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  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Some nervousness in New York

    Intel bulletin says terror groups are calling on supporters to target U.S., Israeli interests amid Israel-Hamas conflict
    — Catherine Herridge, Nicole Sganga · CBS · Oct 18, 2023

    Protesters clashing was reported earlier
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Putin Outlines What Makes a 'True World Leader'
    — Brendan Cole · Newsweek · Oct 17, 2023

    This is what distinguishes a true world leader from the people we call temporary caretakers, who come for five minutes to show off on the international platform, and then disappear just as quietly. — Putin

    Apart from Gerashchenko's comments, is this ↑ also a sneaky way of justifying "extending" his (and Xi's) presidency...? :)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    The Russian losses at Avdiivka are grim. And yet another "deadline" has been set to secure the Donbas. I don't see how Russia's ability for offensive operations can recover, and yet clearly the calculus is that "more must be taken to make it worth it." — Count Timothy von Icarus

    Unverified as far as I know:

    From Kyiv in 3 days to a "deficit in body bags in Donetsk": Russian volunteer urgently needs help with purchasing corpse bags for soldiers currently assaulting in Avdiivka. They also need food, but this must only come in closed packages, because "you don't know if someone's going to add something to it". (@wartranslated · Oct 13, 2023 · 1m)

    :o
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Echarmion
    , there's plenty of blame to go around.
    (By the way, the thread established a while back that "Everyone bad". :grin:)
    Sometimes the road to hell is paved with good intentions; not trying at all is worse.

    So, anyway, to what end?

    There isn't an international conspiracy out to delete Russia(n culture), unlike the Kremlin trying to ditch Ukrainian culture (has also come up in the thread before).
    In this context, I'd be less concerned with McDonald's spreading all over sort of like a "capitalist virus" or "fυkɘrs stealing our women", and more concerned with democracy transparency freedom versus regression authoritarianism oppression.
    Opposing a "No" to the latter facilitates the latter.

    North and South Korea, East and West Germany, Russia and Finland, ... Also China and the Uyghurs, theocracy and ceremonial constitutional monarchy, ...

    3 lawyers arrested, 2 fled the country:

    Navalny lawyer flees Russia, leaving opposition leader alone in court
    — Robyn Dixon · Washington Post · Oct 17, 2023

    Not looking good for that guy.
  • Absolute nothingness is only impossible from the perspective of something
    The phrase "absolute nothingness" can't refer to anything (including constraints), right?
    A contradiction could be ontologizing/reifying "absolute nothingness"?
  • Climate change denial
    New map visualizes entire 2023 wildfire season in Canada, the worst on record
    — The Weather Network · Oct 15, 2023 · 1m:3s
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪javi2541997
    , double down on "not be accepted in any possible way" and "didn't do anything", eh? :snicker: But, hey, we'll see, can't predict the future.

    ↪Mikie
    , oddly enough perhaps, the argument Stephen Cohen put forth (presumably on behalf of the Russian population) is more or less what you hear from nationalists (and some conservatives) regarding refugees and immigrants in many countries. Conversely, it's not so much what you hear from the population in Eastern European NATO member countries.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪javi2541997


    [...] into the EU if [...]

    2014 EU-Ukraine Association Agreement signed
    2017 EU-Ukraine Association Agreement in effect
    2022 EU Accession of Ukraine application
    2022 EU Accession of Ukraine candidacy accepted

    Progress on 7 required reforms 2022 Feb 28 - 2023 Jun 22 (wartime)
    1. Constitutional Court   Good progress
    2. Judicial governance    Completed
    3. Anti-corruption        Some progress
    4. Anti-money laundering  Some progress
    5. De-oligarchisation     Some progress
    6. Media legislation      Completed
    7. National minorities    Some progress
    
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Also check "demilitarization" (and "deNazification") demands. It's not about NATO specifically, it's about the Kremlin having control (or ownership). NATO is the most visible and (perhaps) likely to get in the way of that, though others could have.
    Additionally, Ukraine wouldn't be accepted into the EU if there was a genocide going on. They've gotten their share of attention/spotlight lately, historical and otherwise.
    These coincide:
    • Euromaidan + the Revolution of Dignity;
    • Russian military operations in Donbas, preceded by Russian "preparations" and other operations ⁽²⁰¹⁴ ²⁰¹⁵ ²⁰¹⁶ ²⁰¹⁸ ²⁰¹⁹ ²⁰²² ²⁰²² ²⁰²²⁾;
    • Russian accusations of genocide in Donbas;
    • "green men" in Crimea.
    Contours of (planned) moves of the largest country around, by Kremlin decree, more so than of Russian "defense" against NATO specifically.
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    I don't think one can uniquely declare one party good and the other evil in this conflict that's been going on for ages.

    George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
    — Ewen MacAskill · The Guardian · Oct 7, 2005
    :D
    By the way
    Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian prime minister, who was also part of the delegation at Sharm el-Sheikh, told the BBC programme that Mr Bush had said: "I have a moral and religious obligation. I must get you a Palestinian state. And I will." — Ewen MacAskill · The Guardian · Oct 7, 2005

    So this is what things look like in Gaza at the moment (google can translate Spanish as needed)...

    The complete siege complicates the lives of Gazans in the Strip dodging the bombs
    — Euronews · Oct 12, 2023
    What have we done to them? Look at the destroyed houses. Nobody has warned us. We are civilians. What have we done to them? — Hassan Zidane (Store Owner, Gaza)

    I'm guessing a few feel like Zidane among both parties.

    Rubble and debris. No electricity, fuel (e.g. backup generators). Too little running water. Increasingly long food lines. Humanitarian disaster. How many affected? 300,000?

    We reject the practices of killing civilians or abusing them on both sides because they contravene morals, religion and international law. — Mahmoud Abbas · Ali Sawafta, James Mackenzie, Mark Heinrich, Jonathan Oatis · Wafa via Reuters · Oct 12, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    At least 51 civilians killed in Russian missile strike on village in eastern Ukraine, officials say
    — Yulia Drozd, Natalya Kushnir, Oleksiy Pshemyskiy, Tatiana Rymarenko, Tatiana Rymarenko · ABC · Oct 5, 2023
    Vladimir Putin says civilian toll from Israeli ground attack in Gaza would be ‘unacceptable’
    — Reuters via South China Morning Post · Oct 13, 2023

    Paraphrasing Biden to Trump ... Shut up already Pukin.

    Why Russia is engaged in a delicate balancing act in the Israel-Hamas war
    — AP · Oct 12, 2023
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    Map of the initial attacks:

    Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach
    — Michael Biesecker, Sarah El Deeb, Jon Gambrell, Lori Hinnant, Beatrice Dupuy, Aaron Kessler, Fu Ting · AP · Oct 13, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪javi2541997
    , whatever they can use against the invaders. The Kremlin, on the other hand, has grander plans (against "The West" and whatever it all may be).

    (FYI, Oct 10, 2023 comment on the Middle East crisis)

    BBC did not report that Ukraine is sending arms to Hamas, a video was fabricated
    — Philip Marcelo, Hanna Arhirova · AP · Oct 11, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    According to Ukrainian intelligence...

    [...] we clearly know that captured weapons from Ukraine were still transferred by the Russians to the Hamas group. It is mostly infantry weapons.
    There is some information that something was going to Hezbollah, but we don't know for sure at this point.
    Everyone could see the video on social networks - a completely, let's say, natural for our region and completely unnatural for the Middle East tactic, when FPV drones were used against armored vehicles.
    This is the know-how of our war after all. No one other than people who passed through our theater of war could do such a thing. Since we were not there, it means that it was the Russians.
    Two more interesting facts. First: a little more than a week before the start of these actions, the Russian station "Sputnik" began to officially speak in Arabic on the territory of Lebanon. This is broadcast in an absolutely propagandist style with clear Russian narratives.
    Second: on September 24, a Russian spacecraft capable of conducting radio-electronic reconnaissance and intercepting satellite signals was moved to Israel's geostationary orbit.
    Let me remind you that in the period from September 22 to 24, there was an official visit of the Russian military delegation to Iran. We know that there were several, shall we say, wishes from the Iranian side. One of them concerned the expansion of intelligence capabilities.
    It is now clear what intelligence information the Russians began to provide to all interested parties. I emphasize that it is not Iran alone, but all interested parties.
    — Kyrylo Budanov · Roman Kravets, Nazariy Mazilyuk · Ukrainian Pravda · Oct 12, 2023

    Well, it doesn't seem likely that Ukraine would send weapons away.


    The Sky Shield move is a (by)product of, or reaction to, the Russia → Ukraine warring...

    Germany, nine other nations push ahead with joint air defence procurement
    — Sabine Siebold, Bart Meijer, Rod Nickel · Reuters · Oct 11, 2023
    After the Cold War, many NATO allies scaled down the number of air defence units to reflect their assessment that they faced only a limited missile threat, from countries such as Iran.

    19 European countries are in on it at the moment. Defence-oriented only. Concerned with Russia. The Kremlin likely doesn't care much. It does look like the Kremlin is taking or forcing a path to a Cold War II, with some Hot spots, except they've learned from how the last one ended. With a powerful authoritarian Cold War expert at the helm ... appeasement and encouragement (+ proliferation of the authoritarianism) then go hand-in-hand, (re)armament (like Sky Shield) and division and the requisite flaming rhetoric/propaganda/threats go hand-in-hand ...
  • Do science and religion contradict
    ↪Isaiasb
    , sure, well, sort of.
    The scientific methodologies model cumulating evidence.
    Because we don't start out knowing it all.
    Hence electricity in your home, near-realtime worldwide communication over the Internet using complex electronic devices, GPS helping us navigate, cholera control, clean water, exploring Mars with rovers, fair treatments of schizophrenia, diabetes no longer a death sentence, helping paralyzed talk and move, ...
    The most successful epistemic endeavor in human history.
    As to Christianity, I guess, say, the 10 commandments have never changed?
    Ethics and science work differently, though.
    Apparently, Sunnism and Shaivism (among others) are competitors, if you will; can't all be right, but could all be wrong.
    Science moves on regardless.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Mikie
    , just a minor clarification that's come up before in the thread (2023Mar23, 2023Mar3, 2023Feb16, 2022Dec31): ↑ that's what Putin wants others to hear. Hence two additional considerations...

    Similar to what's come up before (2022Mar13, 2022Jul21, 2022Oct8, 2022Nov9), suppose that Ukraine had ... ▸ declared neutrality with respect to international military alliance memberships, formally on paper / constitutionally (2022Mar8, 2022Mar9, 2022Mar11); ▸ retained right to self-defense, e.g. from invaders (shouldn't be controversial), including foreign training and/or weaponry as the case may be; ▸ explicitly stated that others respect sovereignty, self-determination, freedom to seek own path (shouldn't be controversial); ▸ actively pursued EU membership, and perhaps sought other such cooperation ... Something along those lines. — Sep 26, 2023
    As to the former, now suppose that Ukraine had entered a defense agreement with, say, France, the UK, Luxembourg, Australia, South Korea, Japan, whoever, so that Ukraine had a multinational force (+ gear) present, and those countries had Ukrainian forces present. What might we then have expected from the Kremlin? (Say, anything significantly different from what we're seeing today?) — Oct 6, 2023

    Prior on those particular considerations, by the way...

    The way that you phrased your hypothetical, those other countries would be forming a bloc that would function essentially the same as NATO.
    So in that sense it doesn't matter which military bloc or hegemon takes the role of NATO and US respectively, assuming of course there's a credible threat of Russia being kicked out of Ukraine permanently.
    — Oct 7, 2023
    Except it wouldn't. There'd be no NATO expansion involved for example (as linked), but rather a "defense agreement" involving "whoever" (perhaps including China). Okie, so, in this case, we wouldn't expect much difference from the Kremlin from what we're seeing today. (?) — Oct 7, 2023

    Anyway, there's been lots of repetition in the thread (including on the (supposed) NATO-phobia). Maybe that's why we're on page 519 or so. Think we can hit 1K? :) (ok, that's a bit cynical)
  • Do science and religion contradict
    Yes, slap yourself in the face. You will quickly see cause and effect. Seriously, you are questioning logic itself. — ButyDude

    I don't think that's logic, more like metaphysics. I guess causation must have a cause? Notice how neatly ampliative such arguments become. Composition fallacy.
  • Do science and religion contradict
    In/compatibility depends entirely on the religion in question. Science rolls on just the same. Religions can sort of say whatever, science can't. So, uni-directional dependency of in/compatibility.

    -Einstein — Isaiasb
    Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Albert Einstein stated "I believe in Spinoza's God". He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve. He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." In other interviews, he has stated that he thinks there is a "lawgiver" who sets the laws of the universe. Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups. — Religious and philosophical views of Albert Einstein

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    ↑ Scientists and Belief · Pew Research Center · Nov 5, 2009

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    ↑ Preliminary Survey results | What do philosophers believe? (2009)

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    ↑ Survey Results | Philosophers on Philosophy: The 2020 PhilPapers Survey
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    If Israel wanted to fully annihilated Palestine, they could, but they don't. On the other hand, if Palestine could annihilate Israel, they would, but they can't. — Hanover

    That could be the Israelis' main fear/driver. The Palestinians want the Israelis gone, the Israelis don't want the Palestinians gone (to put it in simplistic terms). By and large, the Israelis are surrounded by hostile neighbors (except Saudi Arabia perhaps).

    On the other hand, the WW2-goodwill has roughly been spent by now, with what they've been doing. There are plenty of credible reports — gross and disgusting. Sort of a "victims has become victimizers" type story I guess.

    I'll just suggest a multinational UN force (again), serving multiple purposes, less warring, more transparency, less apartheid, more safety for everyone, ... It's been going on long enough already, over a generation. With a dampened situation, civilians have a chance to get on with life, send kids to school, talks can be accommodated, etc. And any criminals can be summoned to court for all to see in due time. It's just that both parties seem to plainly reject (even considering) that. "Swallow your dumb pride, you've had long enough now."
  • All things Cannabis
    Could be of interest here:

    Cannabis in Canada: Debunking myths about the real impacts of legalization
    — Michael J Armstrong · The Conversation · Oct 9, 2023

    Public "don't drink and drive" ads have been supplemented with "don't smoke and drive" ads. The report doesn't really have anything drastic, though kids might need attention (that's my main takeaway).

    On the other hand ...

    New Zealand passes world-first tobacco law to ban smoking for next generation
    — Tess McClure · The Guardian · Dec 13, 2022

    Oddly enough perhaps, both legislative efforts make some sense.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    A bit odd?

    Some in Congress want to cut Ukraine aid and boost Taiwan’s. But Taiwan sees its fate tied to Kyiv’s
    — Didi Tang · AP · Oct 9, 2023
    Ukraine’s survival is Taiwan’s survival. Ukraine’s success is Taiwan’s success. — Hsiao Bi-khim
    Taiwan has been careful not to weigh in on the U.S. debate about continued funding for Ukraine
    not a zero-sum game — Bradley Bowman

    ... Well, now add the wretched Middle Eastern escalation.

    Other related news ...

    Kremlin-Friendly Hungary Government Wants to Hold Back Some Ukraine Aid
    — Jorge Valero · Bloomberg · Oct 3, 2023
    Slovakia halts military aid for Ukraine as parties that oppose it negotiate to form a new government
    — AP · Oct 5, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪javi2541997


    ↪javi2541997, say what...? — jorndoe

    :brow:
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Speculation that's come up more than once out there, that seems unlikely (to me): Are others eyeing Russian territory? After all, there's so much of it.

    Japan raps Russia's 'illegal occupation' of disputed islets in rally
    — Kyodo News · Feb 7, 2023
    Putin Is Opening A Door For China
    — Alexander Etkind · NOĒMA · Apr 20, 2023
    Kremlin calls Polish decision to rename Kaliningrad 'hostile act'
    — Andrew Osborn · Reuters · May 10, 2023
    Russia may be devoured by its neighbours (archived)
    — Svitlana Morenets · The Telegraph · May 31, 2023
    Explained: Why Has Russia Rejected China's New Map, What All Territorial Disputes Does China Have With Neighbours?
    — Madhur Sharma · Outlook (India) · Sep 4, 2023

    Might Moldova eye Transnistria? What of Kazakhstan? Georgia? Technically possible, but not likely (as far as I can tell anyway). Would certainly...complicate things. (What might Lukashenko do?)

    ↪javi2541997
    , say what...?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    They are free to attempt to get a different type of world. — javi2541997

    To what end? Dictatorship, authoritarianism? Sortition? Democracy?

    For the sake of our children's children, I'll run with the latter. Otherwise ...

    I'll take the tedious task of ruling with an iron fist. — Nov 30, 2022

    Your choice. :up:
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Pavel Gubarev via Anton Gerashchenko on Sep 29, 2023


    I wonder when those guys will declare independence (from Russia in addition to Ukraine), with guarded borders and all that. Maybe it's not in the cards. Anyway, harsh words. I thought the Kremlin was concerned with neo-Nazism, though?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    not sure what else you expect me to say — Tzeentch

    Well, expectations aren't so high I suppose, but at least you did respond to some. Stopping in the middle? Oh well, if you can't/won't.

    What did you think of Stradner's post (Sep 30, 2023)?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Moscow mulling response to EU ban on Russian cars — Russian Foreign Ministry
    — TASS · Oct 4, 2023
    Kremlin angry at Norway joining EU ban on Russian cars
    — Charles Szumski · EURACTIV · Oct 5, 2023
    Nazism — Lavrov
    Nazism — Zakharova

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    Yeah, Norway is Nazist. Not. So, for Putin's team, it takes pseudo-paranoia to avoid addressing why that was implemented (by EU, Norway) in the first place.

    ↪javi2541997
    : "We appreciate your sentiment towards the Old Axis. We will rise again." ;)

    ↪Tzeentch
    , say, there are some marked differences between Kennedy (1917-1963) and Litvinenko (1962-2006). Anything further on those NATO and coup things, by the way?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    FYI, EU and NATO as of 2022 ...

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    Ukraine is currently seeking membership of both, with encouragement from / support of most (a couple or so are uncertain). As far as the war goes, Ukraine has overwhelming UN support. There's a bit that the Kremlin ignores or wants to undo.

    Things have taken some U-turns. [...] — Oct 13, 2022
  • Ukraine Crisis
    The way that you phrased your hypothetical, those other countries would be forming a bloc that would function essentially the same as NATO. [...] — Tzeentch

    Except it wouldn't. There'd be no NATO expansion involved for example (as linked), but rather a "defense agreement" involving "whoever" (perhaps including China). Okie, so, in this case, we wouldn't expect much difference from the Kremlin from what we're seeing today. (?)

    That was the second of the two cases, the first didn't include such an agreement. What might we then have expected from the Kremlin?

    [...] I also wonder how much of that 5 billion was spent on bribes. :sweat: — Tzeentch

    Wonder away. As linked, the Ukrainians were and are looking to Europe rather than Putin's Russia, and are in the process of fulfilling EU membership requirements (despite invasion + being attacked) — democracy, ongoing efforts, hard work. At one extreme, declaring Kyiv a CIA puppet is misrepresentation, for example.

    There have been quality elections in Ukraine since 2014, and they might have been hard to digest for the Kremlin. — Oct 5, 2023

    Anyway, nothing new, these repetitions make things a bit trite.

    EDIT: better links
  • Ukraine Crisis
    I don't use RUTUBE myself; these folk have some unflattering comments:

    Outrage in Russia after Putin's speech. Just look at these comments ← re Valdai 2023 Oct 5
    — MCZ · essanews · Oct 6, 2023

    It's a farce in Russia. They showed maps and everything came to light ← re Sep 30 Russia enlargement
    — PAB · essanews · Oct 5, 2023

    A takeaway is the crackdowns.

    Moldova switches supplier, which might have some economic implications:

    Moldova will no longer buy gas from Russia's Gazprom -RIA cites energy minister
    — Louise Heavens · Reuters via Nasdaq · Oct 2, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    If Ukraine's neutral status were threatened in some other way, we might expect the very same behavior from the Kremlin, especially if no meaningful dialogue takes place. — Tzeentch

    Regardless of NATO (and the US)

    I never said the Maidan coup was "just a US thing", so I'm not sure what misrepresentation you're talking about. — Tzeentch

    A move to democracy against corruption etc

    :up: (un-difficult)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Tzeentch
    , it's not difficult to understand. (+ cross-links included, not hard to find)

    What might we then have expected from the Kremlin? (two cases now) ← fairly specific
    What's up with the repeated misrepresentation anyways?

    Not particularly difficult to understand, but could be difficult to respond to, depending... No matter, if you can't or don't want to. :up:
  • Ukraine Crisis
    I didn't really see much response to the inquiries posed,
    ↪Tzeentch
    ,
    ↪Tzeentch
    . Reads like responding to something else. :/

    As to the former, now suppose that Ukraine had entered a defense agreement with, say, France, the UK, Luxembourg, Australia, South Korea, Japan, whoever, so that Ukraine had a multinational force (+ gear) present, and those countries had Ukrainian forces present. What might we then have expected from the Kremlin? (Say, anything significantly different from what we're seeing today?)

    As to the latter ...
    A "coup"? :chin: — Oct 6, 2023
    Repeatedly calling 2014 just a US thing, ignoring the Ukrainians — like the Putinistas — is repeated misrepresentation. — Oct 6, 2023
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪Tzeentch


    The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government. Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption, abuse of power, human rights violations, and the influence of oligarchs. Transparency International named Yanukovych as the top example of corruption in the world. The violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November caused further anger. Euromaidan led to the 2014 Revolution of Dignity. — Euromaidan

    By the way, that's not the "US–Ukraine Association Agreement", but the EU–Ukraine Association Agreement.

    A "coup"? :chin: If so, then it's the right kind for good reasons, unlike various forceful army takeovers just by would-be dictators with guns, or this, or Jan 6 for that matter. They're now actively seeking to fulfill requirements for EU membership despite being in the middle of a war.

    Indeed, notice that "the amount of money that was spent" wasn't a secret or anything, good point. The Ukrainians (and the UN) said "No" to the Kremlin (repeatedly), which invaded + grabbed land, accused Ukraine of being ruled by a Nazi regime, what-have-you. The Kremlin sort of moves toward a Cold War II, except now having learned from 1991.

    There have been quality elections in Ukraine since 2014, and they might have been hard to digest for the Kremlin. — Oct 5, 2023

    But there's nothing new in the above. Repeatedly calling 2014 just a US thing, ignoring the Ukrainians — like the Putinistas — is repeated misrepresentation.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club · Oct 5, 2023

    Notice the old alternate world type stuff again?

    We have to respond to the constantly growing military-political pressure. I have said more than once that we did not start the so-called “war in Ukraine.” On the contrary, we are trying to finish it. It was not we who organized the coup d’etat in Kyiv in 2014 – a coup d’etat, bloody, unconstitutional. Wherever it happens, we always immediately hear all the world media [mass media], subordinate, first of all, of course, to the Anglo-Saxon world: this is impossible, it is impossible, it is anti-democratic. But here you can. They even named the money, the amount of money that was spent on this coup. Everything is possible.
    [...]
    The war started by the Kyiv regime with the active, direct support of the West is now in its tenth year, and a special military operation is aimed at stopping it. And it reminds us that unilateral steps, no matter who takes them, will inevitably be met with retaliatory actions. Action, as we know, gives rise to reaction. This is what any responsible state, a sovereign, independent and self-respecting country does.
    [...]
    Look, you started with Ukraine and asked me whether it is fair that we publicly declare that we are striving for the denazification of the Ukrainian political system. But now we were just discussing the situation that developed in the Canadian parliament, when the President of Ukraine stood and applauded the Nazi who killed Jews, Russians and Poles.
    — Putin

    Which makes this stuff ironic:

    Unfortunately, we have to admit that our counterparties in the West have lost their sense of reality and have crossed all possible boundaries. In vain. — Putin

    Shift the blame, claim they're doing what you're doing. It's like when Lavrov says "The West" is genocide'ing the Ukrainians, yet it's his military bombing the Ukrainians (ongoingly). Old. The Kremlin ordered the invasion of Ukraine and before that we already know that Russian (military) actors were running some things behind the scenes in Donbas. It's an MO seen elsewhere. There have been quality elections in Ukraine since 2014, and they might have been hard to digest for the Kremlin.

    Listen, everyone here is informed, literate people. It’s a good idea, excuse the bad manners, to fool the minds of millions of people who perceive reality from the media. — Putin

    Incidentally, a mantra of echo-chamber-maids, yet there are lots of people who check what comes out of freedom-deprived societies, Valdai, and whatever else.

    Reports like this have been trickling in for a long time by now from various sources:

    Ombudsman: Russia to open military camp for youth in occupied Crimea
    — Nate Ostiller · The Kyiv Independent via Yahoo · Oct 4, 2023

    Not particularly peace-bound (except for the kind that comes after strife/killing). Gross. Some say it violates international humanitarian law. Would parents want the trajectory for upcoming generations these systematic efforts set out?

    'They're just meat': Russia deploys punishment battalions in echo of Stalin
    — Polina Nikolskaya, Maria Tsvetkova, Christian Lowe, Pravin Char · Reuters · Oct 3, 2023

    Storm-Z Shtrafbats? Wagner mercs are in it for the money; these folks are apparently addicts, riffraff, mentally challenged, ..., "undesirables".
  • Who owns the land?
    Country borders may be artificial in a sense, like money or whatever conventions.
    Yet, what side of a border you live on can matter.
    North and South Korea comes to mind, also Finland and Russia, and maybe the recent Mexico → US migrant stories.
    Arbitrary or not, there can be stark differences, and they matter to the affected people.

    That being said, in a different sense ...
    We have not merely been given the world from our parents, we are also borrowing it from our children. — some African proverb I think
    Ownership is as fleeting as the lifetime of an owner.

    Owning a piece of land won't matter to the owner once they're gone, if you will.
    How the living treats each other is more pertinent, and country borders can mark a difference, which can be fairly important if one such country declares ownership of another.
    UN resolutions aren't binding I think, however, they can indicate some principled decisions that one can look to.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    There seems to be some confusion about trivialities.
    Sometimes crayons can help with geography, attached. :)

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  • Ukraine Crisis
    After the Serb attack on Kosovo police, Stradner wrote:

    Putin is opening up a new front against the West
    — Ivana Stradner · The Telegraph · Sep 30, 2023
    In the face of mounting tensions, Vladimir Putin’s overarching strategic objective is now clear: to dismantle Nato and expose the alliance’s vulnerabilities.
    This plan accomplishes three goals: distract the West from Ukraine, strengthen Moscow’s regional standing, and give Putin leverage over Western powers if they want to keep conflict in the region from escalating.

    We have repeatedly said before that, according to our forecasts, there will be fatigue in this conflict, growing fatigue in various countries from this completely absurd sponsorship of the Kiev regime, including in the United States. This fatigue will lead to a fragmentation of the political leadership and growth of contradictions. — Dmitry Peskov · Reuters · Oct 2, 2023

    I'm noticing some familiar rhetoric coming from Aleksandar Vučić. Hopefully the Balkans won't catch fire, wild- or otherwise. Anyway, the divide and conquer strategy seems evident. Works better if home can be glued together by the likes of strong nationalism, or perhaps an empire-mindset. Is Stradner on point?

    Dmitry Medvedev threatens to strike German missile manufacturing plants
    — Roman Petrenko · Ukrainska Pravda · Oct 1, 2023

    I suppose some would say that the Kremlin and whatever has become "legitimate targets". Who would want to, though? For that matter, ordinarily, why would anyone want to invade Russia? What has Russia in the crosshairs is more like democracy, better transparency, less regression, less oppression, whatever it all is. Maybe that's what's to the (current) Kremlin's disliking? A resolute "rebellion" against a more progressive, open, free, non-irredentist, diverse Russian society?

    The war caused the US/German/Turkish/Australian/other military-industrial complex to make a big buck, not vice versa, the US/German/Turkish/Australian/other military-industrial complex didn't cause the war. The Kremlin continues generous bombing throughout (condemned by the UN and the good baker Jones of upper Negombo, Sri Lanka). As far as I know, that military-industrial complex isn't supplying Russia — supply and demand misaligned — but could be wrong. China, Iran, maybe North Korea, on the other hand...

    That being said, one might easily enough argue that weapons manufacturing is morally questionable, unless for defense. If only all manufacturing of weaponry made for homicide could be intentionally ended, then we (humans) would have made significant (moral) progress, but it only takes one. Defense depends existentially on offense, and they say that "the best defense is a good offense".

    Long sad story. Won't cease or decrease by concessions to land-snacking authoritarians, that systematically indoctrinate a country's children for stark nationalism and war. Crapping on those that aren't cowards or stand up against this crap might be getting a bit too close to complicity for comfort. (Note, Kim Jong Un is taking notes.)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    ↪NOS4A2
    :D Nice photoshop there. Pink, too. Message?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    An embarrassing moment for Trudeau and the Canadian government. Trudeau, Zelensky, and the Ministers of parliament gave a standing ovation to a Ukrainian WW2 veteran in the House of Commons. It turns out he was an actual Nazi, fought for the SS in Ukraine and everything. You can’t make this stuff up. — NOS4A2

    Embarrassing!

    Actually, embarrassment is a good word here, because everyone already knows that Canada isn't ruled by a Nazi regime (or fascist or authoritarian). That won't deter certain parties from using the event as diversion, or to sow mistrust or division, though.
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