Is it a steady decline in crime as the police force is slowly disbanded, or is it an overnight change. Does the police force go in one fell swoop or small steps? — Brett -
Does systemic racism exist in the US?
Burn this shit down and take it all. — Benkei
What’s moral about that? Everything gets burned down, black property too. We’ve seen that already.
No we’re getting closer to the truth. -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
So how does this work? Is it a steady decline in crime as the police force is slowly disbanded, or is it an overnight change. Does the police force go in one fell swoop or small steps? -
Mental health under an illegitimate state
If you go to a state and threaten state policy, you will be stopped if not removed from the country, if not arrested and placed in prison. — boethius
Do you mean question or threaten?
Edit: I’m sorry, I realise I just don’t understand what you’re talking about. -
Systemic racism in the US: Why is it happening and what can be done?
You don’t call that racism, so I suppose you don’t find it necessary to fight against it. — Congau
These responses are a bit rabid. You keep labelling people in simplistic terms. If someone questions a definition they’re regarded as accessories to racism. This is really making me question the real intent of many posts.
Edit: a person can think what they like, it’s acting it out that’s the crime, -
Mental health under an illegitimate state
but institutions are agents of stability. — unenlightened
Which is why they exist. We’re not totally stupid. -
Mental health under an illegitimate state
Change is hard work, uncomfortable and uncertain. we don't like it. — unenlightened
It’s ironic isn’t it, because that’s essentially what we are. We are all agents of change, we can’t help it. -
Mental health under an illegitimate statemanipulative mass marketing being the most global and potentially the most harmful activity a group of humans has ever embarked upon. — boethius
What corporate executive would not be part of this? How could you function as a corporate executive and play no part in mass marketing? -
Mental health under an illegitimate state
As a privileged corporate executive — boethius
What does that mean? If you’re a corporate executive I would bet you need to censor yourself all the time. In fact I would bet you hardly know who you are anymore.
Brett
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