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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    They made a deal to move to closing arguments without calling witnesses. Trump’s team threatened to call Pelosi, Harris, and more.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Given their propensity for witch-hunts, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. But it would be unconstitutional and unjust and would set a dangerous precedent.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    That’s not true. At no point did Trump advocate violence, which is a necessary test under the first amendment.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪frank


    It was never about seeking justice.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪creativesoul


    Sorry but Trump’s words are protected by the constitution and do not rise to the level of incitement, let alone incitement to insurrection. This is probably why they never went to criminal trial in the first place.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪frank


    It was a show trial by definition.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The senate acquitted Trump in the Dem’s impeachment show-trial.

  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Biden aide threatens reporter

    During the off-the-record call, Ducklo made derogatory and misogynistic comments, accusing Palmeri of only reporting on his relationship—which, due to the ethics questions that factor into the relationship between a journalist and White House official, falls under the purview of her reporting beat—because she was “jealous” that an unidentified man in the past had “wanted to fuck” McCammond “and not you.” Ducklo also accused Palmeri of being “jealous” of his relationship with McCammond. (Palmeri had no prior relationship or communication with McCammond before calling her to report on the Playbook item, which was a story that she was assigned and had not independently pursued.)

    True to form. The Obama administration was the most censorial administration in recent memory, so it’s no wonder the Biden administration is little different.

    I expect a whole bunch of outrage over such attacks on the free press, but don’t hold your breath.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪frank


    Really? I wouldn't have thought so. But you're probably closer to Russia than to Montreal, right? :razz:

    Probably true, but I live below the 49th parallel.
  • Has Compassion Been Thrown in the Rubbish Bin?
    ↪Jack Cummins


    I think we have plenty compassion going around. There is no shortage of people publicly signalling their compassion about this or that group. But compassion, as a feeling, is nothing if it isn’t followed by good deeds.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei


    Sorry, I disagree.

    ↪frank


    It makes you wonder why he didn’t us the USS Comfort and Javits center field hospital to house those patients. I am almost certain he did it because he didn’t want to give Trump credit.

    Vaccine rollout in Canada is probably the worst in the developed world. The healthcare system and government is also one of the most overrated.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    New York Governor Cuomo hid coronavirus deaths from Trump. They undercounted nursing homes deaths by as much as 50%.

    This after his murderous nursing home policy.

    “Cuomo issued an order that required nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals, as long as they were "medically stable," in order to help free up hospital beds for the sickest patients. Under the policy, nursing homes receiving the patients were barred from testing the patients to see if they might still be contagious.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/cuomos-office-hid-nursing-home-covid-19-data/story?id=75853764

    This is anti-Trumpism at its worst.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei



    Swallwell, who has been compromised by Chinese spies, read her tweet as cavalry, not Calvary. They photoshopped her tweet. But no, let’s not get hung up on the house manager’s lies.

    Lee, who should know what he said, said it was false. They tried to submit circumstantial CNN reports as evidence instead of witnesses. This is what we get: lies.

    Judge, jury and witness. I get to watch as a self-described lawyer dismisses that as if it happens everyday.

    You have nothing.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Metaphysician Undercover


    Do you believe it is possible that when a man says “We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women”, he means this and not mean insurrection?

    Do you believe it is possible that when a man says “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”, this is what he intends and expects, and not insurrection?

    Not only is it impossible, it takes a sheer act of deceit and self-deception to believe otherwise.

    This is why Trump’s opponents and the press refuse to play these quotes in their sound bites, because it cannot be twisted to mean something else. An uncharitable interpretation of someone’s words is evidence of fallacy and personal animus, not of intention or incitement.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Metaphysician Undercover


    But can you incite someone to commit a crime while explicitly telling them to do the opposite? That’s the magical power Trump has.

    But yes you are less guilty. “ Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.”

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪tim wood


    The specific article of impeachment is “incitement to insurrection”. The problem is, as far as I’m aware, no one has been charged with insurrection. So the question is, how can someone be charged with inciting a crime when that crime has never occurred?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Looks like the the Lincoln Project grifters are finally getting their comeuppance after milking anti-Trumpers for millions. I love when they eat their own.

    The Lincoln Project, Facing Multiple Scandals, is Accused by its Own Co-Founder of Likely Criminality
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei


    Photoshopped tweet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6377&v=6uBSR_BiHeE&feature=youtu.be


    Lies about Sen. Mike Lee:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-trial-live-updates/2021/02/10/966638864/much-ado-about-nothing-house-managers-strike-claim-about-gop-senator-from-record

    Video with all exculpatory evidence removed:



    Unconstitutional judge:

    Article 1 section 3 of the constitution:

    "When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside"

    Who is presiding?

    Trifecta of Roles for Leahy: Witness, Juror and Judge in Trump’s Trial
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    The Dems have presented doctored videos, photoshopped tweets, and even outright lied about another senator while he sat there in the room. The reason they are impeaching him for this nonsensical crime and not taking him to criminal court is because a real court would toss this nonsense to the wind the second the prosecutors started speaking.

    But no, in this trial a democrat can preside over the case, be a witness, and sit on the jury at the same time.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist


    It's all good.

    TBH, I was surprised at NOS4A2's response. I stupidly assumed everyone would agree that girl deserved to go to prison.

    The man killed himself, committed suicide, but the girlfriend goes to jail for manslaughter. How do you square that circle?
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Joe Biden’s conflicts of interest keep piling up.

    As Biden’s son-in-law invests in COVID-19 response, questions of family and ethics could resurface

    But he’s lucky the press will handle each and every conflict with kid gloves.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist


    Michelle Carter exercised her free speech by encouraging her boyfriend to kill himself. She didn't kill him, so why should SHE have been punished when she was just exercising her free speech?

    Exactly.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Banno


    Right, keep repeating it it will come true. Democrats are going to invade their own country.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Banno


    It’s a weird conclusion because what Trump was “really saying” (according to the author) is contradicted by what he really said. One can search his entire archive of tweets and not find a single mention of “invaders”. And given that the author’s analysis is restricted to Trump’s tweets, it leaves out a vast amount of rhetoric Trump used elsewhere. So it’s a poor analysis for poor minds.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪The Opposite


    Just what we need: more authoritarian pantywaists in power chilling free speech. This is a show trial in a kangaroo court,
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Nancy Pelosi’s second impeachment trial begins today.

  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Our virtual president was booed at the Super Bowl. The most popular president ever.

  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    ↪frank


    One can say the same of any form of influence. But in this case dark money, corporate interest and media collusion pushed they finger on the scale. “Hey, it worked” isn’t a great answer.
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    This story is quite enlightening and getting a lot of traction. It turns out that there was a vast anti-Trump conspiracy to rig the election.

    The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

    This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”

    That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system’s fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.

    True to form, the anti-Trumpers justify their actions by repeating glittering generalities about “democracy” and convincing themselves their actions would save America from some dire future. It’s a racket, of course. But shadow campaigns, vast sums of dark money, altering election laws, war games, colluding with corporations, big tech and the press to steer information doesn’t seem to me to represent the spirit of democracy.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪Benkei


    The image is in the original document.

    https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/Brian%20McCreary%20Statement%20of%20Facts.pdf

    So I guess you'll believe anything if it fits your worldview and disbelieve it when it doesn't?
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    Biden’s genius FBI included a photoshopped image in their criminal complaint.

  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪frank


    I’m touchy? You’re the one who interjected because I criticized Biden.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪frank


    My father doesn’t sniff little girls.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪frank


    I don’t like Biden at all.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    “But if Trump did this”.... Counterfactual thinking at its most embarrassing. :lol:

    It looks like Joe’s military inauguration and subsequent military occupation of Washington is costing big, tax-payer bucks.

    The cost of deploying about 26,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol in the wake of the deadly Jan. 6 riot is nearly $500 million, U.S. military officials said Thursday.

    https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-4b27fdcda664a919e3eeaa1691c9c785
  • To What Extent Can We Overcome Prejudice?
    ↪Bitter Crank


    As an aside, I took Harvard’s Implicit Bias Test and came away with results showing I have a bias against European Americans. I don’t know how I should feel about those results.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪tim wood


    Yes it is evidence of abuse.

    The speed and amount of executive orders is where the abuse lies.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪Benkei


    Right, it’s not Biden it’s the system. Yet it’s Biden abusing the system. The discussion ended when you went into something something task forces.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪tim wood


    Your method of cleaning toilets is to drop a big coiler in the center of the bowl and smear it about.
  • Joe Biden (+General Biden/Harris Administration)
    ↪Benkei


    Speaking of making shit up as we go along, you couldn’t even get the citation right.

    I read every executive order and proclamation, and have done so for the last few years. I doubt you have, but I don’t mind if you quote a line or two from a “CNN” article in lieu of that.

    The point is this:

    “ In his first two weeks, President Biden has signed more executive orders than most recent presidents did in their first month. He has signed nearly as many executive orders as Franklin Roosevelt did in his record-breaking first month.”

    I would prefer to know what you think about that than be given some red-herring about “task forces”.
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