• Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    He’ll get more done in quarantine than Biden has done in 47 years.
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    Trump goes all over America doing massive rallies and nothing. Spends a little time with a Democrat and he’s infected with covid.
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    They’re idiots, as far as white supremacists go. They don’t even realize that their leader is a black Cuban.
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    I remember Tom Perez, chair of the DNC, suggesting that Republicans are “going to keep forcing millions of Americans to choose between their safety and their vote.”

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/493224-republicans-put-lives-in-danger-to-try-to-steal-an-election-now-they-want-to

    But there is always more:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/the-democrats-vote-by-mail-conundrum/616535/

    What's the problem? It's common practice to dig up dirt on political opponents and to utilize whatever dirt is available (consider Trump's use of Wikileaks, not to mention Stone's coordination with Assange). It WOULD be a problem if the formal Russian investigation by the FBI and Mueller were a product of a political witch-hunt, but the IG has already assessed that and indicated it was not.

    Crossfire Hurricane was set up to investigate whether individuals associated with President Trump's campaign was coordinating with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    The problem is that they investigated the wrong campaign.
  • What is more virtuous: a damaging, burning Truth or an innocuous, velvet Lie?


    One can still express a brutal truth with kindness and respect. Managing a series of lies is a great deal more difficult and stressful than telling the truth. And if the lying is discovered, no matter how courteous, they indict your character.
  • Do People Have Free Will?


    Nothing else developed an allergy to peanuts. Nothing else developed a fear of spiders. So what, then, is responsible?

    I understand the need to define parts of the body for the sake of understanding. But no matter what part of the body we can point to we are still pointing to the body. Though I am able to fathom why a being who cannot see the back of his own head may come to believe he is not the whole, and may identify with some part or other, further examination proves otherwise.
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    Personally, I'm voting in person on election day to ensure my vote is tabulated on that day.

    That’s a good idea. I fear that the whole “it’s dangerous to vote in person” idea is a form of voter suppression, and it’s good to see someone unswayed by it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Great. So if Trump would win the Democrats could argue that the Republicans manipulated the mail-in votes. The same kind of switcheroo that Republicans had with the FBI and Comey as we have seen. Or whatever :shade:

    I’m not sure how they could do that when the place and manner of federal elections is regulated by each state.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    Lmao. And our resident Trumptard is still pushing the same line too.

    Yet your DNC fellow-travellers are beginning to see the error in their ways.

    But you have yet to get the memo. Only about one-hundredth of 1 percent of in-person votes are rejected, whereas rejection rates of 1 percent are common with mail-in votes. If your ballot is rejected your vote doesn’t count.

    And rejected ballots are on the rise. There go all your votes to the trash bin. Brilliant.

    With the coronavirus creating a surge in mail-in balloting and postal delays reported across the country, the number of rejected ballots in November is projected to be significantly higher than previous elections.

    If ballots are rejected at the same rate as during this year’s primaries, up to three times as many voters in November could be disenfranchised in key battleground states when compared to the last presidential election, according to an Associated Press analysis of rejected ballots. It could be even more pronounced in some urban areas where Democratic votes are concentrated and ballot rejection rates trended higher during this year’s primaries.

    https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-top-news-oh-state-wire-az-state-wire-mi-state-wire-881c098ab2847dea9d87604bab9568d6
  • Do People Have Free Will?


    I enjoyed your argument and reading it, but I look at it a little differently.

    I would argue that the conditioning and predispositions are formed by the will. We don’t just have likes and dislikes as if they dropped in our laps. They are causa sui. What I mean is, when information enters a person’s biology it becomes a part of his domain, or at any rate, of him. Insofar as a person is his biology, he literally controls what the information does from the moment it contacts his senses. Ironically, he couldn’t do otherwise.

    It would be a mistake to call this control a conscious choice, but nonetheless, the self manipulates the outcome—not as a little homunculus making decisions and pulling levers, but as nothing more or less than the entire, physical organism controlling every process within its being. Even the seemingly automatic and “subconscious” processes such as the heartbeat can be found to be determined in a similar manner. They are willed, and freely, by one thing in the universe and nothing besides.

    Obviously I’m equating will, body, person and self, but only because I believe they are one and the same. I think the sooner we come to admit this the better.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    NYC elections board says nearly 100,000 Brooklyn voters received wrong ballot return envelopes

    A misprint by a third-party vendor caused nearly 100,000 Brooklyn voters to receive absentee ballot return envelopes with the wrong address and names printed on them, the New York City Board of Elections said, and voters will be sent new ballots.

    In New York, absentee voters must place their completed absentee ballots into a return envelope, known as an "oath" envelope, that includes the voter's name, address and voter ID. The oath envelope is then placed inside a second envelope to be returned to local election officials.

    Voters affected by the recent error instead received an oath envelope with the personal information of another voter, raising questions about whether the ballots would be counted in the fall election. The incident comes amid widespread discussion -- and frequent misinformation -- about the security of mail-in voting.

    Sounds familiar to the case in California earlier this year.

    California rejected 100,000 mail-in ballots because of mistakes

    According to polling, almost twice as many Biden supporters as Trump supporters say they’ll vote by mail this year. Over 500,000 mail-in votes have been rejected this year, far outpacing 2016. Perhaps this is why Democrats have pivoted away from championing mail-in voting.
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    It doesn’t settle it because “the IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.”

    But given that the Steele dossier was largely sourced from suspected Russian spies, and payed for by the Clinton campaign, it appears that any “Russian collusion” to dig up dirt on an opponent was a Democrat affair.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    An amazing letter containing declassified information was released yesterday regarding intel into the Trump/Russia saga.

    • In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S . Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.

    • According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the "alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services."

    • On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Corney and Deputy Assistant Director o f Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding "U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S . elections as a means o f distracting the public from her use o f a private mail server."

    Document

    A lot of huffing about Trump on social media today, especially regarding his so-called refusal to condemn white supremacists. Though Trump has already condemned white supremacists, Wallace and Biden pushed the canard that Trump must continue to do so for some reason, even if a high profile white supremacist such as Richard Spencer threw his vote behind Biden. Wallace’s loaded questions and distortions favored Biden.
  • Can this post refer to itself?
    Is this post referring to itself?

    Only a human can refer to itself. The post is not human. Therefor, no.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    You can, a black guy in Milwaukee admits that he was deterred from voting by a fake anti Clinton add in the report.

    Now we know where the real fake news was.

    Was the ad standing in the way of the voting booth or something?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump’s consistent pissing on the political theater is something I love about him, but he interrupted too much. Biden won in my estimation. Chris Wallace was his shill.
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    So, why do it then?

    Why campaign on facebook? Ask the winner of the last election.
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    Deter (verb): to discourage or restrain from acting or proceeding:
    Example Sentence: Trump campaign strategy to deter millions of Black Americans from voting in 2016

    Your mistake indeed.

    I guess the civil rights groups who said this was voter suppression made the same mistake. Nonetheless, one cannot deter someone from voting, or suppress a vote, by showing anti-Clinton ads on Facebook.
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    My mistake. I thought “deterring people from voting” meant “voter suppression”. It does mean that in regular parlance but perhaps not in your world.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    @Maw believes you can suppress a vote with Facebook ads, confusing voter suppression with political campaigning.
  • Amy Coney Barrett's nomination


    There's reason to hope she will quickly evolve from the error of such ways. After all, the constitution itself has, and was designed to.

    Perhaps that’s true. We cannot know until we read her SC opinions, but she herself claims to be an originalist.
  • Amy Coney Barrett's nomination
    Amy Coney Barrett is a so-called “originalist”, meaning she adheres to the original text of the constitution rather than some modern interpretation of it. We can assume she’ll be more like Clarence Thomas than her predecessor.
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    Our resident lawyer will believe anything so long as it conforms to his preconceived worldview. If you want to take advice from a commie go read Zizek.
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    It’s not a news report. But you’d know that if you watched it.
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    The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue)[1] is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a claim is ignored in favor of attacking or championing its source.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    New Project Veritas video, this time about ballot harvesting in Ilhan Omar’s district. Rigged elections.

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    30+ investigations, an impeachment, the most scrutinized man in modern history. And this is all we’ve found? At what point does this become political persecution?
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    We’ve learned he has great accountants.

    We’ve also learned that they couldn’t drum up any evidence of ties to Russia or paying off stormy Daniels.

    Nothing-burger so far, though they promise more stories.
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    So better to not point out that there are white victims too? Is even mentioning that some kind of dog whistle?

    Just as someone even referring to colorblindness is a racist? Yes, some racist can use the phrases. But what is wrong in trying to judge people as individuals and never judge as groups of people by race, nationality etc?

    I think the only thing wrong is that the very notion of justice threatens their collectivist project, that “treating equals equally and unequals unequally” renders guilt and innocence by association completely useless. That groups are composed of individuals makes collectivism founded on a base of shifting sands.
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    Good to see the GOP spending their time upon what's most important right now...

    Nevermind eliminating and/or at least easing all of the economic, emotional, and physical injury to everyday Americans as a result of the pandemic, which was not at all a result of anything that the average citizen has done, but is most certainly the result of government.

    That is certainly true of government. Except it is state, local and tribal governments that set their own health policies. The federal government is limited in its ability to mandate a centralized action plan by design. So if we are to blame governments and politicians, let’s be sure we blame the correct ones.
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    Amy coney Barrett has been confirmed as the SCOTUS nominee.
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    Well that certainly proves you read right-wing trash. Not that there was doubt.

    My mistake. The university cites the killing of George Floyd in the same statement regarding the renaming to George square. I made a false connection.
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    Well, I'm a Finn, so I shouldn't care either.

    Unfortunately Europeans will start mimicking the trends from the US, the good ones and the bad ones, because I guess there isn't anything else to do. What I'm worried that your shit show of politics will come to be my shit show of politics later.

    Cultural imperialism. While they openly hate America and incite anti-Americanism they gobble its most ridiculous ideologies. The read that a university in Scotland renamed the David Hume building to George Floyd.
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    Like I said, I disagree with all of your spin. I don’t think any of it is true, just like your statement that Trump has never said anything about the plight of “African Americans”, where you had to keep pushing the mental goalposts to make room for your ignorance.

    As for some more news:

    President Trump’s plan for Black America designates the KKK and Antifa as terrorist organizations and calls for making lynching a national hate crime, while pledging to increase access to capital in Black communities by nearly $500 billion, Fox News has learned

    Trump $500B Black America plan designates KKK, Antifa as 'terrorist organizations'

    “Both wear masks and both burn black businesses”. So good.
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    I think it’s safe to say that if right-wing mobs were parading through cities looting and burning we’d have a national discussion on the topic. Until then...
  • Does systemic racism exist in the US?


    Leaked memos reveal a murder victim was found in the trunk of Breona Taylor’s rental car back in 2016. I suspect some cops leaked it to discredit the victim. How does this factor into the narrative, if at all? Will they say his name?
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    Trump's actual language regarding the movement for racial justice reform in the United States is chock full of statements, none of which offer support, or even acknowledge that there is a problem with racial injustice and/or systemic racism in America. There has never been a single statement out of Trump's mouth that honors the movement, honors the plight of black Americans, and/or acknowledges the injury black Americans have sustained throughout American history at the hands of racist beliefs and practices.

    Not one!

    “Despite suffering the horrors of slavery and all that flowed from this inexcusable and cruel act against humanity, African Americans have been instrumental in building and bolstering our great Nation.

    From enrichening our culture and enhancing our American identity to strengthening our economy and safeguarding our cherished freedoms, the remarkable courage and steadfast resolve of African Americans define the American spirit.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-154th-anniversary-ratification-13th-amendment/

    “ And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-trump/

    “ National African American History Month is an occasion to rediscover the enduring stories of African Americans and the gifts of freedom, purpose, and opportunity they have bestowed on future generations. It is also a time to commemorate the countless contributions of African Americans, many of whom lived through and surmounted the scourge of segregation, racial prejudice, and discrimination to enrich every fiber of American life. Their examples of heroism, patriotism, and enterprise have given people of all backgrounds confidence, courage, and faith to pursue their own dreams.”

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-national-african-american-history-month-2019/
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    Assuming what you say here is true(that's probably a stretch, but for the sake of argument), sure those are the actions of a racist president. A racist president today cannot publicly admit it(yet), but will instead claim to support the black community in their fight for racial justice reform in public spaces while simultaneously doing all of the things I mentioned above. Which leads us back to that...

    I offered nine different paragraphs setting out Trump's behaviour and the only reasonable conclusion drawn from what he has actually done. You neglected to directly address any of them, in lieu of proposing a defense for three charges that I did not make. Which paragraph, if any, are you claiming is not true?

    Your spin is not true, or at least born of fantasy. You could name a single racist policy, racist belief, act of racial discrimination, and we could examine whether that is true. I’ll let you cherry pick all you want.
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    You put a lot of effort into your post, but none of it proves to me Trump holds racist beliefs or racially discriminated against others. Worse, it suppresses the evidence in favor of the smear.

    No policy of Trump’s discriminates against one race or another. In fact, his policies, his proclamations, his speeches are explicitly pro-“African American”. Simply search for the phrase “African American” in his speeches, proclamations, policy announcements, and it’s nothing but praise and support. One can do the same with the term “racism” and find nothing but anti-racist sentiment. Exactly zero of his rhetoric expresses anti-black sentiment.

    There is no evidence Trump has ever equated criminals, rioters, agitators and anarchists with black people. These criminals are of many races. It is in fact yourself who makes that connection, pretending that when Trump criticizes violent activity, looting and rioting, he is speaking about a race of people.

    He has condemned white supremacist groups.

    He has defended all statues, including the statues of the first African American regiment, abolitionists, and Frederick Douglass. He wants MLK, Harriot Tubman, Booker T Washington, Frederick Douglass, Jackie Robinson in his “heroes park”.

    He won the Bipartisan Justice Award for justice reform.

    His support and funding for HBCUs is more than the last administration could muster.

    He has had many roundtables with “black leaders” and black supporters.

    These are the actions of a racist president? Or have we left reality?