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  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    Yeah the crosshairs were a part of a logo.

    Screen-Shot-2019-02-18-at-5.01.49-PM.png

    Sorry, only an idiot would claim this is a threat. But the judge was swayed by the beltway intelligentsia to believe otherwise.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    Even if it were an “unjust fishing expedition” - which it wasn’t as determined by the IG after his investigation - that’s no excuse for lying to the FBI and threatening witnesses.

    And the proper recourse for other guilty people getting away with it is to push for more prosecutions, not to pardon those who have been prosecuted and found guilty.

    If you pardon everyone then everyone will just keep doing it.

    Found guilty by a jury with a foreman who displayed bias, and sentenced by a judge with a personal vendetta against Stone. He shared a picture of her on Instagram saying she was an Obama-appointed judge, and she accused him of threatening her and the court. It’s obscene. An appeal will be forthcoming but I hope a pardon comes first.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    Why? He’s guilty. And it’s less than the recommended sentence anyway.

    That’s a long time for impeding an unjust fishing expedition for which there was no underlying crime, especially for a first-time offender. It’s just difficult for me to watch people like Stone get rail-roaded while people like McCabe, Brennan and Comey get MSNBC contracts and book deals. Then again the swamp protects its own.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    3 years 4 months for Stone. What a travesty. Trump should pardon immediately.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Michael


    I have no clue what’s going on with Rohrabacher. But it’s an interesting development. Assange has repeatedly said that the Russian government did not give him the emails, and then he was silenced and thrown into solitary. It’s a tragedy what has happened to him and we should all be ashamed.
  • Should we consider a simulated cell to be alive or not?
    ↪Zelebg


    Simulated and alive.

    It sounds like a contradiction in terms.
  • Should we consider a simulated cell to be alive or not?
    ↪Zelebg


    Should we consider a simulated cell to be alive or not? I say it is alive in relation to its simulated environment, but if it could interact with the actual world then it would also be alive as any other actual living cell.

    If the environment is simulated then anything inside would necessarily be simulated.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪tim wood


    You're right, I was wrong. He has released now three - the only good things I know of that he has done. Indeed his predecessors should have done. So many more to do, yes?

    To be fair to you, Tim, I don’t think Trump is walking through prisons in search of injustices. As far as I can tell people petition for their loved one’s release. To get to Trump’s ear would be a difficult task for anyone without the voice and perhaps even the recognition to do so. So I fear you a right in a sense, though his First Step Act is a step in the right direction, much to the chagrin of many of his republican allies.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Possibly big news.

    Read with caution (note the ellipses:

    Fitzgerald said a statement produced by Assange’s personal lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, included a description of “Mr Rohrabacher going to see Mr Assange and saying, on instructions from the president, he was offering a pardon or some other way out, if Mr Assange... said Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.”

    Trump Offered Assange Pardon if He Covered Up Russian Hack, WikiLeaks Founder’s Lawyer Claims
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    This is gold. Reminds me of Tim’s post above.


    Identitarians are the worst and are deserving of ridicule.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪tim wood


    2 of the 11 were black women, Tim, one of whom was arrested for drug offences. Another person arrested for drugs was Crystal Munoz, a Latino. These are not his rich friends, but friends of Alice Johnson, a black drug offender. Trump commuted her life sentence back in 2018.

  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    It looks like CNN is having another meltdown, this time over Trump’s pardoning spree.

    Trump's pardon spree deepens crisis gripping American justice
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    A DOJ spokeswoman denies the rumor.


    Imagine an attorney general quitting over tweets? Honestly it sounds like projection from an anti-Trump journalist.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    A “source” says AG Bill Barr is considering quitting.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-02-18/ap-source-barr-tells-people-he-might-quit-over-trump-tweets

    Fake news or leaker trap.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump riffing on current events.

  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    ↪Pfhorrest


    Hey thanks. Makes sense.
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    ↪Pfhorrest


    Any idea what the “no one” means? I cannot wrap my head around it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    That’s fair. But then again I don’t trust any news.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    Have I ever attacked your source? No. Meanwhile you spend energy policing the bias of the source without being able to refute what was written.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue)[1] is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a claim is ignored in favor of attacking or championing its source.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    It looks like Bloomberg’s vast wealth and propaganda is paying off. He has moved up enough to qualify for the next debate and is surging in the polls.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/bloomberg-qualifies-democratic-debate-nevada/index.html

    Both Bloomberg and Sanders enjoy the support of 22 percent of respondents who are likely to participate in the Democratic primary, according to a Monmouth University poll released on Tuesday. Eighteen percent of likely Democratic primary voters polled said they support Biden, the longtime Democratic frontrunner whose standing has slipped after poor performances in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire’s primary.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/18/bloomberr-sanders-biden-top-virginia-primary-115743
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Benkei


    What about it? It's totally irrelevant Obama was smarter then Trump is. Doesn't make Trump honest, he's still corrupt.

    I just thought it was an interesting story.

    Smart or not, all Obama could do was talk and write speeches. Not very impressive if you ask me.

    Trump has been accused of abusing his office and Barr has been asked to resign because opponents allege Trump is influencing Barr. I’m not sure of the veracity of Dershowitz’s claims, but imagine if a foreign billionaire was asking Trump to use the DOJ to investigate someone. It would be explosive and impeachments would immediately commence.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Dershowitz claims to have proof Obama asked FBI to investigate 'somebody on behalf of George Soros'

    “I have some information as well about the Obama administration, which will be disclosed in a lawsuit at some point, but I'm not prepared to disclose it now, about how President Obama personally asked the FBI to investigate somebody on behalf of George Soros, who was a close ally of his," he continued, without naming a specific target.

    Dershowitz added, "We've seen this kind of White House influence on the Justice Department virtually in every Justice Department. The difference is this president is much more overt about it. He tweets about it. President Obama whispered to the Justice Department about it. And, I don't think these 1,000 former Justice Department officials would pass the shoe-on-the-other-foot test. Maybe some of them would, but a good many of them wouldn't."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dershowitz-claims-to-have-proof-obama-asked-fbi-to-investigate-somebody-on-behalf-of-george-soros

    Dershowitz has gone full Trumpian.
  • Secular morality
    ↪ChatteringMonkey


    I prefer the notion of a genealogy of morals, that our morality develops over a long period of time through a process of trial and error. The wisdom of generations can better attest to the merits and faults of a particular ethics better than any number of philosophers or theologians or gods.

    It’s a shame that primitive peoples injected supernatural decrees declaring this or that right and wrong, because such a flimsy metaphysics was doomed to bring doubt on the entire enterprise. Nonetheless those moralities still persist in our cultures and habits and will continue to do so long after we’ve passed. And who knows? Maybe in a distant future the genealogy will converge into one ethics with which everyone can agree.
  • Religious discussion is misplaced on a philosophy forum...
    Today, philosophy of religion is one of the most vibrant areas of philosophy. Articles in philosophy of religion appear in virtually all the main philosophical journals, while some journals (such as the International Journal for Philosophy of Religion, Religious Studies, Sophia, Faith and Philosophy, and others) are dedicated especially to philosophy of religion.

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philosophy-religion/
  • The Road to 2020 - American Elections
    ↪Xtrix


    The only things private ownership has power over is its own property. They cannot force or otherwise coerce the government to do what they wish. They cannot force their employees to work for them. They cannot force you to purchase their products or services.

    The government, on the other hand, can take from you what they wish, and enslave you, steal from you and kill you if you refuse to comply.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    Your evidence is...what exactly?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    Fake news?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-african-americans-girlfriend-charlottesville.html
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    Now I get to watch as you scurry off to find anything that confirms your biases.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    "...went further" because the facts you found failed to confirm your bias.

    Because I’m not as credulous as you. Would a racist endorse Jessie Jackson’s presidential campaign twice? Would a racist date a half-black woman? The man has done business with more races, more nationalities and more people of different backgrounds than you or I could ever imagine. You guys have promoted a fiction and elevated that fiction to truth.

    These lies and the subsequent free press given to people like David Duke, the KKK and other white nationalists have directly contributed to any rise in the far-Right.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    I’ve read the same well-documented nonsense you have. But then I went further. You’re stacking the deck without telling the other side of the story.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    There is nothing wrong with speculating. But the notion that Trump is racist is an alternative fact, an anti-Trump smear that has been bandied around for quite some time, so much so that people have feared coming race wars and a Hitlerian future. These lies are going to get people killed.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Trump’s dad was KKK.

    Is this true or false? What news taught you this?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    No, you have smears and propaganda.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/28/facebook-posts/heres-whats-known-about-fred-trumps-arrest-after-k/
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Trump’s dad was KKK.

    Yeah, I doubt it.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    The KKK and Nazis are terrorist organizations.

    They have been marching and rallying for decades, as is their right. They were used as a bogeyman to smear Trump.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪ZzzoneiroCosm


    KKK and Neo-nazis have been marching for decades and decades, as is their fundamental right. It was the media, not Trump, who gave them the free press and your fears.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Relativist


    Geez - Genetic fallacy upon genetic fallacy. A "Soros stooge" (whatever that refers to) is wrong because she's a "Soros stooge", not because something she says is irrational or false. And since she writes for a magazine called "The Globalist", she obviously has some false beliefs about the world, and therefore she's wrong.

    Thanks for providing another example of how to think irrationally.

    Oh dear. No genetic fallacy. Just pointing out she’s a globalist.

    Yes, but I'd like to think that people participating on a philosophy forum would value critical thinking, so I think its appropriate to call out clear irrationality.

    Am I being irrational to do so?

    But when you do it wrong, you’re being irrational, so naturally you go seek validation.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    That tells me all I need to know about you, and I suspect @Nobeernolife is the same as you.

    What does it tell you?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    ↪Nobeernolife


    One of the people who testified against Trump, Fiona Hill, a Soros stooge, writes for an online magazine called “The Globalist”. You can’t make this stuff up.

    https://www.theglobalist.com/contributors/fiona-hill/
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