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  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    There are some coincidences here and there, but perhaps nothing illegit.

    • The Kremlin backs Orbán (Hungary)
    • Orbán (Hungary) backs The Heritage Foundation
    • The Heritage Foundation pushes Project 2025
    • The Trump administration and Project 2025 overlap

    Both Trump/Vance and Orbán periodically whine and complain about Europe / the EU, for example. (As well as Putin.) While critique is welcome, crap has been seen going beyond that. Is there a momentum of sorts towards alignment of sorts (or attempted anyway)?

    • PM Orbán takes part in panel discussion in Washington (— Government of Hungary · Mar 8, 2024)
    • How Orban Became Putin’s Pawn (— Foreign Policy · Jul 11, 2024)
    • Hungarian government proxy is spending a fortune to influence public opinion in the US (— Atlatszo · Oct 23, 2024)
    • Why is Hungary’s Viktor Orban cozying up to both Putin and Trump? (— New York Post · Mar 2, 2025)
    • Autocracy, Corruption, and Decline: Why Hungary and Orbanism Must Never be a Model for the U.S. (— Just Security · Jun 30, 2025)
    • U.S. science and universities are becoming political hostages in the Orbánization of knowledge (— STAT · Sep 2, 2025)

    Much more importantly, what's your take, anything to see here? (Could be faces in the clouds.)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Continuing from earlier comments ...

    SECURITY COUNCIL LIVE: Push for peace in Ukraine could rapidly fade if large-scale Russian attacks continue
    — UN · Aug 29, 2025
    The assault of “629 airborne weapons” killed 25 people — including 4 children — and wounded 63 more, said Yulia Svyrydenko, including a girl “not yet three years old, born under Russian shelling in October 2022, and killed by Russian shelling in August 2025”.
    Strikes also damaged the European Union Delegation and British Council premises - diplomatic sites, not military targets - “deliberate acts of terror”, she said, demanding stronger air defence and long-range capabilities to protect civilians, alongside tougher sanctions to deprive Moscow of funds for its war.
    Citing the Russian Federation’s systematic abduction of children, forced adoption and identity erasure, she said: “Russia kills children from a distance with missiles and drones, and those who fall under its control it steals.”
    She urged the Council to act, insisting that peace requires both bolstering its defence and intensifying pressure on Moscow until it shows genuine willingness to negotiate, stressing: "Aggression must be punished, never rewarded."
    — Yulia Svyrydenko
    Such attacks targeted Ukraine’s military-industrial complex, including arms depots, airfields and UAV factories, not civilians, said the Russian Federation’s speaker.
    Rather, civilian deaths resulted from Ukrainian air defences placed in residential areas, he said, stressing Kyiv is “shamelessly and criminally” using Ukrainians as human shields and such tragedies are “intentionally whipped up to blame the deaths of Ukrainian civilians on Russia,” to secure more Western arms and sanctions.
    Moscow further accused the West of hypocrisy, ignoring Ukrainian drone and missile attacks on Russian Federation cities that, it said, killed and wounded scores of civilians in late August. The West’s selective blindness undermines its credibility, while reiterating demands for security guarantees that address the Russian Federation's concerns. He also accused Kyiv of “skyrocketing human rights violations”.
    On the Alaska Summit, he said the Russian Federation remains open to negotiations, but only on terms that exclude North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) expansion and recognize Russian interests, accusing Kyiv of blocking compromise and pursuing “PR over diplomacy”.
    — Dmitry Polyanski
    “These are not military targets. Aerial attacks in massive waves on densely populated urban areas with explosive weaponry have no justification,” Slovenia’s representative said.
    Reiterating condemnation of intensified attacks “while peace in Ukraine is being discussed”, she said they represent a blatant violation of international humanitarian law and “must not go unpunished”.
    “2025 is rapidly becoming the deadliest year of this war,” she said, stressing: “We need to refocus our discussions on stopping the bloodshed. We need an immediate and unconditional ceasefire.”
    — Ondina Blokar Drobič

    :chin:
    Well, yes, something doesn't add up, though at least it consistently doesn't add up; in this UN forum, I guess all that can be done is calling it out.
    House Trump was silent in this round, as far as I know (2025Feb21, 2025Apr15, 2025Jun17); busy at home (2025Aug12, 2025Aug29).
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    More crap from the clown entourage...

    Stephen Miller: The Democratic Party is a 'domestic, extremist organization' (Fox · Aug 25, 2025 · 5m:5s)

    Well then, now that it's been broadcast by a government official, what will happen next (if anything)?

    Stephen Miller Yells About American ‘Killing Field’ in Unhinged Rant (Daily Beast · Aug 26, 2025)
    Stephen Miller rants about ‘killing field’ in Chicago as he appears to liken city crime to Cambodian Genocide (The Independent · Aug 26, 2025)
    Taking Stephen Miller Seriously. And Literally. (Charlie Sykes · Aug 29, 2025)
    Stephen Miler called Democratic Party a 'domestic, extremist organization' (just double-checking · Snopes · Aug 30, 2025)

    Should be passed off as Trump-style ramblings, though I suspect some will pick it up.
    What's your take?

    Reichstag fire (— 1933)
    Shelling of Mainila (— 1939)
    Zersetzung (— 1970s—1980s)
    "False positives" scandal (— 1988—2014)
    Domestic Military Deployments after Trump v. United States (— Chris Mirasola · University of Houston Law Center · Nov 13, 2024 — Aug 19, 2025)
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    I was thinking about taking bets on whether Trump will double down on his RFK Jr appointment. :D
    (He'll either stay, or quietly be asked to resign for some reason they find plausible, is my guess.)

    White House says ousted CDC director Susan Monarez was 'not aligned' with President Trump's mission (— ABC · Aug 28, 2025 · 1m:21s)
    Look, what I will say about this individual is that her lawyer's statement made it abundantly clear themselves that she was not aligned with the president's mission to make America healthy again. — Leavitt


    Make America Healthy Again

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    Monarez is better aligned with the slogan than Trump and RFK Jr together
  • Backroads of Science. Whadyaknow?
    Yaay :up: :)

    A new cancer vaccine just wiped out tumors in mice
    — University of Florida · Aug 19, 2025
  • Fascista-Nazista creep?
    Some have used Guenther's writings to argue that politicians are out of touch and gotta' go.

    Political Representation Gaps and Populism
    — Laurenz Guenther · Toulouse School of Economics · Sep 30, 2022 — Aug 18, 2025
    Representation gaps and the rise of populism
    — Laurenz Guenther · The Conversation · Feb 3, 2025

    So, politicians and population don't match up, and "right-wing populists fill the cultural representation gap".
    Like en vogue fashion, populism may go wherever the wind blows.
    A populist leader then can't be expected to be principled; concern for truth, morals, whatever takes a back seat.
    They can instead take culture wars for a ride (in the front seat), and have (loud) us-versus-them attitudes reign; convenient for adversaries.
    When populism is a weakness of humanity, it becomes a weakness of democracy.

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  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    4 CDC leaders resign over ‘weaponizing of public health’ (— The Hill · Aug 27, 2025)

    Beyer: Trump Must Fire Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (— Don Beyer · Aug 28, 2025)

    No sh¦t. And a few others. How much longer before RFK Jr gets a cab home? And a few others. Hold the administration accountable.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    How to erode long-standing friendship/trust

    U.S. Orders Intelligence Agencies to Step Up Spying on Greenland (— Wall Street Journal · May 6, 2025)

    France summons US ambassador over antisemitism claims (— Courthouse News · Aug 25, 2025)

    Denmark summons US envoy over suspected influence operations in Greenland (— Reuters · Aug 27, 2025)

    EDIT

    Rumors will have it that the Trump administration has been doing crap in Alberta, Canada; though being rumors, they've become more credible
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Obama, Trump, whoever, brought up for Europe (and Canada) to carry its NATO weight, as it were.
    Defense increase seems to be happening, however scary.

    Will war in Ukraine mark a new era for European defence research? (— Nature · Aug 17, 2022)
    Europe needs to spend more on defence, not just pretend to (— The Economist · Mar 20, 2025)
    French Automaker to Mass Produce MBDA’s ‘One Way Effector’ Missile (— DefenseMirror · Jun 15, 2025)
    Europe builds for war as arms factories expand at triple speed (— Financial Times · Aug 12, 2025)

    Russia might find itself well outgunned in Ukraine (+ deterrence works), but I'd suggest not forgetting more sanctions.

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    Pleasantries:

    Chinese President Xi Jinping sends independence day greetings to Ukraine (— SCMP · Aug 25, 2025)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Russia’s top diplomat says Zelensky can’t sign Ukraine war peace deal because he’s ‘illegitimate’ (— New York Post · Aug 24, 2025)
    secure elections can not take place with the ongoing war against Russia

    He's legitimate. (Can the same be said for Putin?)

    Q: "This past weekend, Sergey Lavrov was saying that Putin will not sign a peace deal with Zelensky because Russia views him as illegitimate."
    President Trump: "It doesn't matter what they say. Everybody's posturing. It's all bullshit."
    — CSPAN · Aug 26, 2025

    According to one commentator, the Kremlin's push is like a Trojan horse.

    • would buy them time
    • would give them an easy excuse to withdraw from negotiations at any time
    • besides, they could always claim that such an election was illegitimate

    Seems safe enough to say that the Kremlin does not† particularly have peace in mind.
    Rather, colonization‡ at the expense of Russians and Ukrainians (and North Koreans).


    † (some chronological evidence) 2014, 2014, 2019, 2019, 2022, 2022, 2023, 2023, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025

    ‡ (some chronological evidence) 2020, 2022, 2022, 2023, 2023, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2024, 2025, 2025
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    to get his opponents to defend flag burning — NOS4A2

    Intentionally going for division/polarization/vitriol?

    (division favors adversaries, collaboration favors the cooperators)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Emphasis mine ...

    As the President of the United States, I will stand up to Countries that attack our incredible American Tech Companies. Digital Taxes, Digital Services Legislation, and Digital Markets Regulations are all designed to harm, or discriminate against, American Technology. They also, outrageously, give a complete pass to China's largest Tech Companies. This must end, and end NOW! With this TRUTH, I put all Countries with Digital Taxes, Legislation, Rules, or Regulations, on notice that unless these discriminatory actions are removed, I, as President of the United States, will impose substantial additional Tariffs on that Country's Exports to the U.S.A., and institute Export restrictions on our Highly Protected Technology and Chips. America, and American Technology Companies, are neither the “piggy bank” nor the “doormat” of the World any longer. Show respect to America and our amazing Tech Companies or, consider the consequences! Thank you for your attention to this matter.
    DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    — Donald J. Trump · Aug 25, 2025

    It's unclear what that will mean for ...

    Russian attack on western Ukraine hits an American factory during the US-led push for peace (— AP · Aug 21, 2025)

    What do you think will come of it (if anything)?
    What should come of it (if anything)?
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Do people out there really just swallow all this?

    Despite a very high popularity and, according to many, among the greatest 8 months in Presidential History, ABC & NBC FAKE NEWS, two of the worst and most biased networks in history, give me 97% BAD STORIES. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY ARE SIMPLY AN ARM OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AND SHOULD, ACCORDING TO MANY, HAVE THEIR LICENSES REVOKED BY THE FCC. I would be totally in favor of that because they are so biased and untruthful, an actual threat to our Democracy!!! MAGA — Donald J. Trump · Aug 24, 2025

    Unsubstantiated postulates (as usual) just in that post:
    • very high popularity (self-appraisal)
    • according to many, among the greatest 8 months in Presidential History (self-appraisal)
    • ABC, NBC
      • FAKE NEWS × 2
      • worst and most biased networks in history
      • 97% BAD STORIES × 2
      • ARM OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY × 2
      • SHOULD, ACCORDING TO MANY, HAVE THEIR LICENSES REVOKED BY THE FCC
      • biased and untruthful × 2
      • threat to our Democracy × 2

    I'd like to see some substantiation.
    After all, it's from the person in the top position of the US.
    Until substantiated, it reads like accusations that are confessions ("biased and untruthful").
    And attacks on free speech.
  • Free Speech - Absolutist VS Restrictive? (Poll included)
    Does that count as free speech, or, more generally, free expression?

    Is flag burning protected speech? What to know about Trump's order (— BrieAnna J Frank, Bart Jansen · USA TODAY · Aug 25, 2025)
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    , you can click on your name (
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    ) to find the older post. The current Gaza situation is a humanitarian disaster. (If I remember right, Biden started putting pressure on Netanyahu.)
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪BitconnectCarlos
    , were you thinking of this (poster)?

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    I'm in. I'm not on board with the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Not that anything here is about me, though.

    Why has Donald Trump not spoken out about the famine in Gaza? | Inside Story (— Al Jazeera · Aug 25, 2025 · 27m:55s)

    As mentioned before, there's more than one problem, ongoing existential threat to Israel, ongoing injustices to Palestinians, ... Apparently, many can't see one for the other.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump keeps pulling this one ...

    This dire public safety crisis stems directly from the abject failures of the city's local leadership… — Donald J. Trump · Aug 11, 2025
    Crime stats in big blue cities are fake. The real rates of crime, chaos & dysfunction are orders of magnitude higher.
    Everyone who lives in these areas knows this. They program their entire lives around it.
    Democrats are trying to unravel civilization. Pres Trump will save it.
    — Stephen Miller · Aug 12, 2025
    the stats that they gave because they turned out to be a total fraud
    the real stats, the stats went through the roof
    — President Trump calls Washington, DC crime stats a 'fraud' amid crime decrease · WUSA9 · Aug 13, 2025
    D.C. gave Fake Crime numbers in order to create a false illusion of safety. This is a very bad and dangerous thing to do, and they are under serious investigation for so doing! Until 4 days ago, Washington, D.C., was the most unsafe “city” in the United States, and perhaps the World. Now, in just a short period of time, it is perhaps the safest, and getting better every single hour! People are flocking to D.C. again, and soon, the beautification will begin! — Donald J. Trump · Aug 18, 2025

    What are the supposed real, (magnitude) higher numbers that he's using for comparison?
    It's a standard case of "Put up or shut up", especially before doing anything.

    Furthermore, he keeps pulling it (msn) and the population, including many politicians, keep tolerating it; where are the responses with potential consequences?
    Further furthermore, the number of False or misleading statements by Donald Trump keep increasing, which was record-setting some time ago (also check CNN / Colbert from 2020).
    Regress for all to see; I'm sure US adversaries are delighted, and the Trumpists appear oblivious.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    they're all funded by the US department of state — Tzeentch

    Nope. They have all kinds of funding, some including from the US State Department, the Economist Intelligence Unit mostly from revenue, ... It varies, yet these freedom type results are fairly similar. You can also find methodologies.
  • Climate Change
    Sea-level projections from the 1990s were spot on, study says
    — Phys.org · Aug 22, 2025

    The "accelerating" part is a downer. (Is that still a word?)

    Evaluating IPCC Projections of Global Sea-Level Change From the Pre-Satellite Era
    — Earth's Future · Aug 22, 2025

    Probabilistic reconstruction of sea-level changes and their causes since 1900
    — Earth System Science Data · Jul 31, 2024

    How would more moving water in circulation manifest (in everyday life)? Low islands getting smaller seems a safe bet. Low fields becoming lakes? I'm guessing more flash floods in some places.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    How public lying can work:

    Feb 27, 2014 · Little green men (Russo-Ukrainian War) (— various via Wikipedia)

    Feb 26, 2019 · From 'Not Us' To 'Why Hide It?': How Russia Denied Its Crimea Invasion, Then Admitted It (— Carl Schreck · Chizhov, Putin, Shoigu · RFE/RL)

    Feb 20, 2022 · Moscow Has No Plans for Aggression, Has Never Attacked Anyone In Its History, Kremlin Spokesman Says (— Ilya Tsukanov · Peskov · Sputnik)

    Feb 24, 2022 · Russian invasion of Ukraine (— various via Wikipedia)

    Plausible deniability or unactionability for a while, until exposed or otherwise unfeasible, just long enough.
    I guess there's no accountability for such lying, apart from distrust perhaps.
    (The domestic audience is a bit more puzzling.)
    In this case, all on Putin's watch.

    When       Putin
    1999—2000  (acting president)
    2000—2004  1st presidential term
    2004—2008  2nd presidential term
    2008—2012  (prime minister)
    2012—2018  3rd presidential term
    2018—2024  4th presidential term
    2024—      5th presidential term
    
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Tzeentch
    , you've repeated that already and have already gotten responses. As to my comment, should I take that as a "Yes" + a "No", then?
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪frank
    , globalization has already happened in whatever ways. Goods-versus-bads is apparently a hot topic in some circles. Blanket globophobia is a wee immature, though.

    ↪frank
    , nah. But the Kremlin is on it; age-old strategy. Distrust in Trump's US doesn't mean mutual distrust throughout (if that's what you were seeing); in fact, it can lead to increased cooperation/collaboration/bonding elsewhere.

    ↪NOS4A2
    , any relation to Michael?
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Leavitt: Countries 'respect the United States again' (— NBC · Aug 19, 2025 · 49s) (via Fox)

    All countries around this world actually respect the United States again — Leavitt

    Not really. Though some have learned how to entertain him (including Putin by the way).

    US popularity collapses worldwide in wake of Trump’s return (— POLITICO · May 12, 2025)
    China now more popular worldwide than the US
    U.S. Image Declines in Many Nations Amid Low Confidence in Trump (— Pew · Jun 11, 2025)
    Low confidence in Trump in most countries surveyed
    'Never been lower': Trump's approval among Republicans rapidly declining due to this issue (— AlterNet · Aug 13, 2025)
    Economist-YouGov survey revealed Wednesday that President Donald Trump's approval among Republicans and Republican-leaning voters has slipped
    The decline is driven by a 17-point plunge among independents, who give the president a 29 percent approval rating. His numbers with the group have never been lower.

    and the president is using the might of American strength to demand that respect — Leavitt

    Not Putin. They instead continued bombing Ukraine (and went after Trump's coveted minerals earlier for that matter). The clown apparently never learns.

    Bad statement. Perhaps not that surprising, though, given the record-setting number of false or misleading statements by Donald Trump (CNN / Colbert from 2020). Additionally, their endless crap could undermine trust for years (and years). Who benefits? Putin's Russia, other adversaries.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Tzeentch
    , Washington (again)? Are you claiming that the reports are all plain wrong?
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Tzeentch
    , oddly enough, such reports tend to come out of places with sufficient freedom and review. Go figure. You're free to call them a collective of conspiratorial liars. :snicker:

    V-Dem Institute, World Justice Forum, MaxRange, Bertelsmann Stiftung, Freedom House, Academic Freedom, Economist Group, Heritage Foundation + Wall Street Journal, Reuters + Oxford, Reporters Without Borders, Transparency International, Foundation for the Advancement of Freedom, CIRIGHTS Data Project

    I’m not clicking on your links, bub. — NOS4A2

    Too bad.

    One day you’ll just have to make an argument. — NOS4A2

    Point already made ("Don't be surprised").
  • Ukraine Crisis
    People trying to "boycott" peace out of sheer spite for Trump is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on this forum. :rofl: — Tzeentch

    That's what you see?

    Not supporting the Ukrainians trying (despite getting sh¦t all over again and again), wrestling free from their old northern shadow, standing up against invasion + land-grabbery, sovereignty of Ukraine, calling out Kremlin aggression + bullsh¦ttery, defending democratization, resisting Russification (≠ Russophobia) + Russian regress/oppression/colonization, whatever ...?

    Hm.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    You think Orbán (2024, 2025) and Fico (2024, 2025) are down with trading Hungary and Slovakia for Ukraine?
    A territory swap, an exchange, perhaps accompanied by something else?
    "The moment of truth, sir, and sir." :)
    The Kremlin circle might, maybe; well, surely they would consider it, neighbors right in the middle of Europe (yummm), though still at some distance from Transnistria and the coveted Odesa.
    Trump might eye a few Mar-a-Hungakia business opportunities (Putin can remove obstacles :up:).
    Hungary and Slovakia would be leaving the EU and NATO, presumably.
    The rest of Europe might object; well, to Russian forces moving in at least.

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    Now back to the real world, apologies for the distraction.

    Some of these predictions are (still) accurate enough, others are somewhat off:

    Vladimir Putin Could Be Laying a Trap (via yahoo)
    — Jonathan Lemire · The Atlantic · Aug 12, 2025
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Speaking of freedom,
    ↪NOS4A2
    , here's a list from higher to lower:

    ▸ Norway, Australia, United States, South Korea, Singapore, Russia, North Korea

    • Interactive map

    • Bertelsmann Stiftung Transformation Index (focuses on change/trajectory, part of the picture)

    Don't be surprised when there are objections to Trump's circus helping the proliferation of the lower.

    EDIT

    Can't distinguish the governance of, say, Solberg and Putin? Lincoln and Stalin? Macron and Mussolini?
    Well, if you can't differentiate, then that's on you (or on cognitive/intellectual inadequacy).
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Banno
    , that makes it 20 years before the new tsar broke their own law along with the agreement you mention.
    Add Trump's Crimea Declaration of 2018, and whatever.
    So, rules out the window, and orange-flavored appeasement?
    Doesn't look promising.

    Anyway, there's this tedious list of oddities on Trump and Putin's relationship.
    Trump wrote "STOP" to Putin, and "CRAZY" about Putin, on his platform, and then...? Back to the old buddy-appeasement.
    Bizarrely, after one of Medvedev's ramblings, Trump sent two submaries.
    Mentioned list of oddities, Fiona Hill, various Kremlin (and a higher number of other Russian) comments/reactions, volte-faces like the above — taken together — is evidence to suggest that Trump has a hole in his understanding, or something.

    The Trump circus has seen some incompetence.
    RFK Jr might be the clearest example.
    Witkoff is another (via upolitics, via thedailybeast, Niall Ferguson via instagram or facebook; via cnn or tass).
    ...
  • Ukraine Crisis
    :up: to Melania if the reports are accurate:

    Melania Trump Letter to Putin Handed Over in Alaska (— Newsweek · Aug 16, 2025)

    Trump

    • cut tracking of kidnapped Ukrainian children
    • blocked aid approved by Congress
    • disbanded sanctions enforcement
    • opposed oil price cap at G7
    • paused intelligence sharing to Ukraine
    • voted against a UN resolution condemning the aggression
    • provided Putin a boost in Alaska, red carpet too
    • re-confirmed his odd affinity for Putin

    Something's off, but what? Personality quirk or something?

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    Artwork by Alesha Stupin
  • Ukraine Crisis
    FYI, here's how some Russians took the Trump-Putin meeting:

    Had a successful summit in Alaska...
    If you read "between the lines":
    1) Ukrainians and Europeans need to screw themselves now, if they have enough money and will, and the United States is no longer their helper
    2) The bosses obviously coordinated the road map of events for the convergence of the two countries
    3) among other things, the United States will reduce its armed presence in Europe
    4) the key issues of the convergence will be large joint economic projects, perhaps the creation of a joint infrastructure fund of direct investment for this purpose, and on the Russian side the contribution will be made by frozen assets (interesting what Europeans can do about it )
    5) Since Trump is not "out of control", Russia will help slowing down Israel's ambitions
    Next meeting in Beijing in two weeks with a little
    — Michael Getman · Aug 16, 2025
    Александр Рудько and how do you imagine the "destruction of the United States"? — Ola Ivanova · Aug 17, 2025
    Оля Иванова Civil war, the overthrow of the elites and 50 independent states as a result — Alexander Rudko · Aug 17, 2025

    Not much new I guess...

    Trump could trigger a financial crisis in Russia — if he wants to — but has backed off from his threat of ‘very severe consequences’
    — Jason Ma · Fortune · Aug 16, 2025
    Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal
    — Edward Helmore, Pjotr Sauer · Guardian · Aug 16, 2025
  • The Musk Plutocracy
    ↪Wayfarer
    , "Leave no one behind" has taken a new meaning under Trump: fire specialists, hire loyalists.

    Musk later turned less loyal, it seems. :grin:
  • The Musk Plutocracy
    ↪Wayfarer
    , for a while, I was waiting for DOGE to raise cases of fraud and crimes, like they advertised, with much cheering from the Trumpists, but I gave up waiting. Do you know what (if anything) has materialized?
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    :D

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    (please delete if inappropriate)
  • The Christian narrative
    I continue to be impressed by the amount of gymnastics to try making sense of such religious text/creed.

    Way back in school, we were doing formal proofs, so we were given exercises and their answers, and had to fill in the proofs, "Solve this-and-that", except one of the answers was intentionally wrong. One student then kept retrying until they got the given, but wrong answer. I don't recall how many sheets of paper they used, just that they also arrived at the right answer. :)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Wouldn't be the first time anyway ...

    Putin’s warlord ally flying migrants into Europe (via yahoo)
    — Joe Barnes · The Telegraph · Aug 9, 2025

    Not the only kind of hostility (has come up before in the thread). Nice peaceful people, eh?
  • The Christian narrative
    ↪Leontiskos
    , I'm not sure it's so ... "non-mysterious". ;)

    It's not like scientific efforts to reconcile quantumatics and relativity, which are inherently open to something entirely different. Reality is to tell its own story, if you will.

    The Jews don't put much divine stock in Jesus; he wasn't the Messiah according to them. Christians call Him God. Muslims say He was another prophet, superseded by Muhammad, and that Christianity has been polluted. I guess the Mormons roughly want to align with the Christians, but the Catholics (in particular) disown them. These are parts of the Abrahamic storylines and things that adherents believe and proclaim.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Malevolent vs. benevolent dispositions and conservative political ideology in the Trump era
    — Craig S Neumann, Darlene A Ngo · Journal of Research in Personality · Jul 21, 2025

    :D

    This Study Finds a Chilling Link Between Personality Type and Trump Support (— Tudor Tarita, Mihai Andrei · ZME Science · Jul 30, 2025)
  • The Christian narrative
    I guess no one wanted to take up Hanover's comment?

    Yes, that's something of the idea. — Leontiskos

    The perennialists sometimes bring up the parable of the blind men and an elephant.
    Might be better suited for pluralism.
    A conjunction of religious faiths does not leave much behind anyway.
  • Donald Trump (All Trump Conversations Here)
    Did Trump accomplish something...?

    U.S. secures strategic transit corridor in Armenia-Azerbaijan peace deal (— Steve Holland, Ross Colvin, Lincoln Feast · Reuters · 2025 Aug 7)

    Naturally, it's to be called "The Trump Route". :D

    Maybe Gamaleya will get foreign investors:

    Cancer cure? Russia commences human trials of revolutionary personalized cancer vaccine (— The Economic Times · Aug 2, 2025)

    RFK Jr. announces end to some mRNA contracts, including for flu, covid (— The Washington Post · Aug 6, 2025)
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