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your right.

No its shenoo

Nope because most people are more likely to tell others how it is than to listen to the advice of others.
No No No No.

kick me dont kick me i really dont care

Nope your wrong. Discussing philosophy is a form of evangelism and no i could care less if he believes 1+1 = 4 or if 1+1 = 10. I'm not trying to evangelise anyone.

Gnostic Christian Bishop i'm guessing you are either 30 or older and there is little to no chance you'll ever be a normal christian so i'm probably wasting my time talking to you with any urgency or you are 20 something and perhaps some one somewhere will change your mind about something. I guess i'll do a search on gnosticism and discover its like some new age religion.

if you read all of 1 Timothy chapter 2 that is in regards to inside the Church and women can teach other women in the church as well as children. I don't have a problem with that verse when you read the whole book of 1st Timothy. Nice picture that you put along with that verse. (sarcasm)

That quote was intended for someone else i think you misread the title of that post because i was talking to someone else.

i think homosexuality is a sin just like pornography and the sports illustrated swimsuit addition is a sin so yes i guess that would make it homophobic. Alot of women would agree with me on that.

Personally i have no problem with women being in charge but that being said i do not believe women should have the same pay if they don't do the same work. If they do the same work they should get paid more or the same as men. Also in blue collar jobs women very often get away with a lot of things that men do not get away with. I've been wrong before though.

"I can be moved by good apologetics but you did not provide any.

Hell, you cannot even answer straight questions.

Regards
DL " -Gnostic Christian Bishop"

That might be true it might not be true. I've got stuff to do. Get angry Don't get angry i really don't care.

*Gnosticism

"That being the case, would you like to argue for Jesus and his morals against me as I do not see Jesus as very moral at all.

Just not to blind side you, I will tell you that I particularly dislike his no divorce for women and his substitutional punishment policies.

I have more but those will either scare you away, as it does most Christians or, hopefully, you will engage. Can you take the truth?" -Gnostic Christian Bishop

Please enlighten us because the Bible according to you is complete crap. Do you have a website so that i can learn all about Gnostism?

i disagree. Don't act like anything i said was going to change your opinion anyway. Its your god against my god. Your a gnostic and i consider myself a christian. We'll just have to see what happens after we die.

I believe if a woman gets married the man will get nothing out of the marriage if the woman doesn't take a slightly lower position than the man. Most marriages end in divorce because people in our day don't understand this. Yes i do believe a married woman should submit on some level to her husband.

I attempted to answer some of this question elsewhere but how is the God of the Bible misogynistic?

I know the story of David's son dying after 3 or 7 days (i thought it was 3 but that is besides the point). God or Jesus allows suffering and sometimes even inflicts suffering on innocent people to show more corrupt people (David) that sin is serious. David murdered a man which is what caused this. The fact that bad things happen does not make me believe the God of the Bible is not a good God. I could go on and on about why i believe this but i'm not sure it would serve a purpose in this case.

In the case of Egypt those Egyptians were slave drivers and it says it in the story. Sometimes not being given the chance to become our parent's is God's greatest gift to us. The fact that their is evil in the world is due to us having free will. I'm not a calvinist.

When did Yahweh torture innocent babies in the bible? The Amorites were a wicked people and Yahweh chose the jews because he knew they wouldn't listen to him and kill them outright (Jews/Israelites are known for being soft and weak). The Amorites were well known for sacrificing their children to their gods. As to why Yahweh had the Israelites kill the children of the Amorites too i could not give you a great answer other than when you grow up being raised by the people who killed/murdered your mother and father you might reject the religion of your NEW parents. That being said Yahweh for whatever reason believed the religion of Yahweh was important for eternal happiness. People who grow up in bad homes are known to resent their parents and their parent's beliefs. When these children and babies were killed they went to heaven because they were never given the chance to reject the supposed good religion of Yahweh.

I consider my self a christian and i blame money hungry pastors with an over simplified message on the dying Christian church. Thats my personal view.

well for me to answer this forum post i would have to study for a month. It would be wise for me just to keep my mouth shut.

Until i do further research or come to the complete realization of the following opinion or fact that pastors do not typically say religion is bad. yes i agree this was a bad topic for a discussion. If i am allowed in the future i will post future topics.

yeah i didn't watch the video. Your right it was a stupid topic for a discussion.

Some believe God has a personality and also can plan ahead. Had OpinionsMatter's dog died the dog probably might have been better off dead depending on how it was treated when it was alive. I've prayed for death about 200 times in the past 10 years and have even been held up at gun point and i chased the robbers away. After being in that situation i stayed where i was and called the police and shortly after that i prayed that the robbers wouldn't get caught because i knew how bad it is to get into the criminal system. The point i'm trying to make is there are worse things than death. I feel as many people do in that sometimes the only way to die is to do it yourself. I would not wish suicide on Hitler. If i thought Hitler was alive in Argentina i would do it my self. I'm pretty sure Hitler died a long time ago.

The point is death can be a release or at the very least an act of mercy.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sermon+on+danger+of+religion+%2b+youtube&&view=detail&mid=47F3149EDF2B0F41663247F3149EDF2B0F416632&&FORM=VRDGAR

this is just one of many. Google "sermon on religion" + youtube or "sermon on danger of religion" + youtue on google or bing.

I'm not convinced you tried to do a search yourself.

whatever

My next pay check i'll look it up on amazon

I hear it on alot of sermons whether they are here in the area i live (Maryland) or online on youtube. Maybe i'm deluded. I guess you could google it if you are interested.

That was well said. I really wish i had a good argument against that.

i appreciate your grace. We'll see. have a good week.

Once again this is not a complete solution to the world's problems but just like any solution it buys the people of that society time before the distant or not so distant failure of society comes. Most if not all societies fail eventually.

this bartering system would be for those who consider themselves to be on the fringes of society which is why i believe this bartering app/website would help them be more self sufficient. Many businesses already use bartering to help keep costs lower.

as was said in the essay. This system would not completely get rid of the use of money and probably this bartering system would still be a small fraction of the economy but it would be a much larger part than it is now.

What you said makes sense to me.

"Why would anyone say it? Because they wan't to frame it as factual truth probably. It's a reactionary position brought on by science-envy. "

Without pulling up 100s of sermons there is no way for me to prove that. You are correct.

"I still don't get what your thread is about. I like threads about religion, but I can't make out where this one is supposed to be going."

i don't know why its such a mystery so i'll put it more plainly and maybe you'll understand this time.
I dont like some churches.

yeah i agree with the exception that i believe having spiritual beliefs is important.

I admit cash will always be more straight forward than bartering but i believe through a sophisticated piece of software bartering could become tremendously easier. I guess i did a poor job describing the software idea in the 5 paragraph essay.

"Yeah, I was just trying to say a quick statement. But, I think it is pretty clear from reading Acts, Galatians, and noting what the Ebionites said of Paul to put him in a certain light that was sort of hidden or reworked to make him seem like part of the original "gang". James didn't seem to trust him and James was universally considered the head of the group based in Jerusalem. The Ebionites or "Jewish Christians" were said to have a tradition where Paul was considered a liar and subversive to original "Way". Acts seems to indicate that the Jamesian group didn't defend the Hellenizer faction too much, and certainly seemed to not respect Paul, making him perform a nazarite ritual to prove loyalty to the Law. "

This would be hard to prove on a forum like this. This is the job for a historian and i don't have the type of schedule to become an historian. Ofcourse following the logic i just said some one would have to ask why i'm a christian. When Paul says grace is by faith by argument is if you got saved today and Jesus thought you might lose your salvation in 10 years i believe Jesus would kill me, you or whoever today. I do not believe the book of James nor Paul's letters contradict each other.

In order for you to prove that or for me to prove that i think you are wrong we would both have to read many books and do several years of study. In my opinion the writings of Paul very finely compliment what Jesus wrote. I believe Jesus came across as rational and i also believe Paul came across as rational. The old testament has things to say also that would both agree with what was said about Jesus in the new testament and as well what Paul said.

alright i thought about it again and i see what your saying as to how it has nothing to do with the question.

i feel that you took what i said out of context. Personally i believe somethings in reality are extremely loosely connected and somethings are very tightly connected.

Actually thats pretty much how i feel about it. I think many christian pastors in america and possibly elsewhere are so lazy to put actual relevant content in their message that they just call everything they don't like the term religion. i dont think it would hurt the christian church if more pastors got a second job. That may be unbibilical but i believe we live in desparate times.